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EVs: More on for morons.
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alvey
2024-12-12 02:40:08 UTC
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https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained

"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess solar
to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than equivalent
internal combustion engine vehicles".

hth



alvey
Ozix
2024-12-12 10:56:56 UTC
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Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess solar
to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than equivalent
internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
Trevor Wilson
2024-12-12 21:00:08 UTC
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Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess
solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than
equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-12 21:21:49 UTC
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Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their
excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs
than equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
Oh, I must be rich then. I've been getting 60 cents/kWh since way back when
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
except it's not available in all States and only some vehicles can do it
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Noddy
2024-12-12 22:16:23 UTC
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Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you use
at night? That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
for everyone.
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Xeno
2024-12-12 22:43:26 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you use
at night? That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
for everyone.
Oh dear, trying to show off your knowledge - and failing as usual.

The average BEV battery is 60 KWh, the average home battery is 10-15 KWh
and average daily consumption is 10-15 KWh. So it is quite easy to do as
Trev suggests and still leave a lot of charge in the BEV battery for any
running around you might want to do. It’s what my lawyer does with his
Tesla since he works out of his home.

So, it would be the best way to get the most benefit from a BEV, solar
panels & home battery combo. The only circumstance where it won’t work is
where the BEV is parked in the work car park all day and missing out on the
daytime solar charge up.

You’re just trying to make an anti-argument where there isn’t one to be
had.

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alvey
2024-12-12 23:09:44 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you use
at night? That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
for everyone.
Mr Selfish Small-Picture strikes again.

The big picture here Fraudster is that either of those methods are
better than your preference.

hth


alvey
Trevor Wilson
2024-12-13 00:22:53 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you use
at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY bigger
than most home batteries.

That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
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Noddy
2024-12-13 01:20:39 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY bigger
than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was, and
neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
 That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the exception
rather than the rule.

I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely curious.
From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for people who
didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low overnight
power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to pay a lot for
a car and the necessary charging equipment.

I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking place
at night. I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
80-120kW per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
into the grid @ 4.3cents per kW, and I'm genuinely interested in in
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.

So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested, as
I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the house at
night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the next day.
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Clocky
2024-12-13 01:27:39 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was, and
neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the exception
rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely curious.
From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for people who
didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low overnight
power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to pay a lot for
a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.

*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 03:27:04 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.
Our average here is 12 KWh, about average for a 2 person household, goes
up a little to maybe 14 or 15 if we need to use the AC much.
Post by Clocky
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
His arithmetic skills are that of a 10 year old. No, I think a 10 year
old would have it over him.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 06:27:38 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over
a year is 20kWh.
Our average here is 12 KWh, about average for a 2 person household,
goes up a little to maybe 14 or 15 if we need to use the AC much.
20 Kwh here
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Post by Clocky
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
His arithmetic skills are that of a 10 year old. No, I think a 10 year
old would have it over him.
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2024-12-13 04:35:08 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
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2024-12-13 04:44:44 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days per
week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully charged
Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
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Noddy
2024-12-13 04:54:42 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days per
week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully charged
Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
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2024-12-13 05:31:58 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
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**Here's the thing:

I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am running
the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours. All the
other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might use 1,500 ~
2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's be generous
and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour over an 8 hour
day (I doubt you use it that much). That gives us:

2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.

My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The rest
of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what I
happen to be doing.

Then there's other bits and bobs.

I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used
30kWh/day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools
are the killer for many Australian homes.
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2024-12-13 06:49:24 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am running
the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours. All the
other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might use 1,500 ~
2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's be generous
and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour over an 8 hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The rest
of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what I
happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are the
killer for many Australian homes.
Yup, my sister's bills a 3 - 4 times mine because she has a pool.
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Noddy
2024-12-14 01:29:37 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am running
the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours. All the
other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might use 1,500 ~
2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's be generous
and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour over an 8 hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The rest
of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what I
happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are the
killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is almost
entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for the most
part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be over 50kWh. I
have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like lathes, Mills,
grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools, etc, and it gets
used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of lighting here which I
now use more than I ever used to as I filled in one half of the shed
roof with solar panels which took away a lot of the natural light. Shit,
even my air compressor has a 10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10
times a day.

You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
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alvey
2024-12-14 02:12:43 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's
be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what
I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are
the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is almost
entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for the most
part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be over 50kWh. I
have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like lathes, Mills,
grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools, etc, and it gets
used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of lighting here which I
now use more than I ever used to as I filled in one half of the shed
roof with solar panels which took away a lot of the natural light. Shit,
even my air compressor has a 10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10
times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.

Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey! If I'm reading this correctly,
https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.


alvey
Xeno
2024-12-14 04:43:34 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's
be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours
= 1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day.
Some days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on
what I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are
the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is
almost entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for
the most part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be
over 50kWh. I have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like
lathes, Mills, grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools,
etc, and it gets used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of
lighting here which I now use more than I ever used to as I filled in
one half of the shed roof with solar panels which took away a lot of
the natural light. Shit, even my air compressor has a 10hp electric
motor which cycles maybe 8-10 times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.
Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
 entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey! If I'm reading this correctly,
https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.
Like his life in general, his electricity consumption is all bullshit.
Post by alvey
alvey
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MightyMouse
2024-12-14 05:18:14 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6
days per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A
fully charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day.
Let's be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours
= 1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day.
Some days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends
on what I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used
30kWh/ day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day.
Pools are the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is
almost entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for
the most part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be
over 50kWh. I have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like
lathes, Mills, grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools,
etc, and it gets used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of
lighting here which I now use more than I ever used to as I filled in
one half of the shed roof with solar panels which took away a lot of
the natural light. Shit, even my air compressor has a 10hp electric
motor which cycles maybe 8-10 times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.
we would all die of shock!
Post by alvey
Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
 entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey!
actually he's claiming his usage is 50kw a day
Post by alvey
If I'm reading this correctly, https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.
yep
Post by alvey
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2024-12-14 07:16:35 UTC
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Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6
days per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A
fully charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day.
Let's be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours
= 1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day.
Some days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends
on what I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used
30kWh/ day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day.
Pools are the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is
almost entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for
the most part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be
over 50kWh. I have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like
lathes, Mills, grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools,
etc, and it gets used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of
lighting here which I now use more than I ever used to as I filled in
one half of the shed roof with solar panels which took away a lot of
the natural light. Shit, even my air compressor has a 10hp electric
motor which cycles maybe 8-10 times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.
we would all die of shock!
Post by alvey
Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
 entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey!
actually he's claiming his usage is 50kw a day
Post by alvey
If I'm reading this correctly, https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.
yep
Perhaps he could do what I've done and post a recent statement?



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Xeno
2024-12-14 10:52:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by alvey
Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6
days per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A
fully charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day.
Let's be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes
every hour over an 8 hour day (I doubt you use it that much). That
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8
hours = 1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/
day. Some days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day.
Depends on what I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but
the difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used
30kWh/ day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day.
Pools are the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is
almost entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop
for the most part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would
be over 50kWh. I have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry
like lathes, Mills, grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand
tools, etc, and it gets used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w
of lighting here which I now use more than I ever used to as I
filled in one half of the shed roof with solar panels which took
away a lot of the natural light. Shit, even my air compressor has a
10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10 times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.
we would all die of shock!
Post by alvey
Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
 entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey!
actually he's claiming his usage is 50kw a day
Post by alvey
If I'm reading this correctly, https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.
yep
Perhaps he could do what I've done and post a recent statement?
alvey
Darren supplying substantive proof? That'd be a first!
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Clocky
2024-12-14 12:18:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by alvey
Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6
days per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A
fully charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day.
Let's be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes
every hour over an 8 hour day (I doubt you use it that much). That
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8
hours = 1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have
8kWh/day. Some days, I cut my lighting back to around 250
Watts/day. Depends on what I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but
the difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used
30kWh/ day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day.
Pools are the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is
almost entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop
for the most part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would
be over 50kWh. I have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry
like lathes, Mills, grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand
tools, etc, and it gets used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w
of lighting here which I now use more than I ever used to as I
filled in one half of the shed roof with solar panels which took
away a lot of the natural light. Shit, even my air compressor has a
10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10 times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
The only thing you could do to surprise me Fraudster would be if you
confessed to all your lies.
we would all die of shock!
Post by alvey
Anyhows... Dennis knows why Fraudsters' *alleged* 35kWh "is almost
 entirely consumed after dark". What? So he's Home Alone all day but
waits until the wife gets home and *then* goes out to the shed and
does... ??? And 35kWh per day? Crikey!
actually he's claiming his usage is 50kw a day
Post by alvey
If I'm reading this correctly, https://imgur.com/a/kTMWayG mine is 6.45.
yep
Perhaps he could do what I've done and post a recent statement?
alvey
What? That dickhead posting actual evidence? That will be the day.
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Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
Xeno
2024-12-14 03:15:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's
be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what
I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are
the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is almost
entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for the most
part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be over 50kWh. I
have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like lathes, Mills,
grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools, etc, and it gets
used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of lighting here which I
now use more than I ever used to as I filled in one half of the shed
roof with solar panels which took away a lot of the natural light. Shit,
even my air compressor has a 10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10
times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
And all wasted on a *fraud*!
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2024-12-14 04:45:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
I run around 500 Watts of lighting continuously. That said, I am
running the air con today. That's around 750 Watts for 6 ~ 8 hours.
All the other gear doesn't amount to much. Whilst your hoists might
use 1,500 ~ 2,000 Watts, that's for, maybe, 10 minutes per day. Let's
be generous and assume you use a 2kW hoist for 5 minutes every hour
2,000/12X8 = 1.33kWh.
My soldering station runs around 50 Watts for 8 hours = 0.4kWh. The
rest of my test equipment probably runs around 200 Watts for 8 hours =
1.6kWh. Total = 2kWh/day. Add in lighting and we have 8kWh/day. Some
days, I cut my lighting back to around 250 Watts/day. Depends on what
I happen to be doing.
Then there's other bits and bobs.
I'm not denying that your workshop might use more than mine, but the
difference is not as great as you imagine. Like I said: I used 30kWh/
day, until I filled in my pool. The it fell to 20kWh/day. Pools are
the killer for many Australian homes.
As I said my daily power use is around 35kWh on average, which is almost
entirely consumed after dark. My solar powers the workshop for the most
part, but if it didn't then my daily power usage would be over 50kWh. I
have a lot of equipment that is very power hungry like lathes, Mills,
grinders, welders, various 240v powered hand tools, etc, and it gets
used fairly regularly. I have close to 3000w of lighting here which I
now use more than I ever used to as I filled in one half of the shed
roof with solar panels which took away a lot of the natural light. Shit,
even my air compressor has a 10hp electric motor which cycles maybe 8-10
times a day.
You'd be surprised just how much power gets used here.....
Yeah, all that hot air you blow would consume some power, just not off
the grid.
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Xeno
2024-12-13 06:39:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days per
week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully charged
Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.

Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Clocky
2024-12-15 00:41:27 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.

His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
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Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
Xeno
2024-12-15 01:07:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
And the most important props are the set of family vehicles which he
pretends are customer *exotics*. Lucky he has been blessed with a good
imagination because I’m not seeing anything exotic there.
At least he’s getting his Ranger used to being on a hoist, being a Ford
it’s going to spend a lot of time on hoists. Though not his hoist for the
warranty period.

____
Xeno
Mighty Mouse
2024-12-15 01:47:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Xeno
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
And the most important props are the set of family vehicles which he
pretends are customer *exotics*. Lucky he has been blessed with a good
imagination because I’m not seeing anything exotic there.
At least he’s getting his Ranger used to being on a hoist, being a Ford
it’s going to spend a lot of time on hoists. Though not his hoist for the
warranty period.
he bought a white Ranger. most I see are black. white is not sexy.
Post by Xeno
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2024-12-15 09:17:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
And the most important props are the set of family vehicles which he
pretends are customer *exotics*. Lucky he has been blessed with a good
imagination because I’m not seeing anything exotic there.
At least he’s getting his Ranger used to being on a hoist, being a Ford
it’s going to spend a lot of time on hoists. Though not his hoist for the
warranty period.
he bought a white Ranger. most I see are black. white is not sexy.
Black is sexy - maybe, but black gets a lot of heat loading. Given that
Darren's Navarra was sexy black and the Ranger white, I'd say Darren has
*miraculously* actually learnt something. I didn't believe it was possible.
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MightyMouse
2024-12-15 04:31:55 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
And the most important props are the set of family vehicles which he
pretends are customer *exotics*. Lucky he has been blessed with a good
imagination because I’m not seeing anything exotic there.
At least he’s getting his Ranger used to being on a hoist, being a Ford
it’s going to spend a lot of time on hoists. Though not his hoist for the
warranty period.
is that a spray booth under the Jeep sign?
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2024-12-15 07:58:18 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
And the most important props are the set of family vehicles which he
pretends are customer *exotics*. Lucky he has been blessed with a good
imagination because I’m not seeing anything exotic there.
At least he’s getting his Ranger used to being on a hoist, being a Ford
it’s going to spend a lot of time on hoists. Though not his hoist for the
warranty period.
is that a spray booth under the Jeep sign?
Likely is, he boasts about it. Problem for Darren, he only did the hobby
car restoring course at Richmond. I'd reckon he thinks he could pass
muster as a *qualified* panelbeater/spray painter.

Hint: the hobby course will do no such thing.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-15 01:46:19 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
exactly. and short duration of use
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
LOL

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2024-12-15 04:47:18 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of work,
2,402 images, and 21 albums

https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
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2024-12-15 07:41:24 UTC
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Post by Clocky
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of work,
2,402 images, and 21 albums
Any taken at the storied NA of the Slough IE?



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2024-12-15 09:14:43 UTC
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Post by MightyMouse
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of
work, 2,402 images, and 21 albums
Any taken at the storied NA of the Slough IE?
And no pics of anything more exotic than a Ford
Post by alvey
alvey
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Xeno
2024-12-15 08:58:57 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of work,
2,402 images, and 21 albums
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
He likes to boast. His problem is that his efforts on Les' engine showed
just how lacking in trade knowledge he really is. That he never
undertook the TAFE training of an apprenticeship is painfully obvious by
the things he says here. He made his *efforts* on Les' engine worse by
his piss poor attempts at covering his arse. Remember how he *blamed* a
faulty valve? That showed, unequivocally, that he had no idea about the
*intricacies* of engine valve operation. Anyone with a clue would never
have stuck a shim head gasket on an engine and then expected to get away
without a single countermeasure - even if that's what the owner wanted.
The opportunity was there to warn Les of the consequences of a shim head
gasket - but Darren hadn't a clue what said consequences would be. He
does now though! ;-) The two obvious countermeasures are lighter
valves or stronger valve springs, or both. A real auto machinist would
have taken countermeasures because a real auto machinist would have
studied valve operation to the nth degree. Darren didn't even understand
the fundamentals of valve lofting, valve float and valve bounce, any or
all of which could have led to the disaster Les suffered at Bathurst and
that shim head gasket made it all the more likely. FWIW, an auto
machinist's role is way more than machining engine parts. FFS, my wife
learnt how to do machining operations on automotive components as a
*process worker* at HPG Engineering, AI Automotive and Total Tooling. As
she will say, it was monkey see, monkey do work - and she even had two
years of TAFE training - and has the certificate. I will guarantee
Darren had less formal training than she. The proof of that is in the
simple fact that Darren was unable to do a *step by step* of the
*failure mode* with Les engine, something I went through here in detail.
I was initially working through complex scenarios but, as soon as Daryl
mentioned where and under what circumstances the engine blow up
occurred, I knew straight away what had happened and it all began with
removing piston to valve clearance without taking countermeasures.
Simply measuring the clearances is but step one. For example, how much
clearance is the factory spec? Was the head already at factory spec or
previously planed? Were the valves that were fitted *heavier* than
standard spec? Did they protrude further into the cylinder than standard
valves? If so, there was the very real possibility of disaster with a
*standard* head gasket. Put simply there were too many known unknowns
and too many unknown knowns. The diagnosis process I went through was
quite simple. That however is not enough if the disaster is to be
*prevented* in the future. Sure that engine was destroyed as far as the
affected cylinder is concerned - but there were 3 other cylinders that
would allow a proper post mortem to be carried out. After all, you would
expect the specs on the remaining 3 cylinders to be a match with the
dead cylinder and they could be compared with what ought to be. But,
nah, Darren's limited intellect told him it was a faulty valve and so
the engine was *buried* post haste sans post mortem. As I have said in
the past, Darren is the epitome of a little knowledge being a dangerous
thing.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-15 21:45:59 UTC
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Post by MightyMouse
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6
days per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A
fully charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when
it's quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of
work, 2,402 images, and 21 albums
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
He likes to boast. His problem is that his efforts on Les' engine
showed just how lacking in trade knowledge he really is. That he never
undertook the TAFE training of an apprenticeship is painfully obvious
by the things he says here. He made his *efforts* on Les' engine worse
by his piss poor attempts at covering his arse. Remember how he
*blamed* a faulty valve? That showed, unequivocally, that he had no
idea about the *intricacies* of engine valve operation. Anyone with a
clue would never have stuck a shim head gasket on an engine and then
expected to get away without a single countermeasure - even if that's
what the owner wanted. The opportunity was there to warn Les of the
consequences of a shim head gasket - but Darren hadn't a clue what
said consequences would be. He does now though!  ;-)  The two obvious
countermeasures are lighter valves or stronger valve springs, or both.
A real auto machinist would have taken countermeasures because a real
auto machinist would have studied valve operation to the nth degree.
Darren didn't even understand the fundamentals of valve lofting, valve
float and valve bounce,
I knew about that when I was doing up engines. I put heavier valve
springs in the EK engine
Post by Xeno
any or all of which could have led to the disaster Les suffered at
Bathurst and that shim head gasket made it all the more likely. FWIW,
an auto machinist's role is way more than machining engine parts. FFS,
my wife learnt how to do machining operations on automotive components
as a *process worker* at HPG Engineering, AI Automotive and Total
Tooling. As she will say, it was monkey see, monkey do work - and she
even had two years of TAFE training - and has the certificate. I will
guarantee Darren had less formal training than she. The proof of that
is in the simple fact that Darren was unable to do a *step by step* of
the *failure mode* with Les engine, something I went through here in
detail. I was initially working through complex scenarios but, as soon
as Daryl mentioned where and under what circumstances the engine blow
up occurred, I knew straight away what had happened and it all began
with removing piston to valve clearance without taking
countermeasures. Simply measuring the clearances is but step one. For
example, how much clearance is the factory spec? Was the head already
at factory spec or previously planed? Were the valves that were fitted
*heavier* than standard spec? Did they protrude further into the
cylinder than standard valves? If so, there was the very real
possibility of disaster with a *standard* head gasket. Put simply
there were too many known unknowns and too many unknown knowns. The
diagnosis process I went through was quite simple. That however is not
enough if the disaster is to be *prevented* in the future. Sure that
engine was destroyed as far as the affected cylinder is concerned -
but there were 3 other cylinders that would allow a proper post mortem
to be carried out. After all, you would expect the specs on the
remaining 3 cylinders to be a match with the dead cylinder and they
could be compared with what ought to be.
makes sense
Post by Xeno
But, nah, Darren's limited intellect told him it was a faulty valve
and so the engine was *buried* post haste sans post mortem. As I have
said in the past, Darren is the epitome of a little knowledge being a
dangerous thing.
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2024-12-15 09:12:19 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of work,
2,402 images, and 21 albums
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
Looks like some really nice work going on there, you'd have to suspect
that there is a deal of petty jealousy going on from the usual suspects.
alvey
2024-12-15 10:26:50 UTC
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Post by MightyMouse
Post by Clocky
Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of
work, 2,402 images, and 21 albums
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
Looks like some really nice work going on there, you'd have to suspect
that there is a deal of petty jealousy going on from the usual suspects.
Tedious troll
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2024-12-15 10:30:24 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops.
You repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a
soldering iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your
workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
Yeah, a *hobby workshop*. Intermittent power tool use at best.
Here you are again trying to make out you run a *business* when it's
quite clear to all and sundry that you do nothing of the sort.
He clearly hasn't been in a real workshop where people are doing real work.
His workshop is more like a display home filled with props.
looking at his imgbb page tho, it does look like he does a lot of
work, 2,402 images, and 21 albums
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/?page=1&seek=V9mK5Kw
Looks like some really nice work going on there, you'd have to suspect
that there is a deal of petty jealousy going on from the usual suspects.
Be quiet sycophant, you're boring and irrelevant.
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alvey
2024-12-13 08:51:27 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
Darren loves taking pictures to prove his workshop prowess. He'll even
post them withot being asked. So why won't he post any pix of his fabled
business, the Euroexotics he's claimed to have worked on, his drag
racing days, his Grange collection, and the multitude of other claims?
Claims which has been repeatedly requested to prove. Amazingly, some are
not critical of this staggering hypocrisy and incriminating behaviour.


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2024-12-13 09:15:08 UTC
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but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
**I have a workshop full of power equipment. It is used 5 - 6 days
per week. I use around 20kWh of electricity every day. A fully
charged Porsche Maccan (EV) would run my home for 5 days.
With respect Trevor, there are workshops and there are workshops. You
repair stereo equipment which means you most likely have a soldering
iron, a few battery tools and some lights over your workbench.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://ibb.co/album/KzD6Zn
https://ibb.co/DYYFWxm
Darren loves taking pictures to prove his workshop prowess. He'll even
post them withot being asked. So why won't he post any pix of his fabled
business, the Euroexotics he's claimed to have worked on, his drag
racing days, his Grange collection, and the multitude of other claims?
Claims which has been repeatedly requested to prove. Amazingly, some are
not critical of this staggering hypocrisy and incriminating behaviour.
Yeah, you'd have thought anyone with multiple trade qualifications would
be keen to present them *publicly*, especially if they are a showoff
like Darren. But he won't and he says it's because *I* want to see them.
The sad thing, for him at least, is that I don't want to see his trade
papers for the simple reason that *I know* he doesn't have any. That
fact is confirmed by a total lack of evidence in all government archives
and records. If he actually had said papers, do you not think he'd want
to slap them down here and say "read them and weep boys". But he doesn't
do that and there is but one reason why he doesn't. The rest of the
FLCJC go rather quiet on the issue. Reckon they know something we know?
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Xeno
2024-12-13 06:35:19 UTC
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**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
I don't know how he uses 35 KWh. I could run my AC full time and get
nowhere near that.

Oh, and his *power equipment* would, at best, have intermittent use. It
is all in a Hobby shed, not a real workshop where *real work* gets done.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 06:51:30 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and
use the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I
was thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were
happy to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over
a year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
I don't know how he uses 35 KWh.
we don't 'know'. that's just what he says :)
Post by Xeno
I could run my AC full time and get nowhere near that.
Oh, and his *power equipment* would, at best, have intermittent use.
It is all in a Hobby shed, not a real workshop where *real work* gets
done.
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2024-12-13 07:16:19 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and
use the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I
was thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were
happy to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over
a year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
I don't know how he uses 35 KWh.
we don't 'know'. that's just what he says :)
Yeah, and we do know that he lies, and lies, and lies. That we do know!
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
I could run my AC full time and get nowhere near that.
Oh, and his *power equipment* would, at best, have intermittent use.
It is all in a Hobby shed, not a real workshop where *real work* gets
done.
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Clocky
2024-12-13 11:44:38 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and
use the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I
was thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were
happy to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over
a year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
I don't know how he uses 35 KWh.
we don't 'know'. that's just what he says :)
That's a critical point. He's a habitual liar. From the photo it appears
his "workshop" has his sons car which for some reason is still parked up
- though he rebuilt the engine so that's likely garden art now, his
Ranger, an old Ford that's been sitting stagnant and rusting away in the
corner and that ugly truck he said attracted "tiktok girls" which were
actually just paid promotional people for the event.

Clearly nothing going on there during the day and even less at night.
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2024-12-14 04:56:57 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and
use the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size
was, and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that
score. I was thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in
particular whatever you were going to buy and see how well the
idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense
for people who didn't use their car much during the day and had
fairly low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they
were happy to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging
equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria
over a year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and
still have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then,
you'll probably say it's never used..  :)
I don't know how he uses 35 KWh.
we don't 'know'. that's just what he says :)
That's a critical point. He's a habitual liar. From the photo it appears
Assume everything he says is a lie! Safe start point!
Post by Clocky
his "workshop" has his sons car which for some reason is still parked up
- though he rebuilt the engine so that's likely garden art now, his
If Darren rebuilt the engine, for sure it's now garden art. Les knows
this well, he possess some real expensive garden art produced by none
other than the noted runaway artist Darren.
Post by Clocky
Ranger, an old Ford that's been sitting stagnant and rusting away in the
corner and that ugly truck he said attracted "tiktok girls" which were
actually just paid promotional people for the event.
A clear absence of *exotics*, as expected.
Post by Clocky
Clearly nothing going on there during the day and even less at night.
Yep, no need for any electricity use except for lighting.
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Clocky
2024-12-13 11:36:08 UTC
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Post by Clocky
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over a
year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
The point is that his usage is way above the average of Melbourne and
that of Victoria. He claims the normal usage is the exception, but *he*
is the outliar here.

And yes, that was deliberate.
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proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
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2024-12-13 14:28:16 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and
use the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I
was thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
Unlikely.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were
happy to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW,
Average in Melbourne is just shy of 15kWh, average for Victoria over
a year is 20kWh.
*You* are the exception because you are incredibly wasteful. Almost
everyone could easily power their home from an EV at night and still
have plenty left for daily running around.
but he has a workshop with a lot of power equipment. but then, you'll
probably say it's never used..  :)
The point is that his usage is way above the average of Melbourne and
that of Victoria.
about double the average usage. just another of his many porkies, no doubt
Post by Clocky
He claims the normal usage is the exception, but *he* is the outliar
here.
And yes, that was deliberate.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-12-13 02:39:49 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was, and
neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the exception
rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely curious.
From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for people who
didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low overnight
power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to pay a lot for
a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking place
at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.


I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.

per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?

and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
**Then buy a cheap BEV. Something like this:

https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3

Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.

IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested, as
I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the house at
night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
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2024-12-13 02:45:19 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
 per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
**Oh and two more things about BYD:

* BYD is the biggest battery manufacturer on the planet. They supply *A
LOT* of other car companies. Including Tesla. And Hyundai.
* BYD make batteries which do not overheat like many other types.
* Then there's this:

https://bydautomotive.com.au/event/our-gift-to-you/37853

Well, that's three things.
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2024-12-13 04:48:31 UTC
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* BYD is the biggest battery manufacturer on the planet. They supply *A
LOT* of other car companies. Including Tesla. And Hyundai.
* BYD make batteries which do not overheat like many other types.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/event/our-gift-to-you/37853
Well, that's three things.
That's nice, but as I said I'm not interested in buying a Chinese car.
I'm happy to leave that for morons like Felix.
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2024-12-13 05:40:04 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
* BYD is the biggest battery manufacturer on the planet. They supply
*A LOT* of other car companies. Including Tesla. And Hyundai.
* BYD make batteries which do not overheat like many other types.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/event/our-gift-to-you/37853
Well, that's three things.
That's nice, but as I said I'm not interested in buying a Chinese car.
I'm happy to leave that for morons like Felix.
**Then I have a conundrum for you:

Hyundai have their smallest BEV made in China by BYD. Kona.

It also comes with a spare tyre (one of the few BEVs that does).

What do you think?
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2024-12-13 06:37:51 UTC
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* BYD is the biggest battery manufacturer on the planet. They supply
*A LOT* of other car companies. Including Tesla. And Hyundai.
* BYD make batteries which do not overheat like many other types.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/event/our-gift-to-you/37853
Well, that's three things.
That's nice, but as I said I'm not interested in buying a Chinese car.
I'm happy to leave that for morons like Felix.
Really?
Post by Trevor Wilson
Hyundai have their smallest BEV made in China by BYD. Kona.
It also comes with a spare tyre (one of the few BEVs that does).
What do you think?
What do I think about what? This is a pretty vague question from someone
who makes as much noise about being "specific" as you do :)

Not sure what you're asking me Trevor as there is a whole host of
possible questions here. Are you asking me what I think about Hyundai
getting their Electric Kona made in China? If you are then I couldn't
care less. Are you asking me what I think of the Kona? It's not my cup
of meat. Are you asking me would I ignore the fact that it's made in
China because it has a Hyundai badge on it? No, I wouldn't. I couldn't
ever see myself buying one *regardless* of where it's made, so the whole
thing academic.

However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.

There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products designed
and built in China by Chinese owned and operated companies, and products
that were designed in other countries by foreign corporations who have
their stuff made in China to exploit the cheap labour force.

There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit in
world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 07:08:05 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
* BYD is the biggest battery manufacturer on the planet. They supply
*A LOT* of other car companies. Including Tesla. And Hyundai.
* BYD make batteries which do not overheat like many other types.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/event/our-gift-to-you/37853
Well, that's three things.
That's nice, but as I said I'm not interested in buying a Chinese
car. I'm happy to leave that for morons like Felix.
Really?
Post by Trevor Wilson
Hyundai have their smallest BEV made in China by BYD. Kona.
It also comes with a spare tyre (one of the few BEVs that does).
What do you think?
What do I think about what? This is a pretty vague question from someone
who makes as much noise about being "specific" as you do :)
You really are thick, aren't you? It's about Hyundai *badge engineering*
a BYD product to enable its entry into the BEV market.

What's more, you will find the Kona to be a standard Chinese engineered
EV with a lot of *off the shelf* components. No different to how
hundreds of Chinese EV companies were able to build EVs. It was so bad
at one point that the only means of differentiation between makes was
the *badge*.
Post by Noddy
Not sure what you're asking me Trevor as there is a whole host of
possible questions here. Are you asking me what I think about Hyundai
getting their Electric Kona made in China? If you are then I couldn't
care less. Are you asking me what I think of the Kona? It's not my cup
of meat. Are you asking me would I ignore the fact that it's made in
China because it has a Hyundai badge on it? No, I wouldn't. I couldn't
ever see myself buying one *regardless* of where it's made, so the whole
thing academic.
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products designed
and built in China by Chinese owned and operated companies, and products
that were designed in other countries by foreign corporations who have
their stuff made in China to exploit the cheap labour force.
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit in
world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
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alvey
2024-12-13 20:34:21 UTC
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However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products designed
and built in China by Chinese owned and operated companies, and products
that were designed in other countries by foreign corporations who have
their stuff made in China to exploit the cheap labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit in
world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.


alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
MightyMouse
2024-12-14 05:07:29 UTC
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Post by Noddy
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products designed
and built in China by Chinese owned and operated companies, and
products that were designed in other countries by foreign
corporations who have their stuff made in China to exploit the cheap
labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit in
world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.
alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
unsupported and incorrect opinion
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Post by Noddy
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products designed
and built in China by Chinese owned and operated companies, and
products that were designed in other countries by foreign
corporations who have their stuff made in China to exploit the cheap
labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit in
world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.
alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
unsupported and incorrect opinion
Supporting evidence yerronner!

1. "My dad hated Asians", Fraudster.

2. Fraudster has made a considerable number of posts which easily
qualify as anti-Asian. (Will supply quotes upon request. And at
reasonable cost)



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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-14 07:43:56 UTC
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Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products
designed and built in China by Chinese owned and operated
companies, and products that were designed in other countries by
foreign corporations who have their stuff made in China to exploit
the cheap labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit
in world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.
alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
unsupported and incorrect opinion
Supporting evidence yerronner!
I was referring to your remark about Fraudsters comment
Post by alvey
1. "My dad hated Asians", Fraudster.
he wouldn't have liked being in Korea then
Post by alvey
2. Fraudster has made a considerable number of posts which easily
qualify as anti-Asian. (Will supply quotes upon request. And at
reasonable cost)
it's true that they're horrible drivers tho
Post by alvey
alvey
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2024-12-14 09:55:29 UTC
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Post by alvey
1. "My dad hated Asians", Fraudster.
he wouldn't have liked being in Korea then
That's a very droll lol 😆
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2024-12-14 10:56:10 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products
designed and built in China by Chinese owned and operated
companies, and products that were designed in other countries by
foreign corporations who have their stuff made in China to exploit
the cheap labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit
in world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.
alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
unsupported and incorrect opinion
Supporting evidence yerronner!
I was referring to your remark about Fraudsters comment
Post by alvey
1. "My dad hated Asians", Fraudster.
he wouldn't have liked being in Korea then
Post by alvey
2. Fraudster has made a considerable number of posts which easily
qualify as anti-Asian. (Will supply quotes upon request. And at
reasonable cost)
it's true that they're horrible drivers tho
Not all. My wife is a good driver. That said, she learnt to drive here.
She had lessons and I motivated her understanding of the rules by not
allowing her to be assessed verbally by a translator. Took her a couple
of goes to pass the written test but she then knew the rules better than
all her peers who did use a translator.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-14 07:49:18 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by MightyMouse
Post by alvey
Post by Noddy
However since we're talking about "made in China" I would add this.
There is a fucking *universe* of difference between products
designed and built in China by Chinese owned and operated
companies, and products that were designed in other countries by
foreign corporations who have their stuff made in China to exploit
the cheap labour force.
Unsupported opinion.
Post by Noddy
There's generally no problem with stuff made in China while an
experienced foreign company is in control, but it can turn to shit
in world record time when the Chinese are calling the shots.
Unsupported opinion.
alvey
I bet that back in the 60s & 70s the Fraudsters' father used to rant
about Japanese cars in the same vein-popping manner.
unsupported and incorrect opinion
Supporting evidence yerronner!
I was referring to your remark about Fraudsters comment
Post by alvey
1. "My dad hated Asians", Fraudster.
he wouldn't have liked being in Korea then
Post by alvey
2. Fraudster has made a considerable number of posts which easily
qualify as anti-Asian. (Will supply quotes upon request. And at
reasonable cost)
it's true that they're horrible drivers tho
Post by alvey
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Trevor Wilson
2024-12-13 03:12:35 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
 per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
**Or, for $65k, you get two things:

* An 82kWh battery.
* A terrified look on your wife's face, when you plant your right foot down.

Both are excellent reasons to buy this car:

https://bydautomotive.com.au/configurator/byd-seal?ref=website

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2024-12-13 03:30:59 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Current average is about 62KWh so 60KWh is near enough!
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
Yeah, pools suck! (electricity)
Post by Trevor Wilson
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
Numbers confuse Darren, he went to a tech school, remember? And failed!
Post by Trevor Wilson
 per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
More than adequate, even at his rate of usage.
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Noddy
2024-12-13 04:48:40 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
I didn't think there was a "typical" home battery. Most systems I've
seen are modular, in that you buy as much battery capacity as you need.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
I can't speak with authority about anyone but myself. Apparently you
aren't so disadvantaged :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
You keep repeating this, but I'm not seeing it. Which ones in particular
have "plumnmeted" in price?
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
Don't lecture me. We both know what's being discussed here. There is no
need to be a pedantic twat.
Post by Trevor Wilson
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Thanks, but no. I'm not interested in owning a Chinese vehicle.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
It might do for you. Probably wouldn't for others.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-12-13 05:10:18 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
I didn't think there was a "typical" home battery. Most systems I've
seen are modular, in that you buy as much battery capacity as you need.
**Most install around 15kWh.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful,
but most house owners would.
I can't speak with authority about anyone but myself. Apparently you
aren't so disadvantaged :)
**?
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have
big batteries. Even those with small batteries.
You keep repeating this, but I'm not seeing it. Which ones in particular
have "plumnmeted" in price?
**Tesla is the most popular BEV in Australia. The Model 3 has fallen
many thousands of Dollars in price since it was first released:

https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/tesla-cuts-prices-again-2024
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up
around 30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
  I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse
things otherwise.
Don't lecture me.
**Then use the correct terminology.

We both know what's being discussed here. There is no
Post by Noddy
need to be a pedantic twat.
**_I_ know what is being discussed. Apparently, you do not. The terms
kWh and kW are NOT interchangeable.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Thanks, but no. I'm not interested in owning a Chinese vehicle.
**Not yet. I can't say, as I have not driven a BYD yet. I have driven an
MG and found it extremely underwhelming. Still, buying a BYD to use as a
home battery means you get a free car. Pretty good deal.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a
60kWh battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful
the next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
It might do for you. Probably wouldn't for others.
**Sure. Nonetheless, buying a BYD is cheaper than buying a home battery.
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2024-12-13 06:12:55 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
I didn't think there was a "typical" home battery. Most systems I've
seen are modular, in that you buy as much battery capacity as you need.
**Most install around 15kWh.
As I said, most that I've seen are modular. The only limit to the
capacity is your bank balance.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have
big batteries. Even those with small batteries.
You keep repeating this, but I'm not seeing it. Which ones in
particular have "plumnmeted" in price?
**Tesla is the most popular BEV in Australia. The Model 3 has fallen
https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/tesla-cuts-prices-
again-2024
It's dropped 6 thousand bucks. Big whoop. Most over priced ICE cars go
through similar price cutting schemes when their sales start to stumble
a bit. Sure there has been some discounting in the EV field, but
claiming that prices are "plummeting" is stretching the truth just a tad.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse
things otherwise.
Don't lecture me.
**Then use the correct terminology.
Go fuck yourself. You're not my father :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
 We both know what's being discussed here. There is no
Post by Noddy
need to be a pedantic twat.
**_I_ know what is being discussed. Apparently, you do not. The terms
kWh and kW are NOT interchangeable.
Ok professor. Be as pedantic as you like. No one cares but you.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Thanks, but no. I'm not interested in owning a Chinese vehicle.
**Not yet. I can't say, as I have not driven a BYD yet. I have driven an
MG and found it extremely underwhelming. Still, buying a BYD to use as a
home battery means you get a free car. Pretty good deal.
Is it?

I think you have Christmas in your eyes when it comes to this stuff
Trevor, as you certainly seem to be missing a lot of the picture. It's
all very well to cite battery capacity of electric vehicles as a
convenient means of running your house at night, but the important
limitation that you're completely ignoring here (or are blissfully
unaware of) is that the 240v output of a car like the BYD is limited to
2.4kW which is the equivalent of a single Australian 240v power point.

Do you think you could run your entire house at night from a lead
plugged into a single power point Trevor?

If I were you I would do my homework *very* well indeed before I
invested 10 cents into this stuff, otherwise you may find yourself to be
bitterly disappointed.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 06:47:18 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular
whatever you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work
for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
I didn't think there was a "typical" home battery. Most systems I've
seen are modular, in that you buy as much battery capacity as you need.
**Most install around 15kWh.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful,
but most house owners would.
I can't speak with authority about anyone but myself. Apparently you
aren't so disadvantaged :)
**?
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly
low overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy
to pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have
big batteries. Even those with small batteries.
You keep repeating this, but I'm not seeing it. Which ones in
particular have "plumnmeted" in price?
**Tesla is the most popular BEV in Australia. The Model 3 has fallen
https://www.mynrma.com.au/electric-vehicles/news/tesla-cuts-prices-
again-2024
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average
daily household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that
taking place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up
around 30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
  I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse
things otherwise.
Don't lecture me.
**Then use the correct terminology.
 We both know what's being discussed here. There is no
Post by Noddy
need to be a pedantic twat.
**_I_ know what is being discussed. Apparently, you do not. The terms
kWh and kW are NOT interchangeable.
You will have to excuse Darren for he has had limited education. It
appears he would have been lucky to survive primary school arithmetic.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Thanks, but no. I'm not interested in owning a Chinese vehicle.
**Not yet. I can't say, as I have not driven a BYD yet. I have driven an
MG and found it extremely underwhelming. Still, buying a BYD to use as a
home battery means you get a free car. Pretty good deal.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a
60kWh battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful
the next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
A friend here (the outboard mechanic in fact) has gone off-grid with a
20 KWh battery and solar panels. That means a 10 KWh battery would
suffice for an on grid house.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
It might do for you. Probably wouldn't for others.
**Sure. Nonetheless, buying a BYD is cheaper than buying a home battery.
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alvey
2024-12-13 10:00:15 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful,
but most house owners would.
I can't speak with authority about anyone but myself. Apparently you
aren't so disadvantaged :)
WOW!! That is a solid gold keeper!

I just can't accept that the Fraud has finally given up his
'Spokesthing' tactic after ony half a million requests.
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2024-12-13 06:54:52 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Doesn't make much sense to me.
Your car is sitting at home all day being charged so you can't drive it
then you can't drive it at night because its powering your house.
Might work for someone who does very few km but they then wouldn't need
to buy an expensive EV just to sit in a garage most of the time.
A week ago I picked up 4 BYD branded solar batteries for my son,
apparently they are modular and stack on top of each other, I think they
were 1.5kWh each and my son's cost for 4 of them was $11k.
Don't know how much they retail for but it wouldn't be cheap, still
might be cheaper than buying a car just to use as battery storage and no
rego or insurance to pay.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
 per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
You wouldn't need anything that big just to power a house overnight, we
use less than 10kWh per day so even if all of that was at night 15kWh
would be enough for us.
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2024-12-13 11:47:13 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do
you use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful,
but most house owners would.
Doesn't make much sense to me.
There is a reason you're considered one half of the Dumb and Dumber show
in this group you know...
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2024-12-13 03:30:59 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was,
and neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
**Prolly around 60kWh. Or, around 4 times the size of a typical home
battery.
Current average is about 62KWh so 60KWh is near enough!
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the
exception rather than the rule.
**Imagine all you wish. Sure, unit dwellers may not find it useful, but
most house owners would.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely
curious.  From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for
people who didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low
overnight power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to
pay a lot for a car and the necessary charging equipment.
**Here's the thing: The cost of BEVs is plummeting. Fast. BEVs have big
batteries. Even those with small batteries.
Post by Noddy
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking
place at night.
**I assume you mean 35kWh? My average is around 20kWh. It was up around
30kWh, until I got rid of the pool.
Yeah, pools suck! (electricity)
Post by Trevor Wilson
 I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
Post by Noddy
80-120kW
**kWh? Please be more precise with your suffixes. It will confuse things
otherwise.
Numbers confuse Darren, he went to a tech school, remember? And failed!
Post by Trevor Wilson
 per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
**kWh?
 and I'm genuinely interested in in
Post by Noddy
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-3
Less than $48k and you get a 60kWh battery for free. Or you buy a 60kWh
battery and they throw a car in for free.
IMO, BYD will be one of the (few) survivors, after the CCP cuts tax
incentives and subsidies.
Post by Noddy
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested,
as I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the
house at night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the
next day.
**60kWh battery should do the trick.
More than adequate, even at his rate of usage.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 03:23:45 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
Yeah, okay, but I asked you what the "average" EV battery size was, and
neither of those two vehicles would qualify on that score. I was
thinking more along the lines of a Tesla 3, or in particular whatever
you were going to buy and see how well the idea would work for you.
60 KWh Darren, more than enough to be useful as a *home battery*.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
It probably would for some, but I would imagine they'd be the exception
rather than the rule.
He said it was the best way, not the way for everybody.
Post by Noddy
I wasn't having a go or dismissing the idea, but was genuinely curious.
You? Genuine? In *anything*? Hahahahaha
Post by Noddy
From what I can gather the idea would only make sense for people who
didn't use their car much during the day and had fairly low overnight
power requirements in their home *and* they were happy to pay a lot for
a car and the necessary charging equipment.
I don't know about your particular circumstances but my average daily
household power use is around 35kW, with almost all of that taking place
So a BEV would work for you, and you'd have some charge left over each
day. After all, you're home every day.
Post by Noddy
at night. I have 17kW of solar panels here generating anywhere between
80-120kW per day at this time of the year with the bulk being fed back
having some sort of storage capacity to avoid exporting my generated
power at a pittance of what I have to buy it for, but unfortunately
batteries are currently not the answer as it would cost 60 grand to
install enough battery capacity to meet my needs which is utterly
ridiculous.
So when you mentioned using an EV to run the house I was interested, as
You can get a BEV on a novated lease, big discounts available, and use
it *at home* as a big battery. That's what a neighbour of mine in
Melbourne used to do. He had novated leases on every car, used his ex
lease car for his commute, the new lease car was used by his wife as her
daily runaround. That worked for him because his ex-lease car was parked
for 1 month out of every two at Sale, Vic. while he worked offshore on
the rig. Everyone's circumstances are different.
Post by Noddy
I can't imagine a scenario whereby the car battery can run the house at
night and have enough left in reserve for it to be useful the next day.
Your arithmetic skills are lacking, I get that.

FWIW, Most people do not use their BEV much during the week, less than
20km each way is a typical commute.
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Keithr0
2024-12-14 05:10:02 UTC
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Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was
20 cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY bigger
than most home batteries.
A couple of problems there. First the Maccan starts at $128K, a bit more
than most people can afford. Secondly, if, as most people do, you want
to drive the car during the day, you incur a double penalty. Firstly,
you lose the energy that you use driving the car, secondly, you lose the
energy that you don't harvest because the car is not connected to the
panels.
Post by Trevor Wilson
 That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
Trevor Wilson
2024-12-14 05:35:59 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you
are a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it
was 20 cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
How big is the battery in your average EV, and how much power do you
use at night?
**The latest Porsche Maccan is 100kWh. Same as the Polestar. WAY
bigger than most home batteries.
A couple of problems there. First the Maccan starts at $128K, a bit more
than most people can afford.
**Then buy two BYDs. That'll give you 120kWh of batteries.

Secondly, if, as most people do, you want
Post by Keithr0
to drive the car during the day, you incur a double penalty.
**The average Aussie drives less than 40km per day. If I owned a Maccan,
it would stay in the garage 99% of the time.

Firstly,
Post by Keithr0
you lose the energy that you use driving the car, secondly, you lose the
energy that you don't harvest because the car is not connected to the
panels.
Post by Trevor Wilson
  That practice might work for you, but it's not "the best way"
Post by Noddy
for everyone.
**Sure, but it makes sense for many.
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2024-12-13 06:41:50 UTC
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Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess
solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than
equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
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Noddy
2024-12-13 06:46:01 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as they
have the output capacity of a single power point.

He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
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Xeno
2024-12-13 07:11:43 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as they
have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
If you have 3 phase, that's a different ball game. High speed charging
and high current output. Might pay you to get better acquainted with the
options.
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Daryl
2024-12-13 11:07:10 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as they
have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having a
solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the electronic
wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a battery you will
need to install a control box that turns the EV battery into an
electricity "grid".
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Daryl
2024-12-13 11:31:57 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having a
solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the electronic
wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a battery you will
need to install a control box that turns the EV battery into an
electricity "grid".
BTW up until very recently using an EV battery to power a house wasn't
allowed in Victoria.
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/electric-vehicles/bidirectional-charging-explained.html
According to the above the controller that allows vehicle to grid costs
about $10k and there is only a few EV's that can do it, that will likely
change and the cost will come down but it looks like its not worth it
right now.
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Noddy
2024-12-13 13:32:48 UTC
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Post by Daryl
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
BTW up until very recently using an EV battery to power a house wasn't
allowed in Victoria.
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/electric-vehicles/
bidirectional-charging-explained.html
According to the above the controller that allows vehicle to grid costs
about $10k and there is only a few EV's that can do it, that will likely
change and the cost will come down but it looks like its not worth it
right now.
No, I don't think it is either. As I said in another post, it's not
there yet and there are some hurdles to get over before it is.

Once again, Trevor is counting chickens. At least this time the eggs
have been laid :)
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2024-12-15 07:47:26 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Daryl
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a
solar battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
BTW up until very recently using an EV battery to power a house wasn't
allowed in Victoria.
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/electric-vehicles/
bidirectional-charging-explained.html
According to the above the controller that allows vehicle to grid
costs about $10k and there is only a few EV's that can do it, that
will likely change and the cost will come down but it looks like its
not worth it right now.
No, I don't think it is either. As I said in another post, it's not
there yet and there are some hurdles to get over before it is.
Once again, Trevor is counting chickens. At least this time the eggs
have been laid :)
Ah Darren, you are so so clever! Have you considered greasing yourself
up and slipping into the next world? You're way too clever for this one!
Oh look, there's your world right over there ---> Fantasyland
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 14:26:14 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a
solar battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
BTW up until very recently using an EV battery to power a house wasn't
allowed in Victoria.
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/electric-vehicles/bidirectional-charging-explained.html
According to the above the controller that allows vehicle to grid
costs about $10k and there is only a few EV's that can do it, that
will likely change and the cost will come down but it looks like its
not worth it right now.
which is what I said yesterday, but you weren't listening
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2024-12-13 13:30:56 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having a
solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the electronic
wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a battery you will
need to install a control box that turns the EV battery into an
electricity "grid".
It's not there yet.

There are three power formats when talking about EV's as a power source:
V2L which stands for "Vehicle to Load", V2H or "Vehicle to Home" and V2G
which is "vehicle to grid". Of these, the only one currently available
on new EV's sold in Australia is Vehicle to Load, and that's basically a
portable affair which is exactly the same as using a 240v inverter in a
regular 12V car. It's limited to what it can output, with most EV's
currently limited to 2.4kW which is the same as a regular single Aussie
power point and certainly not enough to power an entire house. Some are
rated at 3.6kW, but that's still not enough.

As usual Trevor waffles on about stuff that doesn't exist yet as if it's
up and running and can be purchased tomorrow, and this case is no
different. Vehicle to Home and Vehicle to Grid are coming, but they're
not here yet. They'll need new updated cars to enable that sort of tech,
and you'll also need a bidirectional charger wired into your house to be
able to use it. And at the moment the charger will put a 10 thousand
buck dent in your bank account plus whatever it costs to be installed :)

So, buy the time you do all the maths, such as the purchase price of the
car, the solar panel installation and the bidirectional charger &
installation, old Trevor is probably not going to see a lot of change
out of a hundred grand depending on what car he buys. Maybe more if it
goes a bit upmarket.

That's a hell of a lot of money just to go "green" and he certainly
won't break even on the cost of it all in his lifetime.
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2024-12-13 23:50:30 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
It's not there yet.
There are three power formats
Here we go, he's been Googling again.

Just provide your sources dickhead.
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2024-12-14 00:16:55 UTC
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There are three power formats
Here we go, he's been Googling again.
Just provide your sources dickhead.
What? And admit that he knows fa about something. I don't think that
will ever happen...



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Xeno
2024-12-14 04:47:49 UTC
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Post by Noddy
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a
solar battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
It's not there yet.
There are three power formats
Here we go, he's been Googling again.
Yup, you can always pick when he's been Googling.
Post by Clocky
Just provide your sources dickhead.
A quick look and you'll soon find his sources - copied verbatim.
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Daryl
2024-12-14 00:07:28 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
It's not there yet.
V2L which stands for "Vehicle to Load", V2H or "Vehicle to Home" and V2G
which is "vehicle to grid". Of these, the only one currently available
on new EV's sold in Australia is Vehicle to Load, and that's basically a
portable affair which is exactly the same as using a 240v inverter in a
regular 12V car. It's limited to what it can output, with most EV's
currently limited to 2.4kW which is the same as a regular single Aussie
power point and certainly not enough to power an entire house. Some are
rated at 3.6kW, but that's still not enough.
As usual Trevor waffles on about stuff that doesn't exist yet as if it's
up and running and can be purchased tomorrow, and this case is no
different. Vehicle to Home and Vehicle to Grid are coming, but they're
not here yet. They'll need new updated cars to enable that sort of tech,
and you'll also need a bidirectional charger wired into your house to be
able to use it. And at the moment the charger will put a 10 thousand
buck dent in your bank account plus whatever it costs to be installed :)
So, buy the time you do all the maths, such as the purchase price of the
car, the solar panel installation and the bidirectional charger &
installation, old Trevor is probably not going to see a lot of change
out of a hundred grand depending on what car he buys. Maybe more if it
goes a bit upmarket.
That's a hell of a lot of money just to go "green" and he certainly
won't break even on the cost of it all in his lifetime.
No way its economically viable at this point in time and it seems to be
a lot of effort for little if any gain.
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alvey
2024-12-14 00:18:19 UTC
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No way its economically viable at this point in time and it seems to be
a lot of effort for little if any gain.
Soo, just like conversing with Fraudster then...




alvey
Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 14:24:45 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He's not going to power anything with an electric car at night, as
they have the output capacity of a single power point.
He might be able to use it to run the beer fridge in his garage, but
that's about it :)
There is a system that allows an EV owner to connect the car to their
house, not something I've looked into but it works the same as having
a solar battery.
I'm guessing but I suspect for it to work you may need to have a solar
battery already installed then you will already have all the
electronic wizardry needed to make it work, if you don't have a
battery you will need to install a control box that turns the EV
battery into an electricity "grid".
you have to have the newer type chargers that send current both ways
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Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 06:52:55 UTC
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Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting
their excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance
costs than equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was
20 cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
not very far at all..
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stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.
Clocky
2024-12-13 07:03:39 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their
excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs
than equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
They do with 80+% remaining. Jesus wept you're thick.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 07:18:23 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting
their excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance
costs than equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was
20 cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
They do with 80+% remaining. Jesus wept you're thick.
He most certainly is!
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Mighty Mouse
2024-12-13 14:29:20 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting
their excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower
maintenance costs than equivalent internal combustion engine
vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you
are a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it
was 20 cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use
the power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during
the day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
They do with 80+% remaining. Jesus wept you're thick.
how does an EV run if the battery is flat?
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stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.
Xeno
2024-12-13 07:09:18 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their
vehicles, but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their
excess solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs
than equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are
a rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
**Correct. The best way is to charge an EV during the day and use the
power from the EV at night to power your home.
Then what do you do if you need to drive your EV especially during the
day, they don't go very far with a flat battery.
He *works from home*. What's more, many people have an EV as a second car.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Noddy
2024-12-12 22:14:15 UTC
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But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
When was it 20 cents? I was getting 66 cents per Kwh until last month
when he premium feed in tariff ended. It was great. It paid for my solar
system :)
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Daryl
2024-12-13 06:40:27 UTC
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Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess
solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than
equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
That's long gone.
I get 12 cents/kWh for the first 435 kWh in a month then 3.3 cents/kWh
for the rest of the month.
On my last bill I was paid $91.77 in Fits which mostly covers the $70.56
in "daily" charges and my solar is 11.2kw which is a lot bigger than most.
Anyone who thinks that their solar is going to fully charge for free an
EV that does average kms is in for a shock.
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Xeno
2024-12-13 07:15:00 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
https://aibe.uq.edu.au/article/2023/05/electric-vehicles-explained
"An EV owner who relies solely on electricity generated from their
rooftop solar wouldn’t be spending any money to power their vehicles,
but instead will receive less revenue from exporting their excess
solar to the grid. EVs also have 40% lower maintenance costs than
equivalent internal combustion engine vehicles".
hth
alvey
But you don't get much for exported excess nowadays. Only if you are a
rich bastard who installed panels back in the decade when it was 20
cents/kWh.
That's long gone.
I get 12 cents/kWh for the first 435 kWh in a month then 3.3 cents/kWh
for the rest of the month.
On my last bill I was paid $91.77 in Fits which mostly covers the $70.56
in "daily" charges and my solar is 11.2kw which is a lot bigger than most.
Anyone who thinks that their solar is going to fully charge for free an
EV that does average kms is in for a shock.
Average kilometres for most EVs is less than 50 km per day. The point
was already made that you could run the BEV for a week, then charge it
at the weekend.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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