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Ronnie Stanton
2007-02-16 07:33:36 UTC
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As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
veritas
2007-02-16 07:45:53 UTC
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Ask the person who told you, why he thinks they are "a bucket of bolts".
Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
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Clockmeister
2007-02-16 08:59:48 UTC
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Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
One of the guys from work had a Cherokee that he bought 2nd hand with low
km's on it and it was forever giving him grief.

Apparantly is was quite a capable 4x4 when it was going though. Dunno if his
trouble was the norm or he just got unlucky.
Ron
2007-02-16 10:10:47 UTC
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Post by Clockmeister
Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or
Cherokees. I have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
One of the guys from work had a Cherokee that he bought 2nd hand with
low km's on it and it was forever giving him grief.
Apparantly is was quite a capable 4x4 when it was going though. Dunno
if his trouble was the norm or he just got unlucky.
Not uncommon, they have a reputation similar to "Noddy's" thoughts on
Jaguar :-)

Iv'e heard of more unhappy owners, compared to happy ones.
Most problems appear to be "falling to bits".
However, the OLD V8, big, thirsty, Cherokee's appear to be very tough and
reliable.

Ron
Noddy
2007-02-16 12:06:07 UTC
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Post by Ron
Not uncommon, they have a reputation similar to "Noddy's" thoughts on
Jaguar :-)
No, not like Jaguar Ronald. Jeeps are built to "rough it" *on purpose* :)
Post by Ron
Iv'e heard of more unhappy owners, compared to happy ones.
Yeah, but you think Jags are a good car, so what the fuck would you know? :)
Post by Ron
Most problems appear to be "falling to bits".
Biggest problem I've ever heard about with Jeeps, and mainly early model
Cheorkees, is front axle issues, and that's largely on American models. If
you look at any of the Jeep forums (and not that I do much as the thing is
just a tow vehicle to me and I have no real interest in "group activities"),
you'll see a few posts a year with some issues with the front differential.

Athol actually mentioned this some time ago, and up until he did I'd never
seen mention of it anywhere. I have since then, but in maybe half a dozen
posts.

I can only comment on my own experiences with any degree of accuracy, and as
I mentioned mine has been very good. It had a water pump fail at 140k km's,
which cost 68 bucks & an hour of my time to change, but in 40k km's since
then it hasn't so much as blown a globe. It had new tyres put on it when I
bought it, and after 50k km's they *just* got rotated last week-end, and
still look new :)

My friend wwith the older model hasn't had any drama's that I'm aware of
either, and it was his recomendation that got me thinking about them in the
fist place.
Post by Ron
However, the OLD V8, big, thirsty, Cherokee's appear to be very tough and
reliable.
You mean like the '70's "Cherokee Chief" models?

Now, *they* were rough, and they rusted almost as quickly as an Alfa :)

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Noddy.
Ron
2007-02-16 21:02:00 UTC
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Post by Ron
Post by Clockmeister
Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or
Cherokees. I have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
One of the guys from work had a Cherokee that he bought 2nd hand with
low km's on it and it was forever giving him grief.
Apparantly is was quite a capable 4x4 when it was going though. Dunno
if his trouble was the norm or he just got unlucky.
Not uncommon, they have a reputation similar to "Noddy's" thoughts on
Jaguar :-)
Iv'e heard of more unhappy owners, compared to happy ones.
Most problems appear to be "falling to bits".
However, the OLD V8, big, thirsty, Cherokee's appear to be very tough
and reliable.
Ron
Update, have a look at: http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Jeep_Cherokee.html

You will find some interesting reports :-)

Ron
Scotty
2007-02-16 09:02:44 UTC
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Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
Go hire one for a week and drive it HEAPS, that would give you your best
idea.

I've heard that the only Jeep to buy is a Wrangler and to stay clear of
Cherokees but Noddy will tell you other wise.

I hired a Wrangler 4.0 High output model a while ago and the fuel
consumption was atrocious. It was however a brand new car so I cant give
accurate measurements for fuel use.
Kev
2007-02-16 10:09:51 UTC
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Post by Scotty
Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
Go hire one for a week and drive it HEAPS, that would give you your best
idea.
I've heard that the only Jeep to buy is a Wrangler and to stay clear of
Cherokees but Noddy will tell you other wise.
I hired a Wrangler 4.0 High output model a while ago and the fuel
consumption was atrocious. It was however a brand new car so I cant give
accurate measurements for fuel use.
The problem with the Wrangler is the low ground clearence with the
standard tyres, especially at the rear, the fuel tank hangs down quite
low, almost lower than the diff and on the beach it drags it's arse all
the way through soft sand, shit fuel economy is their worst trait

a set of lifted springs and larger tyres will fix the clearence but not
much will fix the fuel economy


Kev
Noddy
2007-02-16 12:08:17 UTC
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Post by Kev
a set of lifted springs and larger tyres will fix the clearence but not
much will fix the fuel economy
You've got me genuinely interested here. What kind of economy do they have?

Considering that my Cherokee is slightly heavier than a Wrangler and gets
12l/100km all day long, I'm curious as to what's so bad about the Wrangler.

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Noddy.
Kev
2007-02-17 05:42:17 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Kev
a set of lifted springs and larger tyres will fix the clearence but not
much will fix the fuel economy
You've got me genuinely interested here. What kind of economy do they have?
Considering that my Cherokee is slightly heavier than a Wrangler and gets
12l/100km all day long, I'm curious as to what's so bad about the Wrangler.
The couple who owned it got rid of it due to the amount of fuel it used
and bought a petrol Hilux.

it was a manual as well

Kev
Noddy
2007-02-16 11:55:28 UTC
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Post by Scotty
I've heard that the only Jeep to buy is a Wrangler and to stay clear of
Cherokees but Noddy will tell you other wise.
The Wrangler and Cherokee use exactly the same mechanicals, so any "issues"
affecting one would be common across the range.

The Wrangler is a pretty rough vehicle in terms of build quality. They're
basically a rough "bush tub" with crap fitting panels & parts, and pretty
cheap & nasty features. They are, however, a pretty competant off road
vehicle apparently, with nothing lese like them around.
Post by Scotty
I hired a Wrangler 4.0 High output model a while ago and the fuel
consumption was atrocious. It was however a brand new car so I cant give
accurate measurements for fuel use.
I can only comment on my own, and that of a bloke I know who owns the same
model (albeit a couple of years earlier), and his fuel economy is quite
exceptional like mine is.

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Noddy.
D Walford
2007-02-16 22:21:31 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Scotty
I've heard that the only Jeep to buy is a Wrangler and to stay clear of
Cherokees but Noddy will tell you other wise.
The Wrangler and Cherokee use exactly the same mechanicals, so any "issues"
affecting one would be common across the range.
The Wrangler is a pretty rough vehicle in terms of build quality. They're
basically a rough "bush tub" with crap fitting panels & parts, and pretty
cheap & nasty features. They are, however, a pretty competant off road
vehicle apparently, with nothing lese like them around.
Post by Scotty
I hired a Wrangler 4.0 High output model a while ago and the fuel
consumption was atrocious. It was however a brand new car so I cant give
accurate measurements for fuel use.
I can only comment on my own, and that of a bloke I know who owns the same
model (albeit a couple of years earlier), and his fuel economy is quite
exceptional like mine is.
High fuel consumption is a known problem so you must have got lucky, a
mate owned one similar to yours and whilst he would agree it was a great
tow vehicle (better than his Patrol) its fuel consumption was the main
reason for him getting rid of it.
My Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klm and it spends about 50% of its time at
highway speeds so its not exactly cheap to run either.


Daryl
Noddy
2007-02-16 23:26:18 UTC
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Post by D Walford
High fuel consumption is a known problem so you must have got lucky, a
mate owned one similar to yours and whilst he would agree it was a great
tow vehicle (better than his Patrol) its fuel consumption was the main
reason for him getting rid of it.
The odd thing is though that the only other person I know with one has
exactly the same vehicle, which isn't on gas, and it gets around the same
mileage as mine does on petrol.

Perhaps it's just me, but 12 *litres* per 100 *kilometers* isn't bad to me.
My old ZL Fairlane, which I had for 15 years and had roughly the same
mechanical package (apart from the 4wd of course) used to average in the
16's.
Post by D Walford
My Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klm and it spends about 50% of its time at
highway speeds so its not exactly cheap to run either.
I think that kind of mileage for a vehicle of it's type is pretty good.

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Noddy.
Ron
2007-02-17 00:02:18 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by D Walford
High fuel consumption is a known problem so you must have got lucky,
a mate owned one similar to yours and whilst he would agree it was a
great tow vehicle (better than his Patrol) its fuel consumption was
the main reason for him getting rid of it.
The odd thing is though that the only other person I know with one has
exactly the same vehicle, which isn't on gas, and it gets around the
same mileage as mine does on petrol.
Perhaps it's just me, but 12 *litres* per 100 *kilometers* isn't bad
to me. My old ZL Fairlane, which I had for 15 years and had roughly
the same mechanical package (apart from the 4wd of course) used to
average in the 16's.
Christ! You owned a ZL Fairlane, then have a hide to have a go at me!!
I'll bet you had an EA as well... LOL :-)

No wonder you bought a Jeep!
Noddy
2007-02-17 01:13:36 UTC
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Post by Ron
Christ! You owned a ZL Fairlane, then have a hide to have a go at me!!
ZL Fairlanes might not be much of a car these days, but 20 years ago they
were okay.

Reliable as all fuck. Unlike *any* Jaguar :)
Post by Ron
I'll bet you had an EA as well... LOL :-)
I'll bet you I didn't :)

I had an NA Fairlane for a short while a few years ago that I bought cheap
and sold a couple of months later and nearly trippled my money, but that's
all I ever bought it for.
Post by Ron
No wonder you bought a Jeep!
No wonder you're such a clueless cunt Ronald :)

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Noddy.
g
2007-02-18 13:32:25 UTC
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Post by Noddy
ZL Fairlanes might not be much of a car these days, but 20 years ago they
were okay.
Are you kidding? 20 years ago they were awesome! Long live the almighty XF
Ghia and ZL Fairlane/LTD! The last of the great "Aussie luxos", IMO.

g
Noddy
2007-02-18 12:57:39 UTC
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Post by g
Are you kidding? 20 years ago they were awesome! Long live the almighty XF
Ghia and ZL Fairlane/LTD! The last of the great "Aussie luxos", IMO.
Yeah, like I said, they were okay :)

I've long since unloaded my ZL, but I've got an XF ute today that I use as
nothing more than a motorised wheelbarrow, and despite being in good nick
it's a total pig to drive compared to anything built in the last ten years.

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Noddy.
Kev
2007-02-18 15:18:27 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by g
Are you kidding? 20 years ago they were awesome! Long live the almighty XF
Ghia and ZL Fairlane/LTD! The last of the great "Aussie luxos", IMO.
Yeah, like I said, they were okay :)
I've long since unloaded my ZL, but I've got an XF ute today that I use as
nothing more than a motorised wheelbarrow, and despite being in good nick
it's a total pig to drive compared to anything built in the last ten years.
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Noddy.
I know the ZL and XF Ghia where much sort after bogan cars for a while
Cos they had green numbers instead of dials

and a lot of XF bits fitted the XE(well duh)
so I had XF cruise control, XF mirrors, XF door trims, XF rear
numberplate cowling and a larger valve XF head with the XF exhaust
manifold(older types cracked between the front and read 3 ports)on the
engine
the interior was also an XF colour(charcoal grey) due to my XE being a
June 84 build and the XF coming out in July 84


Kev
D Walford
2007-02-17 03:36:38 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by D Walford
High fuel consumption is a known problem so you must have got lucky, a
mate owned one similar to yours and whilst he would agree it was a great
tow vehicle (better than his Patrol) its fuel consumption was the main
reason for him getting rid of it.
The odd thing is though that the only other person I know with one has
exactly the same vehicle, which isn't on gas, and it gets around the same
mileage as mine does on petrol.
I don't know what mileage he got but he complained about it often enough.
He would have to the worst driver as far as economy goes that I know,
he's the sort of driver who mostly takes off using full throttle and
he's just as hard on brakes because he's a last second braker so his
driving style doesn't return good economy.
He drives the 4.5lt petrol Patrol the same way but it still uses less
fuel than the Jeep, he converted the Patrol to gas from new so at least
he doesn't pay as much for fuel.
When he first got the Patrol on gas he said the cost saving on fuel per
month was enough to buy his wife a new Maxima, she got the Maxima so
maybe it was true:-)
Post by Noddy
Perhaps it's just me, but 12 *litres* per 100 *kilometers* isn't bad to me.
My old ZL Fairlane, which I had for 15 years and had roughly the same
mechanical package (apart from the 4wd of course) used to average in the
16's.
Post by D Walford
My Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klm and it spends about 50% of its time at
highway speeds so its not exactly cheap to run either.
I think that kind of mileage for a vehicle of it's type is pretty good.
I don't often drive with economy in mind so it isn't too bad and seeing
how its owned by my business its tax deductible anyway so who cares:-)



Daryl
Scotty
2007-02-16 23:02:34 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Scotty
I've heard that the only Jeep to buy is a Wrangler and to stay clear of
Cherokees but Noddy will tell you other wise.
The Wrangler and Cherokee use exactly the same mechanicals, so any
"issues" affecting one would be common across the range.
The Wrangler is a pretty rough vehicle in terms of build quality. They're
basically a rough "bush tub" with crap fitting panels & parts, and pretty
cheap & nasty features. They are, however, a pretty competant off road
vehicle apparently, with nothing lese like them around.
Post by Scotty
I hired a Wrangler 4.0 High output model a while ago and the fuel
consumption was atrocious. It was however a brand new car so I cant give
accurate measurements for fuel use.
I can only comment on my own, and that of a bloke I know who owns the same
model (albeit a couple of years earlier), and his fuel economy is quite
exceptional like mine is.
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Regards,
Noddy.
As I said that the one I hired was a brand new one, gutless and heavy on
fuel. I suspect that after a few thousand kms it wouldve perked up a tad.

I do know that when 4x4ing in rentals in Hawaii that a quick public car wash
is shit loads cheaper than taking it back dirty. (Lousey blody rental
companies)

Also that when stuck (I came across someone else who had got thier rental
4x4 stuck who tried to traverse a ditch at 90Deg, dickheads) the locals will
pull you free and help you out for a small fee (The guys that I saw were
charged $100US for thier stupidity! Which I later found out was cheap for
what most charge).
Noddy
2007-02-16 08:36:19 UTC
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Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
I've got a '99 XJ Cherokee Sport (the last of the "square" shaped
Cherokees), and in the 2 and a half years I've owned it it's been
outstanding, and probably one of the most hassle free vehicles I've ever
owned.

On the plus side it's far and away the *best* tow vehicle I've ever owed
without a doubt (and I've owned some pretty good ones), outstanding fuel
economy for a vehicle with all the aerodynamic ability of a bus shelter (it
averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town), it has *real* 4wd
ability if you want it without being a tank to drive (I've only ever used
low 4wd to pull tree stumps out with, but it does that *very* well :), and
they drive quite well indeed for what essentially is an F-100 style truck
with a full length roof. In fact, to drive they are very similar to a mid
'90's Falcon, with about the same performance. That might not be saying much
for the Falcon (or lots for the Jeep, take your pick), but they certainly
don't drive very "truck like". At under 1500kg in weight, they're certainly
quite nippy and agile.

The negatives aren't many for mine, but worth mentioning just the same.

They're not a large vehicle. The square shaped Cherokee is around the same
physical size as a Rav4, and the interior space is at somewhat of a premium.
They're certainly not cramped, but they're far from Land Cruiser style
large. The rear seat folding is very "1960's station wagon" style, in that
if you want to fold it down you have to lift the lower section up against
the rear of the front seats first. This isn't particularly difficult in any
way, and the lower rear seat bench comes out in a couple of seconds with the
flick of a lever if you was maximum space, but the rear seat belts have a
nasty habit of catching in the rear seat locks, or getting stuck behind the
seat once you've put it back up which is a pain.

Indicator & wiper controls are reversed from the Australian car norm (some
people find using their left hand to indicate to be a problem but it doesn't
bother me in the slightest), It's got a typical "dumbed down for Americans"
warning beeper that goes off to remind you of just about anything (which
annoys the crap out of me), The rear window wiper/washer switch is in the
worst possible place you could put it (being very low down in the centre of
the dash near the top of the console) and the 4wd selector lever is a *long*
way from the driver.

It's certainly reachable, but it's left in it's original left hand drive
location. I guess they figured that it's not a commonly used lever, so if
you have to lean over to get it big deal :)

Mechanically they're *very* good indeed.

They run a very old school pushrod operated single valve inline 6 cylinder
of cast iron head & block construction, they're *very* solid & reliable
engines. Mine's done 180 odd thousand km's now, and doesn't use an ounce of
oil between changes (or any other fluids for that matter), although it does
have a minor weep at the oil pump and one at the back of the transfer case.

Auto's are good also (manuals are for wimps anyway :), and of the two
different types of transfer case arrangements these things come with, the
"Selec-Trac" is the better one to have as it's less "soft roader" type with
a real low range. Air conditioners work well, they have a *sensational*
heater (best I've ever come across), their electrical systems are simply
brilliant, steering is very good for an old style steering box, and the
brakes are fair.

The brakes are the only real part I'm not overly crazy about. They're not
bad, and it certainly stops well, but the vehicles need 4 wheel disc brakes
in my opinion, or better assistance on the disc/drum models. The "sport"
models only had front discs with rear drums, while the "Limited" had 4 wheel
disc brakes and the difference is noticeable.

In all I've had an excellent experience with mine, and on lpg it averages
350km's for around 30 bucks worth of gas (at today's prices. It's still as
tight as a drum without a rattle or squeak to be heard, and almost everyone
who's been in it has been pleasantly surprised at how well they ride &
sprightly they are. Almost everyone who has no experience with them seems to
assume they because they look like a truck they have to perform like one,
but I can assure you that's *far* from the case.

If you're after this particular type of vehicle then I'm sure you wouldn't
be disappointed, but then again they're not everyone's cup of tea. As with
anything, a run down pig will cost you, and it pays to look around.

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Regards,
Noddy.
Diesel Damo
2007-02-16 09:17:11 UTC
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(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
the_dawggie
2007-02-16 11:26:14 UTC
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Post by Diesel Damo
(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
LOL!

Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km

Get into the biodiesel stuff, and me mates Smurf and
me 'lux run for next to feck all nothing $ wise.
Clockmeister
2007-02-16 11:39:50 UTC
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Post by the_dawggie
Post by Diesel Damo
(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
LOL!
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
the_dawggie
2007-02-16 11:43:18 UTC
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Post by Clockmeister
Post by the_dawggie
Post by Diesel Damo
(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
LOL!
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
Not when properly turboed.
Clockmeister
2007-02-16 22:06:22 UTC
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Post by the_dawggie
Post by Clockmeister
Post by the_dawggie
Post by Diesel Damo
(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
LOL!
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
Not when properly turboed.
So you get 10L/100km when it's properly turboed?
Noddy
2007-02-16 12:12:14 UTC
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Post by Clockmeister
Yeah, but they're gutless.
And that too :)

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Noddy.
D Walford
2007-02-16 22:14:39 UTC
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Post by Clockmeister
Post by the_dawggie
Post by Diesel Damo
(it averages a little over 12km's per 100 litres around town)
Yeah? That good? ;-)
LOL!
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
I'd rather "gutless" than a vehicle that uses 100lts to do 12klms:-)




Daryl
Noddy
2007-02-16 23:22:37 UTC
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Post by D Walford
I'd rather "gutless" than a vehicle that uses 100lts to do 12klms:-)
Alright smart cunts....

You *know* what I meant :)

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Noddy.
Diesel Damo
2007-02-17 04:11:45 UTC
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Post by Clockmeister
Post by the_dawggie
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
Mine is, Patrick's isn't.

I do get around 10L/100km even though I drive everywhere at WOT so as
not to hold anyone up (much).

The 308 1 tonner is a bit of a joke though. 20L/100km no matter how
gently you drive it and it pings if you don't use premium. I think
it's got problems.
the_dawggie
2007-02-17 08:06:38 UTC
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Post by Diesel Damo
Post by Clockmeister
Post by the_dawggie
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but they're gutless.
Mine is, Patrick's isn't.
I do get around 10L/100km even though I drive everywhere at WOT so as
not to hold anyone up (much).
They can use less than 10L/100km, mine has done under 9, can screech
up
the 7.5R16 tyres, weighs close to 1900 kg. Fuel doesn't cost when
running on
biodiesel either. Turbo chargers fitted to the ToyCo 3L (or many
diesel engines)
will actually improve fuel ecomony - not t'other way round.

So all you petrol folk ....

hi

the q you bought one was?
Noddy
2007-02-16 12:11:55 UTC
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Post by the_dawggie
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but you guys have to put up with the rattle & stink :)

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Noddy.
the_dawggie
2007-02-16 12:35:49 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by the_dawggie
Our 'luxen use around, or less than 10l/100km
Yeah, but you guys have to put up with the rattle & stink :)
The rattle (at idle) is relaxing, however the stink of traditional
OilCo diesel kinda sux, although been improved with low
sulphur. Biodiesel, kinda nice.
Noddy
2007-02-16 12:11:13 UTC
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Post by Diesel Damo
Yeah? That good? ;-)
It's better than what my EF Fairmont used to get around town, and that was
just a tad better off in the aerodynamic department :)

Worst I've ever had out of it was a bit over 12 and a half litres per
100km's, but that was pulling a tandem trailer from Bendigo to Melbourne
with a ZD Fairlane and two V8 engines on it.

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Noddy.
D Walford
2007-02-16 22:23:41 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Diesel Damo
Yeah? That good? ;-)
It's better than what my EF Fairmont used to get around town, and that was
just a tad better off in the aerodynamic department :)
Read your original post again Nod, you made a typo, 12klms for 100lts:-)


Daryl
Noddy
2007-02-16 23:26:56 UTC
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Read your original post again Nod, you made a typo, 12klms for 100lts:-)
Yeah, realised it this morning when my eyes were open :)

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2007-02-18 23:13:43 UTC
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Auto's are good also (manuals are for wimps anyway :),
Only to people with a mechanical hips. ;-)
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Noddy
2007-02-19 00:21:27 UTC
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Only to people with a mechanical hips. ;-)
Pah! :)

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David Z
2007-08-18 15:41:38 UTC
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Post by Ronnie Stanton
As a brand are Jeep's any good? I am looking at Wranglers or Cherokees. I
have heard they are 'a bucket of bolts'
I've got a '99 XJ Cherokee Sport (the last of the "square" shaped
Cherokees), and in the 2 and a half years I've owned it it's been
outstanding, and probably one of the most hassle free vehicles I've ever
owned.
On the plus side it's far and away the *best* tow vehicle I've ever owed
they drive quite well indeed for what essentially is an F-100 style truck
with a full length roof. In fact, to drive they are very similar to a mid
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of unibody
construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and other
trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Post by Noddy
bad, and it certainly stops well, but the vehicles need 4 wheel disc
brakes in my opinion, or better assistance on the disc/drum models. The
"sport" models only had front discs with rear drums, while the "Limited"
had 4 wheel disc brakes and the difference is noticeable.
Is it possible to convert a vehicle to use 4-wheel disc brakes? Can you
swap parts over from the model that has them, or is it more complicated than
that?
Noddy
2007-08-19 00:23:41 UTC
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Post by David Z
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of
unibody construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and
other trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Duh! :)
Post by David Z
Is it possible to convert a vehicle to use 4-wheel disc brakes? Can you
swap parts over from the model that has them, or is it more complicated
than that?
The Cherokee "Limited" has 4 wheel disc brakes while the "Sport" has
disc/drum, and the parts swap over fairly easily, however the thing doesn't
stop bad enough for me to be interested in doing the job.

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David Z
2007-08-20 05:25:55 UTC
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Post by David Z
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of
unibody construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and
other trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Duh! :)
So what on earth does it have in common with an F-series, pray tell??
Noddy
2007-08-20 07:44:35 UTC
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So what on earth does it have in common with an F-series, pray tell??
I never said it has anything in common with one, but that it's *like* one,
as in "looks like".

They're both square and ugly.

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David Z
2007-08-20 09:23:01 UTC
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Post by David Z
So what on earth does it have in common with an F-series, pray tell??
I never said it has anything in common with one, but that it's *like* one,
as in "looks like".
They're both square and ugly.
Well they're square and 'old school school' but that's a good thing. It
means a 20-year-old Cherokee doesn't look nearly as dated as many other
vehicles from the same era.
Noddy
2007-08-20 10:54:48 UTC
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Post by David Z
Well they're square and 'old school school' but that's a good thing. It
means a 20-year-old Cherokee doesn't look nearly as dated as many other
vehicles from the same era.
To be honest I couldn't really care less what it looks like. It does it's
job.

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2007-08-20 22:16:46 UTC
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Post by David Z
Well they're square and 'old school school' but that's a good thing. It
means a 20-year-old Cherokee doesn't look nearly as dated as many other
vehicles from the same era.
To be honest I couldn't really care less what it looks like. It does it's
job.
It needs a bloody small block v8 conversion. ;-)
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Noddy
2007-08-20 23:14:39 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
Well they're square and 'old school school' but that's a good thing. It
means a 20-year-old Cherokee doesn't look nearly as dated as many other
vehicles from the same era.
To be honest I couldn't really care less what it looks like. It does it's
job.
It needs a bloody small block v8 conversion. ;-)
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Noddy
2007-08-20 23:15:25 UTC
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It needs a bloody small block v8 conversion. ;-)
Every car does, but I've got enough to do without having to make my life
unnecessarily difficult :)

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Dan---
2007-08-21 02:55:11 UTC
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Post by Dan---
It needs a bloody small block v8 conversion. ;-)
Every car does, but I've got enough to do without having to make my life
unnecessarily difficult :)
No space in the garage huh? :-)
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Noddy
2007-08-21 03:01:26 UTC
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No space in the garage huh? :-)
ANd no time to be fucking with it either.

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DAvid
2007-08-28 02:24:53 UTC
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Post by Dan---
No space in the garage huh? :-)
ANd no time to be fucking with it either.
Does that include the Jeep?

DAVO
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Noddy
2007-08-28 02:58:38 UTC
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Does that include the Jeep?
Jeez you're funny.

Had a summons off your car's computer yet?

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John McKenzie
2007-08-28 06:59:17 UTC
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Post by DAvid
Does that include the Jeep?
Jeez you're funny.
Had a summons off your car's computer yet?
an AVO maybe (boom tish - pun geddit?)
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2007-08-28 02:26:28 UTC
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Post by Dan---
It needs a bloody small block v8 conversion. ;-)
Every car does, but I've got enough to do without having to make my life
unnecessarily difficult :)
A good place to start would be to try being nice in here instead of the
knowall fuckwit that you are. Only trying to help. :>)


DAVO
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Noddy
2007-08-28 03:01:10 UTC
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A good place to start would be to try being nice in here instead of the
knowall fuckwit that you are.
People don't expect me to be nice.
Post by DAvid
Only trying to help. :>)
Thanks, but I can fart any time I like.

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2007-08-28 07:00:38 UTC
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Post by DAvid
A good place to start would be to try being nice in here instead of the
knowall fuckwit that you are.
People don't expect me to be nice.
Don't expect, don't want.

has anyone called this bloke a cunt yet?
Post by Noddy
Thanks, but I can fart any time I like.
isn't codeine likely to constipate? or are you on oxycodone (in which
case, tell me where the pill bottles are and when you'll be out)
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2007-08-28 07:20:48 UTC
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Don't expect, don't want.
Pretty much.
Post by John McKenzie
has anyone called this bloke a cunt yet?
Many times, but he's too stupid for it to have any effect.

He thinks we *like* him, the poor silly rat of a thing :)
Post by John McKenzie
isn't codeine likely to constipate? or are you on oxycodone (in which
case, tell me where the pill bottles are and when you'll be out)
It does initially, but then when you get into long term use they're great
for producing gas in commercial quantities.

Oh, and the packets are in my bedside table. Top draw :)

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2007-08-28 13:33:13 UTC
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producing gas in commercial quantities.
Hahahahahaha. Must remember that one.
John McKenzie
2007-08-29 07:39:28 UTC
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Oh, and the packets are in my bedside table. Top draw :)
I'll give you a kiss on the cheek when I drop by to steal em while
you're sleeping.
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2007-08-29 07:44:57 UTC
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I'll give you a kiss on the cheek when I drop by to steal em while
you're sleeping.
I'd be insulted if you did anything less :)

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John Hudson
2007-08-29 07:50:47 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Oh, and the packets are in my bedside table. Top draw :)
I'll give you a kiss on the cheek when I drop by to steal em while
you're sleeping.
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Maybe he'll turn into a handsome prince :-).

huddo
Athol
2007-08-29 08:44:33 UTC
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Post by John McKenzie
Post by Noddy
Oh, and the packets are in my bedside table. Top draw :)
I'll give you a kiss on the cheek when I drop by to steal em while
you're sleeping.
Maybe he'll turn into a handsome prince :-).
ess. :-p

Or a frog. :-)
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unknown
2007-08-29 11:22:08 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Oh, and the packets are in my bedside table. Top draw :)
I'll give you a kiss on the cheek when I drop by to steal em while
you're sleeping.
Long as you don't teabag him , he would enjoy it all far to much.
Noddy
2007-08-29 12:02:13 UTC
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Long as you don't teabag him , he would enjoy it all far to much.
I wish you would keep our intimate little secrets to yourself.

How many double brandy's did it take to get the taste out of your mouth by
the way? :)

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DAvid
2007-08-28 02:28:08 UTC
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Post by David Z
Well they're square and 'old school school' but that's a good thing. It
means a 20-year-old Cherokee doesn't look nearly as dated as many other
vehicles from the same era.
To be honest I couldn't really care less what it looks like. It does it's
job.
Do you transport (only way to get it there) it up to Sydney to use in the
Mardi Gras with your Sydney A/L's? :>)

DAVO
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Noddy
2007-08-28 03:02:20 UTC
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Do you transport (only way to get it there) it up to Sydney to use in the
Mardi Gras with your Sydney A/L's? :>)
Why do you go on with this bullshit?

You *know* I do, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to bend you over, lift
your skirt and ram one up you.

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DAvid
2007-08-28 02:29:53 UTC
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Post by David Z
So what on earth does it have in common with an F-series, pray tell??
I never said it has anything in common with one, but that it's *like* one,
as in "looks like".
They're both square and ugly.
Well done (N)oddball, appears my training is putting some honesty into you.
Keep it up......and the honesty too. :>)

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Noddy
2007-08-28 03:06:06 UTC
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Well done (N)oddball, appears my training is putting some honesty into you.
LOL :) Watch out you don't break your arm in trying to pat yourself on the
back :)

Just for the record, I've never said the Jeep was an attractive vehicle, and
have been known to say I thought *all* of it's type were ugly long before
you ever showed up here :)
Post by DAvid
Keep it up......and the honesty too. :>)
Just to cue you in, honesty is the one thing I'm generally good at.

Where fuckwits like you have a problem with it is it often conflicts with
ideas of your own. That's fine by me, as it's a public forum and I'm happy
to let others decide who's right or not.

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DAvid
2007-08-28 02:31:54 UTC
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Post by David Z
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of
unibody construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and
other trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Duh! :)
Post by David Z
Is it possible to convert a vehicle to use 4-wheel disc brakes? Can you
swap parts over from the model that has them, or is it more complicated
than that?
The Cherokee "Limited" has 4 wheel disc brakes while the "Sport" has
disc/drum, and the parts swap over fairly easily, however the thing
doesn't stop bad enough for me to be interested in doing the job.
Fancy that...even the CR-V Sport has 4 wheel discs.

DAVO
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Noddy
2007-08-28 03:13:50 UTC
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Fancy that...even the CR-V Sport has 4 wheel discs.
Only from 2005 onwards. Prior to that they all had rear drums. Fuck knows
why they bothered, as the things barely make enough power to get a speeding
ticket.

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John McKenzie
2007-08-28 07:02:06 UTC
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Post by DAvid
Fancy that...even the CR-V Sport has 4 wheel discs.
Only from 2005 onwards. Prior to that they all had rear drums. Fuck knows
why they bothered, as the things barely make enough power to get a speeding
ticket.
probably because anyone who bought one wouldn't get the fact that drums
on the rear of them would make sfa difference, but wouldn't be as shiny,
er I mean as effective in rockcrawler comps.
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2007-08-28 07:22:38 UTC
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probably because anyone who bought one wouldn't get the fact that drums
on the rear of them would make sfa difference, but wouldn't be as shiny,
er I mean as effective in rockcrawler comps.
Lol :)

I can remember back in the days when I worked at a Honda dealership the
Honda staffers used to walk around wanking about how "hi tech" their cars
were and so superior to everything else on the market, and that was at a
time when the Civic was about the only car in it's class that still used
rear drums and carburetors :)

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David Z
2007-08-28 07:18:41 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of
unibody construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and
other trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Duh! :)
Post by David Z
Is it possible to convert a vehicle to use 4-wheel disc brakes? Can you
swap parts over from the model that has them, or is it more complicated
than that?
The Cherokee "Limited" has 4 wheel disc brakes while the "Sport" has
disc/drum, and the parts swap over fairly easily, however the thing
doesn't stop bad enough for me to be interested in doing the job.
Fancy that...even the CR-V Sport has 4 wheel discs.
CR-Vs had 4 wheel discs only from 2002 (2nd gen) onwards. All 1st gen CR-Vs
had rear drums, I had one so I know.
Daryl Walford
2007-08-28 07:40:15 UTC
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Post by DAvid
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
The Jeep Cherokee is *nothing* like an F-Series. The Cherokee is of
unibody construction, which is the complete opposite to the F-Series and
other trucks/pickups. That's the reason why it is so car-like to drive.
Duh! :)
Post by David Z
Is it possible to convert a vehicle to use 4-wheel disc brakes? Can you
swap parts over from the model that has them, or is it more complicated
than that?
The Cherokee "Limited" has 4 wheel disc brakes while the "Sport" has
disc/drum, and the parts swap over fairly easily, however the thing
doesn't stop bad enough for me to be interested in doing the job.
Fancy that...even the CR-V Sport has 4 wheel discs.
CR-Vs had 4 wheel discs only from 2002 (2nd gen) onwards. All 1st gen CR-Vs
had rear drums, I had one so I know.
And changing to rear discs makes SFA difference to braking performance
99% of the time.
The only advantage of rear discs is its easier to fit ABS etc.


Daryl
Noddy
2007-08-28 09:01:59 UTC
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CR-Vs had 4 wheel discs only from 2002 (2nd gen) onwards. All 1st gen
CR-Vs had rear drums, I had one so I know.
Would you *really* know the difference between a drum & a disc brake
assembly just by looking at it?

Incidentally, CR-V's had rear drums up to 2005. There's two of the cunt
heaps in my next door neighbors house that I service on a regular basis, a
2003 & a 2004 model, and both have rear drums.

I know, as I've relined the brakes on both of them.

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David Z
2007-08-28 09:27:13 UTC
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Post by David Z
CR-Vs had 4 wheel discs only from 2002 (2nd gen) onwards. All 1st gen
CR-Vs had rear drums, I had one so I know.
Would you *really* know the difference between a drum & a disc brake
assembly just by looking at it?
Incidentally, CR-V's had rear drums up to 2005. There's two of the cunt
heaps in my next door neighbors house that I service on a regular basis, a
2003 & a 2004 model, and both have rear drums.
I know, as I've relined the brakes on both of them.
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front brakes
are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you willing to
make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going to chicken out
again like you did when you were supposedly willing to bet that Mitsubishi
would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia by the end of 2006?).
Noddy
2007-08-28 09:57:12 UTC
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Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front
brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you
willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going to
chicken out again like you did when you were supposedly willing to bet
that Mitsubishi would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia by the
end of 2006?).
Lol :)

I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was that no one
was willing to take me up on it. They would have pocketed some cash if they
did.

As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for a long
time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the rego labels, and
both very certainly have drum brakes.

Next time I'm servicing the things I'll post some photo's for you, and then
you can suck my cock as an acceptable form of apology.

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David Z
2007-08-28 11:31:25 UTC
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Post by David Z
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front
brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you
willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going to
chicken out again like you did when you were supposedly willing to bet
that Mitsubishi would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia by the
end of 2006?).
Lol :)
I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was that no
one was willing to take me up on it. They would have pocketed some cash if
they did.
As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for a long
time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the rego labels, and
both very certainly have drum brakes.
Here's the official 2003 Honda CR-V brochure with specifications, taken
directly from the Honda Australia website:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/c5b3f2004600d293b68ebe823e4d2e7c/cr-v_brochure_oct03.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Loading Image...

The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit. If
you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave it.
Noddy
2007-08-28 11:42:24 UTC
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The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit. If
you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave it.
Cool.

As I said, next time I service them (or either one will do), I'll put some
photo's up.

I only accept cash. Where do you want to meet to hand it over?

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David Z
2007-08-28 11:55:55 UTC
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Post by David Z
The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit.
If you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave
it.
Cool.
As I said, next time I service them (or either one will do), I'll put some
photo's up.
I only accept cash. Where do you want to meet to hand it over?
The photos have to show the whole vehicle, obviously, and I need it writing
as well (from an unbiased '3rd party' who can verify it). As for the
handover, we'll work that out when the time comes. But assuming I win,
meeting is not going to happen. Cash only is fine, but has to be dropped
off in my PO box.
Noddy
2007-08-28 13:04:58 UTC
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The photos have to show the whole vehicle, obviously, and I need it
writing as well (from an unbiased '3rd party' who can verify it). As for
the handover, we'll work that out when the time comes. But assuming I
win, meeting is not going to happen. Cash only is fine, but has to be
dropped off in my PO box.
Jesus, want to get a senior council to conduct a mediation? For fuck's sake
:)

I knew you'd put enough conditions on it to make sure it wasn't worthwhile,
you gutless heap of shit :)

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David Z
2007-08-28 18:15:00 UTC
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Post by David Z
The photos have to show the whole vehicle, obviously, and I need it
writing as well (from an unbiased '3rd party' who can verify it). As for
the handover, we'll work that out when the time comes. But assuming I
win, meeting is not going to happen. Cash only is fine, but has to be
dropped off in my PO box.
Jesus, want to get a senior council to conduct a mediation? For fuck's
sake :)
I knew you'd put enough conditions on it to make sure it wasn't worthwhile,
It's not a $10 bet we're talking about, it's 1 grand so of course there are
going to be conditions. (although I can make it a lesser amount if you can't
afford it.) You think I'd seriously accept a dodgy up close photo of a drum
brake that could be from any vehicle? Anyway, if you're that confident that
you're right, it'll be the easiest grand you'd ever make, so who cares about
a few conditions? Surely it'd be worth it for $1k.
Noddy
2007-08-28 22:55:10 UTC
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It's not a $10 bet we're talking about, it's 1 grand so of course there
are going to be conditions. (although I can make it a lesser amount if you
can't afford it.) You think I'd seriously accept a dodgy up close photo
of a drum brake that could be from any vehicle? Anyway, if you're that
confident that you're right, it'll be the easiest grand you'd ever make,
so who cares about a few conditions? Surely it'd be worth it for $1k.
I've got a better idea that saves the hassle of all your bullshit.

I'll let you know when the car's going to be here at my place, and you can
just come over and check it out yourself in the flesh. That'll remove any
doubt at all, and you can bring mommy & daddy as your bodyguards if you're
worried about anything happening to you.

Of course, I'd be willing to bet an extra grand that you'd never front :)

Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm not concerned about your thousand
bucks. I could probably buy & sell you tomorrow.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
John McKenzie
2007-08-29 07:42:39 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
It's not a $10 bet we're talking about, it's 1 grand so of course there
are going to be conditions. (although I can make it a lesser amount if you
can't afford it.) You think I'd seriously accept a dodgy up close photo
of a drum brake that could be from any vehicle? Anyway, if you're that
confident that you're right, it'll be the easiest grand you'd ever make,
so who cares about a few conditions? Surely it'd be worth it for $1k.
I've got a better idea that saves the hassle of all your bullshit.
I'll let you know when the car's going to be here at my place, and you can
just come over and check it out yourself in the flesh. That'll remove any
doubt at all, and you can bring mommy & daddy as your bodyguards if you're
worried about anything happening to you.
I'll attend as an independant objective third party, and also to make
sure nothing bad happens to him.
Post by Noddy
Of course, I'd be willing to bet an extra grand that you'd never front :)
Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm not concerned about your thousand
bucks. I could probably buy & sell you tomorrow.
It wouldn't be his, it would be his dad's anyway.
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Noddy
2007-08-29 09:59:21 UTC
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Post by John McKenzie
It wouldn't be his, it would be his dad's anyway.
Of course.

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Daryl Walford
2007-08-28 12:01:16 UTC
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Post by David Z
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front
brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you
willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going to
chicken out again like you did when you were supposedly willing to bet
that Mitsubishi would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia by the
end of 2006?).
Lol :)
I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was that no
one was willing to take me up on it. They would have pocketed some cash if
they did.
As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for a long
time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the rego labels, and
both very certainly have drum brakes.
Here's the official 2003 Honda CR-V brochure with specifications, taken
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/c5b3f2004600d293b68ebe823e4d2e7c/cr-v_brochure_oct03.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f3058a55de.jpg
The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit. If
you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave it.
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at
his neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and
don't forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his $1000.00
ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with dozens
of parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome David Z"
sign on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)



Daryl
David Z
2007-08-28 12:12:02 UTC
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Post by David Z
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front
brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you
willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going
to chicken out again like you did when you were supposedly willing to
bet that Mitsubishi would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia
by the end of 2006?).
Lol :)
I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was that no
one was willing to take me up on it. They would have pocketed some cash
if they did.
As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for a
long time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the rego
labels, and both very certainly have drum brakes.
Here's the official 2003 Honda CR-V brochure with specifications, taken
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/c5b3f2004600d293b68ebe823e4d2e7c/cr-v_brochure_oct03.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f3058a55de.jpg
The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit.
If you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave
it.
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at his
neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and don't
forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his $1000.00 ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with dozens of
parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome David Z" sign
on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
Noddy
2007-08-28 13:14:17 UTC
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Post by David Z
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
Which street would that be cock? :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl Walford
2007-08-29 03:16:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Z
Post by David Z
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The front
brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs. Are you
willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or are you going
to chicken out again like you did when you were supposedly willing to
bet that Mitsubishi would no longer be manufacturing cars in Australia
by the end of 2006?).
Lol :)
I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was that no
one was willing to take me up on it. They would have pocketed some cash
if they did.
As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for a
long time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the rego
labels, and both very certainly have drum brakes.
Here's the official 2003 Honda CR-V brochure with specifications, taken
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/c5b3f2004600d293b68ebe823e4d2e7c/cr-v_brochure_oct03.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f3058a55de.jpg
The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of shit.
If you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it or leave
it.
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at his
neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and don't
forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his $1000.00 ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with dozens of
parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome David Z" sign
on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
I thought his neighbour had 2 CRV's, they must also be "shitboxes" if
they are in Noddy's street?


Daryl
Bugalugs
2007-08-29 04:23:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daryl Walford
Post by David Z
Post by Daryl Walford
Post by David Z
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
Wrong. NO 2nd gen. CR-V was ever fitted with drum brakes. The
front brakes are ventilated discs while the rear are solid discs.
Are you willing to make a bet on that? I sure as hell am. (or
are you going to chicken out again like you did when you were
supposedly willing to bet that Mitsubishi would no longer be
manufacturing cars in Australia by the end of 2006?).
Lol :)
I was certainly willing to bet that, but the really sad part was
that no one was willing to take me up on it. They would have
pocketed some cash if they did.
As for the neighbor's CR-V's, I guess they must have sat around for
a long time before they were registered, huh? 2004 & 2003 on the
rego labels, and both very certainly have drum brakes.
Here's the official 2003 Honda CR-V brochure with specifications,
http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/c5b3f2004600d293b68ebe823e4d2e7c/cr-v_brochure_oct03.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?f3058a55de.jpg
The specs on the final page show disc brakes. So you're full of
shit. If you can prove me wrong, I'm putting $1,000 on it. Take it
or leave it.
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at
his neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and
don't forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his
$1000.00 ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with
dozens of parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome
David Z" sign on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
I thought his neighbour had 2 CRV's, they must also be "shitboxes" if
they are in Noddy's street?
Daryl
Won't find any bitso mishys there.
Noddy
2007-08-29 05:42:33 UTC
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Post by Bugalugs
Won't find any bitso mishys there.
Actually I don't think there's one in the whole street. Most of my neighbors
have a bit of class, apart from the two next door with the CR-V's.

Still, they're both girls :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
John McKenzie
2007-08-29 07:46:26 UTC
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Post by David Z
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
I've seen his place, and I'll put money on it that it beats your run
down dilapidated shithole in 'the ghetto' (and you'll know what that
reference means) that might have a similar value on paper, but would be
the equivalent of an expensive prison in comparison.

Gonna take him up on the wager for real chickenshit? I seriously will go
there and guarantee your safety, I'd consider it a priveledge to make
sure you had to suffer the humiliation without being in mortal danger.
And of course the irony, that a queer would have to be the better man
and protect you you wimpy fuckhole.
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Noddy
2007-08-29 10:04:07 UTC
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Post by John McKenzie
Gonna take him up on the wager for real chickenshit? I seriously will go
there and guarantee your safety, I'd consider it a priveledge to make
sure you had to suffer the humiliation without being in mortal danger.
And of course the irony, that a queer would have to be the better man
and protect you you wimpy fuckhole.
Lol :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
David Z
2007-08-29 14:35:50 UTC
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Post by John McKenzie
Post by David Z
You mean the street lined with dozens of Fords, Holdens, and other
miscellaneous shitboxes?
I've seen his place, and I'll put money on it that it beats your run
down dilapidated shithole in 'the ghetto' (and you'll know what that
reference means) that might have a similar value on paper, but would be
the equivalent of an expensive prison in comparison.
I have no idea what you mean JM. Does this mean you're finally admitting to
being gay, though?
As for Noddy, well, I am not going to accept those terms but let's keep
things simple then. Go on and post your photo. No bets. I've already
provided evidence that backs up my claim, so you can now do the same.
Noddy
2007-08-29 22:59:03 UTC
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Post by David Z
I have no idea what you mean JM. Does this mean you're finally admitting
to being gay, though?
Jeez, you catch on quick, don't you? :)
Post by David Z
As for Noddy, well, I am not going to accept those terms but let's keep
things simple then. Go on and post your photo. No bets. I've already
provided evidence that backs up my claim, so you can now do the same.
Weak cunt :)

I'll get the photo's up when I next service the car as I said. You can hang
on to your daddy's money, as I don't need it. The embarrassment alone will
be worthwhile :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
John McKenzie
2007-08-30 04:16:22 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
I have no idea what you mean JM. Does this mean you're finally admitting
to being gay, though?
Jeez, you catch on quick, don't you? :)
boy wonder he is.
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
As for Noddy, well, I am not going to accept those terms but let's keep
things simple then. Go on and post your photo. No bets. I've already
provided evidence that backs up my claim, so you can now do the same.
Weak cunt :)
I for one am _shocked_ that he backed out.
Post by Noddy
I'll get the photo's up when I next service the car as I said. You can hang
on to your daddy's money, as I don't need it. The embarrassment alone will
be worthwhile :)
His mum and dad still tell him he's special though.
--
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Noddy
2007-08-30 04:31:05 UTC
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Post by John McKenzie
I for one am _shocked_ that he backed out.
Yeah, me too :)
Post by John McKenzie
His mum and dad still tell him he's special though.
They don't have much choice, the poor bastards.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
David Z
2007-08-30 09:15:22 UTC
Permalink
So why wouldn't you admit to being homo before? You actually did admit it,
ages ago, but when I pestered you about it you then claimed you didn't say
you were either way. Why go to that length to hide the fact?

As for me not meeting, the reasons should be obvious (i.e. the recent thread
where I received almost threats). It would be the equivalent of GWB walking
through downtown Baghdad, unarmed, and without the secret service.

And I would have been using my own (earned) money, not dads.
Post by John McKenzie
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
I have no idea what you mean JM. Does this mean you're finally admitting
to being gay, though?
Jeez, you catch on quick, don't you? :)
boy wonder he is.
Post by Noddy
Post by David Z
As for Noddy, well, I am not going to accept those terms but let's keep
things simple then. Go on and post your photo. No bets. I've already
provided evidence that backs up my claim, so you can now do the same.
Weak cunt :)
I for one am _shocked_ that he backed out.
Post by Noddy
I'll get the photo's up when I next service the car as I said. You can hang
on to your daddy's money, as I don't need it. The embarrassment alone will
be worthwhile :)
His mum and dad still tell him he's special though.
--
John McKenzie
Noddy
2007-08-30 10:28:39 UTC
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Post by David Z
As for me not meeting, the reasons should be obvious (i.e. the recent
thread where I received almost threats). It would be the equivalent of
GWB walking through downtown Baghdad, unarmed, and without the secret
service.
At least you're smart enough to realise everyone around here hates your guts
:)
Post by David Z
And I would have been using my own (earned) money, not dads.
How many years of saying "Would you like fries with that?" did you have to
work to save it?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

Noddy
2007-08-28 13:06:57 UTC
Permalink
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at his
neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and don't
forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his $1000.00 ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with dozens of
parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome David Z" sign
on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)
Lol :)

I'm sure that even a few blokes I know who have never used a computer or
have a clue who the dumb shit is would glady show up just for the
entertainment factor :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl Walford
2007-08-29 03:17:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noddy
The best way to prove the point is for you to visit Noddy and look at his
neighbors vehicles, please let us know when this is happening and don't
forget to bring your cash, I'm sure Noddy will have his $1000.00 ready.
Noddys house will be easy to find, just look for the house with dozens of
parked cars nearby and a crowd out the front, the "Welcome David Z" sign
on the front gate will be a dead give away:-)
Lol :)
I'm sure that even a few blokes I know who have never used a computer or
have a clue who the dumb shit is would glady show up just for the
entertainment factor :)
I'll be there for sure:-)


Daryl
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