VN V6 Head bolt sealer - confused (urgent)

[TJB]

Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks like the
stuff I was using 20 years ago! Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this just
loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff. I can't afford to take the heads
off, if one of the bolt leaks. Had a look at some permatex thread sealer
(not locker) but they're a 3 day cure can't wait that long.

Thanks for any help
TJB

[Noddy]

Post by TJB
Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks like the
stuff I was using 20 years ago!

And surprisingly it still works well today :)

Post by TJB
Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this just
loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff.

There is no "best" as it gets down to personal preference. All will work,
but their ability is limited by your own preparation. Ensuring the bolt
threads and holes are clean and dry before you apply the sealant and insert
the bolts will do wonders. If you've got a correct tap, run it through the
bolt holes to clean the threads, and touch the bolt threads over a wire buff
to clean them up. If you don't have those tools then do what you can to
ensure bolt the bolt threads and the holes are as clean as you can make
them.

Personally, I'd avoid using anything that sets *hard*, as it's usually an
incredibly great pain in the arse to remove a broken bolt at some future
point. The original old brown Holden "goop" works very well, and if you've
got some of that then it'll be fine.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[veritas]

Post by Noddy

Post by TJB
Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks like the
stuff I was using 20 years ago!

And surprisingly it still works well today :)

Post by TJB
Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this just
loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff.

There is no "best" as it gets down to personal preference. All will work,
but their ability is limited by your own preparation. Ensuring the bolt
threads and holes are clean and dry before you apply the sealant and insert
the bolts will do wonders. If you've got a correct tap, run it through the
bolt holes to clean the threads, and touch the bolt threads over a wire buff
to clean them up. If you don't have those tools then do what you can to
ensure bolt the bolt threads and the holes are as clean as you can make
them.
Personally, I'd avoid using anything that sets *hard*, as it's usually an
incredibly great pain in the arse to remove a broken bolt at some future
point. The original old brown Holden "goop" works very well, and if you've
got some of that then it'll be fine.

Have you tried Litharge And Glycerine! Best ever - just make sure you
sell the car on before having to undo it.

Litharge and Gasket Goo works well too.

[Noddy]

Post by veritas
Have you tried Litharge And Glycerine! Best ever - just make sure you
sell the car on before having to undo it.

Lol :)

No, I haven't, and I'd avoid setting bolts in concrete for exactly that
reason :)

Post by veritas
Litharge and Gasket Goo works well too.

The old original Holden thread sealant "goop" that looks and smells like
contact adhesive (and is about as easy to use) works very well, and is
pretty good value. A small can will last the average bloke about 800 years.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[TJB]

Post by Noddy

Post by veritas
Have you tried Litharge And Glycerine! Best ever - just make sure
you sell the car on before having to undo it.

Lol :)
No, I haven't, and I'd avoid setting bolts in concrete for exactly
that reason :)

Post by veritas
Litharge and Gasket Goo works well too.

The old original Holden thread sealant "goop" that looks and smells
like contact adhesive (and is about as easy to use) works very well,
and is pretty good value. A small can will last the average bloke
about 800 years.
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Noddy can't remember but does that holden stuff set like rubber/gum?

Thanks for your help
TJB

[Noddy]

Post by TJB
Noddy can't remember but does that holden stuff set like rubber/gum?

Pretty much.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[TJB]

Post by Noddy

Post by TJB
Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks
like the stuff I was using 20 years ago!

And surprisingly it still works well today :)

Post by TJB
Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this just
loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff.

There is no "best" as it gets down to personal preference. All will
work, but their ability is limited by your own preparation. Ensuring
the bolt threads and holes are clean and dry before you apply the
sealant and insert the bolts will do wonders. If you've got a correct
tap, run it through the bolt holes to clean the threads, and touch the
bolt threads over a wire buff to clean them up. If you don't have
those tools then do what you can to ensure bolt the bolt threads and
the holes are as clean as you can make them.
Personally, I'd avoid using anything that sets *hard*, as it's usually
an incredibly great pain in the arse to remove a broken bolt at some
future point. The original old brown Holden "goop" works very well,
and if you've got some of that then it'll be fine.
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Thanks Noddy,
I'm leaning towards using the Holdens stuff only because I think I
can liberally coat the bolt threads. Not sure what happens if I do that
with loctite, might be tough to pull it apart. Unfortunately I don't
have a tap (looks like 7/16UNC) so I have just run a bolt through the
holes coated in brake cleaner. then pushed a rag around each hole,
finally sprayed them with brake cleaner. Hopefully that will get most of
the crap out of the hole.

Cheers
TJB

[TJB]

Post by TJB

Post by Noddy

Post by TJB
Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks
like the stuff I was using 20 years ago!

And surprisingly it still works well today :)

Post by TJB
Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this
just loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff.

There is no "best" as it gets down to personal preference. All will
work, but their ability is limited by your own preparation. Ensuring
the bolt threads and holes are clean and dry before you apply the
sealant and insert the bolts will do wonders. If you've got a correct
tap, run it through the bolt holes to clean the threads, and touch
the bolt threads over a wire buff to clean them up. If you don't have
those tools then do what you can to ensure bolt the bolt threads and
the holes are as clean as you can make them.
Personally, I'd avoid using anything that sets *hard*, as it's
usually an incredibly great pain in the arse to remove a broken bolt
at some future point. The original old brown Holden "goop" works very
well, and if you've got some of that then it'll be fine.
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Thanks Noddy,
I'm leaning towards using the Holdens stuff only because I think I
can liberally coat the bolt threads. Not sure what happens if I do
that with loctite, might be tough to pull it apart. Unfortunately I
don't have a tap (looks like 7/16UNC) so I have just run a bolt
through the holes coated in brake cleaner. then pushed a rag around
each hole, finally sprayed them with brake cleaner. Hopefully that
will get most of the crap out of the hole.
Cheers
TJB

Do I need to do anything special when installing the old bolts, i.e. a
dash of oil on the bottom of the bolt head to ensure correct torque?

TJB

[F Murtz]

Post by TJB

Post by TJB

Post by Noddy

Post by TJB
Sealing head bolts; guys I been told I should use Holdens 3835215 sealer on
the VN V6 head bolts, this looks like brownish liquid. This looks
like the stuff I was using 20 years ago!

And surprisingly it still works well today :)

Post by TJB
Gregory's from memory says loctite
242.Someone else said I should be using Holden's HN1256 (is this
just loctite/permatex blue by another name)?
Help what is the proper stuff/ best stuff.

There is no "best" as it gets down to personal preference. All will
work, but their ability is limited by your own preparation. Ensuring
the bolt threads and holes are clean and dry before you apply the
sealant and insert the bolts will do wonders. If you've got a correct
tap, run it through the bolt holes to clean the threads, and touch
the bolt threads over a wire buff to clean them up. If you don't have
those tools then do what you can to ensure bolt the bolt threads and
the holes are as clean as you can make them.
Personally, I'd avoid using anything that sets *hard*, as it's
usually an incredibly great pain in the arse to remove a broken bolt
at some future point. The original old brown Holden "goop" works very
well, and if you've got some of that then it'll be fine.
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Thanks Noddy,
I'm leaning towards using the Holdens stuff only because I think I
can liberally coat the bolt threads. Not sure what happens if I do
that with loctite, might be tough to pull it apart. Unfortunately I
don't have a tap (looks like 7/16UNC) so I have just run a bolt
through the holes coated in brake cleaner. then pushed a rag around
each hole, finally sprayed them with brake cleaner. Hopefully that
will get most of the crap out of the hole.
Cheers
TJB

Do I need to do anything special when installing the old bolts, i.e. a
dash of oil on the bottom of the bolt head to ensure correct torque?
TJB

Not if you are using sealer you should use a solvent cleaner to remove
all oil.

[TJB]

Post by F Murtz

...

Not if you are using sealer you should use a solvent cleaner to remove
all oil.

Not sure what you mean? Brake cleaner is a very effective oil, grease etc
cleaner. WRT the oil I meant on the underside of the bolt head to help it
slide easier.

TJB

[F Murtz]

Post by TJB

Post by F Murtz

...

Not if you are using sealer you should use a solvent cleaner to remove
all oil.

Not sure what you mean? Brake cleaner is a very effective oil, grease etc
cleaner. WRT the oil I meant on the underside of the bolt head to help it
slide easier.
TJB

Ok thought you meant the thread.

[Noddy]

Post by TJB
Do I need to do anything special when installing the old bolts, i.e. a
dash of oil on the bottom of the bolt head to ensure correct torque?

That certainly won't do any harm.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[jonz]

Post by Noddy

Post by TJB
Do I need to do anything special when installing the old bolts, i.e. a
dash of oil on the bottom of the bolt head to ensure correct torque?

That certainly won't do any harm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
won`t do any harm?...thats a basic, taught to first year
apprentices...and you say "That certainly won't do any harm." it`s a
basic! nonutz..........

Post by Noddy
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

Post by TJB
I'm leaning towards using the Holdens stuff only because I think I
can liberally coat the bolt threads. Not sure what happens if I do that
with loctite, might be tough to pull it apart.

You don't need to go ape shit with the stuff.

Just dunk the bolt in the can so the threads are immersed in the stuff, wipe
the excess off the threads on the side of the can and then install the bolt
right away.

--
Regards,
Noddy.