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MGs Pretty Little Thing
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alvey
2024-07-23 01:48:22 UTC
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They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.

https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau



alvey
Mighty Mouse
2024-07-23 04:40:30 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
who woulda thunk it back in the day
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Ozix
2024-07-23 10:12:41 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
A two-seater that weighs as much as a Chrysler 300, I'll pass on that.
Keithr0
2024-07-24 06:54:03 UTC
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Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
A two-seater that weighs as much as a Chrysler 300, I'll pass on that.
Looks like a teen age boy's wet dream.

"Drawing a number of styling cues from the classic MGB Roadster while
also ushering in new high-tech features, including an interactive gaming
cockpit and 5G connectivity."

Looks nothing like an MG-B. Interactive gaming cockpit? It looks like it
has an X-Box for when you get bored with driving the hideous thing. It
has 5G connectivity, but no AI, so a bit short on buzz words. All style
and no substance, bet it handles like a 3 legged cow.

"Other striking details of the MG Cyberster are the 'laser belt' LED
strip down the side of the car and the outline of the door, which
follows the direction of the LED strip." Words fail me.

Should do well in China, they like gaudy things like that with lots of
LEDs.
lindsay
2024-07-24 10:26:48 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
A two-seater that weighs as much as a Chrysler 300, I'll pass on that.
Looks like a teen age boy's wet dream.
nice shiny red paint doesnt cover the fact it's fucking chinese.
Post by Keithr0
"Drawing a number of styling cues from the classic MGB Roadster while
also ushering in new high-tech features, including an interactive gaming
cockpit and 5G connectivity."
A gaming cockpit? Play need for speed while driving? Woot!
Keithr0
2024-07-24 11:03:18 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
A two-seater that weighs as much as a Chrysler 300, I'll pass on that.
Looks like a teen age boy's wet dream.
nice shiny red paint doesnt cover the fact it's fucking chinese.
Post by Keithr0
"Drawing a number of styling cues from the classic MGB Roadster while
also ushering in new high-tech features, including an interactive
gaming cockpit and 5G connectivity."
A gaming cockpit? Play need for speed while driving? Woot!
I was thinking more of Grand Theft Auto.
alvey
2024-07-24 07:02:07 UTC
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Post by Ozix
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
A two-seater that weighs as much as a Chrysler 300, I'll pass on that.
Well the Chrysler certainly won't pass it...


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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-24 09:15:11 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo, with
way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter. Way less
fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me started on
the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash layout, etc,
etc. POS.

OTOH, this has my juices flowing:

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/

Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.

I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the range.
Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
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alvey
2024-07-24 21:33:18 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo, with
way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter. Way less
fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me started on
the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash layout, etc,
etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than a
couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least) the
MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.

I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the range.
Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...



alvey
Mighty Mouse
2024-07-24 23:17:52 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Post by alvey
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alvey
2024-07-24 23:38:34 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
Mighty Mouse
2024-07-25 00:06:49 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
could be. but the impression is that the engine spins (much?) more
freely and gear changes are smoother, as is the driving experience
overall. acceleration seemed worse and gear changes less smooth before.
but as you say, I could have just got used to it. but still I feel
there's been improvement.
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Clocky
2024-07-25 01:05:12 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
could be. but the impression is that the engine spins (much?) more
freely and gear changes are smoother, as is the driving experience
overall. acceleration seemed worse and gear changes less smooth before.
but as you say, I could have just got used to it. but still I feel
there's been improvement.
The car may have adapted to your driving style.
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2024-07-25 01:46:58 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-
first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
could be. but the impression is that the engine spins (much?) more
freely and gear changes are smoother, as is the driving experience
overall. acceleration seemed worse and gear changes less smooth before.
but as you say, I could have just got used to it. but still I feel
there's been improvement.
Maybe your expectations have been lowered.
Xeno
2024-07-25 02:06:07 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of
way more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian- first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
could be. but the impression is that the engine spins (much?) more
freely and gear changes are smoother, as is the driving experience
overall. acceleration seemed worse and gear changes less smooth
before. but as you say, I could have just got used to it. but still I
feel there's been improvement.
Maybe your expectations have been lowered.
The reverse in fact - the car has adapted to his expectations.
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Noddy
2024-07-25 04:07:24 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
could be. but the impression is that the engine spins (much?) more
freely and gear changes are smoother, as is the driving experience
overall. acceleration seemed worse and gear changes less smooth
before. but as you say, I could have just got used to it. but still I
feel there's been improvement.
Maybe your expectations have been lowered.
I expect his expectations were lowered as soon as he signed the contract
to buy the thing :)
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Xeno
2024-07-25 00:29:59 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
More likely it has adjusted its engine management to Felix’ driving style.
After all, every car these days has an adaptive engine management system.
It likely has a built in run-in mode programmed in too.

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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-25 00:50:50 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
More likely it has adjusted its engine management to Felix’ driving style.
After all, every car these days has an adaptive engine management system.
so how does that work then? does it change the gear change points?
Post by Xeno
It likely has a built in run-in mode programmed in too.
in what way does that differ from normal mode?
Post by Xeno
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2024-07-25 02:04:51 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
my ZS has noticeably better performance now that it has 8k on the clock
Alternatively... You've adjusted your driving style to it...
More likely it has adjusted its engine management to Felix’ driving style.
After all, every car these days has an adaptive engine management system.
so how does that work then? does it change the gear change points?
No, that would be the TCM's (trans control module) job. Yes, the
transmission is also adaptive and it could keep the revs a little
higher. That said, shift *timing* is critical in step ATs. It's shift
timing that makes the difference between sport and economy mode and this
shift timing is, to a degree, independent of engine RPM.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7978232
Abstract:
Shift quality and shift time of the automatic transmission
is required to be consistent in mass production and with
mileage accumulation. In order to compensate for the
influence of build-to-build variations and life-cycle
variations on shifting process, there should be an adaptive
control in the software in addition to the base control of
the shifting process. The adaptive control can adjust
control parameters to compensate for the variations of
physical characteristics. Thus shift quality will be
improved step by step through the learning process. Some
adaptive control methods are proposed in this paper. In
torque phase, the adaptive strategy tries to keep the
clutch slip in a small range to avoid clutch tie-up and
engine flare. In inertia phase, the adaptive strategy
tries to keep the time of the speed synchronization
process in a proper range to avoid a long shifting time or
a shifting impact. Vehicle tests verified that this
adaptive control strategy can effectively eliminate the
engine flare, and the clutch tie-up in power on up shift
and to get a better shift quality and proper shift time.

Adaptive engine and trans management is the best thing in automotive.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
It likely has a built in run-in mode programmed in too.
in what way does that differ from normal mode?
Usually a richer, hence cooler combustion, mode - for a start. Timing
variation. The Kluger does it, and quite noticeably too, up to ~10,000
km. So, on a Kluger, the fuel consumption is heavier for the first 10k,
then it suddenly settles down once beyond that mark.

Programmable transmissions make such variations simply a programming
issue and, in the process, simplified the hydraulic circuitry a hell of
a lot.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-25 21:19:21 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo, with
way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter. Way less
fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me started on
the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash layout,
etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than a
couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least) the
MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
**All Chinese. No thanks. Korean or Japanese for me.
Post by alvey
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
*I did (and still) consider the Polestar as a possibility. I just wish
someone (other than Porsche) made a BEV station waggon. I betcha Audi
would make a beaut.
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the range.
Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
**I get you.
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**All Chinese. No thanks. Korean or Japanese for me.
Yep. Stick with the quality and let the people chasing the lowest prices
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Xeno
2024-07-26 08:14:45 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**All Chinese. No thanks. Korean or Japanese for me.
Yep. Stick with the quality and let the people chasing the lowest prices
deal with the also rans.
Ah, so that explain why you went with a Ford - you like being with the also
rams. Got it!

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2024-07-26 05:22:59 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and MG's
are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's criteria
is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
Post by alvey
alvey
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2024-07-26 06:40:44 UTC
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obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and MG's
are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion. Many would disagree with you.
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2024-07-26 08:06:15 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a sound
basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what car is),
and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
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2024-07-26 09:01:00 UTC
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obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a sound
basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what car is),
and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how much
you want it to be so.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
I didn't say me. Read some reviews. People who drive and test cars for a
living. You'll find more who dislike the things than like them.
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2024-07-26 10:02:20 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how much
you want it to be so.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
I didn't say me.
Yep. Given your tediously consistent & lengthy history of bagging MGs
that's a superflous requirement.
Post by Noddy
Read some reviews.
You've previously stated that you have a low opinion of motoring journos
and that you don't read their reviews, yet here you are...
Post by Noddy
People who drive and test cars for a
living. You'll find more who dislike the things than like them.
... nominating them as a reliable source. Not very consistent are you
Fraudster.



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2024-07-26 11:06:22 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
I didn't say me.
Yep. Given your tediously consistent & lengthy history of bagging MGs
that's a superflous requirement.
Post by Noddy
Read some reviews.
You've previously stated that you have a low opinion of motoring
journos and that you don't read their reviews, yet here you are...
Post by Noddy
People who drive and test cars for a living. You'll find more who
dislike the things than like them.
... nominating them as a reliable source. Not very consistent are you
Fraudster.
he likes to be difficult and contrary
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alvey
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2024-07-26 10:43:55 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how much
you want it to be so.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
I didn't say me. Read some reviews. People who drive and test cars for a
Of course not, you lie!
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living. You'll find more who dislike the things than like them.
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2024-07-26 11:04:49 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact

EOS
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Many would disagree with you.
you always do
I didn't say me. Read some reviews. People who drive and test cars for
a living. You'll find more who dislike the things than like them.
well they're one of the top selling cars, so a lot of cars buyers like them
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2024-07-26 23:23:26 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.

1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-27 00:48:40 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue.
and MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect
(what car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any
means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
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2024-07-27 02:00:41 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue.
and MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect
(what car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any
means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
Especially since the ideals of perfection and what is bad are very
subjective in the first instance.
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2024-07-27 03:22:31 UTC
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obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue.
and MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect
(what car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by
any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
Especially since the ideals of perfection and what is bad are very
subjective in the first instance.
exactly
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2024-07-27 03:42:21 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
Especially since the ideals of perfection and what is bad are very
subjective in the first instance.
exactly
For fuck's sake Felix, opinions are all about subjectivity. What Mental
case has just said confirms what I told you, in that whether the car is
"not bad" is a matter of *opinion*.

*JESUS* you are a fucking moron.....
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Daryl
2024-07-27 04:56:02 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish
between fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
Especially since the ideals of perfection and what is bad are very
subjective in the first instance.
exactly
For fuck's sake Felix, opinions are all about subjectivity. What Mental
case has just said confirms what I told you, in that whether the car is
"not bad" is a matter of *opinion*.
It also depends on what he means by "not a bad car".
If it starts and gets him to and from where he wants to go then that may
be enough to satisfy him, judging by his previous cars he isn't all that
fussy.
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2024-07-27 07:09:15 UTC
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For fuck's sake Felix, opinions are all about subjectivity. What
Mental case has just said confirms what I told you, in that whether
the car is "not bad" is a matter of *opinion*.
It also depends on what he means by "not a bad car".
If it starts and gets him to and from where he wants to go then that may
be enough to satisfy him, judging by his previous cars he isn't all that
fussy.
That's exactly right. *He* likes it and that's all that should matter to
him. But his claim of "It's not a bad car" being a "fact" is utter
nonsense. In his opinion it's not a bad car, but to others it may be a
horrid little heap of shit.

There is nothing factual about that other than each person having their
own opinion of it.
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alvey
2024-07-27 07:03:53 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish
between fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
Especially since the ideals of perfection and what is bad are very
subjective in the first instance.
exactly
For fuck's sake Felix, opinions are all about subjectivity. What Mental
case has just said confirms what I told you, in that whether the car is
"not bad" is a matter of *opinion*.
*JESUS* you are a fucking moron.....
Well derr. 'Opinions are subjective'. No shit Sherlock.

Unfortunately for you Fraudster, opinions, like the animals of Animal
Farm, aren't all equal. For instance, not many people would value the
opinion of a compulsive liar, raging hypocrite, spineless coward and
abusive, inarticulate gobshite as highly as, sayyy a steaming fresh cow
turd.


hth



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2024-07-27 02:24:48 UTC
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1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
ROTFL :)

The difference between Felix and a computer is that information only has
to be punched into a computer once :)
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2024-07-27 02:26:27 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
ROTFL :)
The difference between Felix and a computer is that information only has
to be punched into a computer once :)
And you are the perfect example of GIGO.
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2024-07-27 03:28:20 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish
between fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
ROTFL :)
The difference between Felix and a computer is that information only
has to be punched into a computer once :)
And you are the perfect example of GIGO.
recently he called some facts you stated just opinion, and I went to
great pains to prove they were facts, which was obvious that they were
to anyone with at least half a brain anyway. but when he was soundly
proven wrong, did he admit it? no.
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2024-07-27 03:46:14 UTC
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recently he called some facts you stated just opinion, and I went to
great pains to prove they were facts, which was obvious that they were
to anyone with at least half a brain anyway. but when he was soundly
proven wrong, did he admit it? no.
This has been said to you before, and it apparently doesn't matter how
many times it is as you'll never understand it. You have never proved a
single thing as being *factual*. All you've ever done is echo what
you've been told, and insist that it's a fact because it's been said.

That is not a fact. It's not even close to being a fact. However what
*is* a fact is that you are completely oblivious to any of it and simply
do not appreciate the distinction between fact and opinion.

EOS.
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alvey
2024-07-27 21:35:03 UTC
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recently he called some facts you stated just opinion, and I went to
great pains to prove they were facts, which was obvious that they were
to anyone with at least half a brain anyway. but when he was soundly
proven wrong, did he admit it? no.
This has been said to you before, and it apparently doesn't matter how
many times it is as you'll never understand it. You have never proved a
single thing as being *factual*. All you've ever done is echo what
you've been told, and insist that it's a fact because it's been said.
That is not a fact. It's not even close to being a fact. However what
*is* a fact is that you are completely oblivious to any of it and simply
do not appreciate the distinction between fact and opinion.
LOL!

How about the distinction between fact and fantasy Fraudster? Buffoon.



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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 00:23:55 UTC
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recently he called some facts you stated just opinion, and I went to
great pains to prove they were facts, which was obvious that they
were to anyone with at least half a brain anyway. but when he was
soundly proven wrong, did he admit it? no.
This has been said to you before, and it apparently doesn't matter
how many times it is as you'll never understand it. You have never
proved a single thing as being *factual*. All you've ever done is
echo what you've been told, and insist that it's a fact because it's
been said.
this is what noddy says is 'not even close' to being factual..
.............................................................
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Post by Mighty Mouse
The odd thing here is that Clocky and I have never made
ourselves out to be metal fab or vehicle body builders. But I do
understand vehicle chassis structures and the LC200 chassis is
exceedingly strong. The mere fact that you can uprate the tow rating to
4000+ kg and the ball downforce to 400+ kg without any chassis
modifications tell me that chassis would have to be extremely overloaded
to cause damage. A 1200 kg dog wash trailer won't cut it.
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
some more facts there for you noddy. you know, the things you hate..
You mean more *opinion* Felix. There is nothing "factual"
his stupidity knows no bounds..
Does it?
Just to make sure I'm fully on point with this Felix, could you take
a moment to point out the actual facts here? And by "Felix", I mean you.
Not people answering on your behalf.
Post by Noddy
Any time you like will be fine.....
1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg
without chassis modifications
3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be uprated to
400+ kg without chassis modifications
4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
............................................................

if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious, which of
these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely be considered
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Post by Noddy
That is not a fact. It's not even close to being a fact. However what
*is* a fact is that you are completely oblivious to any of it and
simply do not appreciate the distinction between fact and opinion.
LOL!
How about the distinction between fact and fantasy Fraudster? Buffoon.
he's completely oblivious to that distinction
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2024-07-28 01:36:20 UTC
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1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body builder tradespersons
2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg without chassis modifications
3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be uprated to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not cause damage to the vehicle
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word you're
looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
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which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
be considered
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opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.

Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not in
dispute. However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any
bearing on the fault in any way.

Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think* is
the case. It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero
experience in failure analysis related to this particular field your
unqualified opinion is worth about as much as my next door neighbour's dog.

Do you understand this, Felix? Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can
remotely be considered opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing
*other* than an opinion. It is based on nothing. There is nothing
factual about it whatsoever.

For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much stupid
into one fucking head.

*Jesus*.....
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alvey
2024-07-28 02:38:38 UTC
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 > 1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
 > 2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg
without chassis modifications
 > 3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be uprated
to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
 > 4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
 >
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word you're
looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
I'm not going to tell him. You can have that joy felix...



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 > 1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
 > 2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg
without chassis modifications
 > 3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be
uprated to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
 > 4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
 >
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
I'm not going to tell him. You can have that joy felix...
thanks. I did. and I credited you..
Post by alvey
alvey
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 02:56:01 UTC
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Post by Noddy
 > 1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
 > 2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg
without chassis modifications
 > 3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be uprated
to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
 > 4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
 >
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
no, I like alvey's version..
Post by Noddy
 > which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
be considered
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something doesn't
mean it's true"
Post by Noddy
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not in
dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were wrong
and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Post by Noddy
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any bearing
on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
Post by Noddy
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero experience
in failure analysis related to this particular field your unqualified
opinion is worth about as much as my next door neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Noddy
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
Post by Noddy
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much stupid
into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
Post by Noddy
*Jesus*.....
apocalyptic prophet killed by the Romans circa 30 ad. was there some
point you were making?
--
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Xeno
2024-07-28 03:33:53 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
 > 1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
 > 2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+ kg
without chassis modifications
 > 3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be uprated
to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
 > 4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
 >
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
no, I like alvey's version..
Post by Noddy
 > which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
be considered
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something doesn't
mean it's true"
And if Darren said it, odds on bet it's a *lie*.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not in
dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were wrong
and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Point 4 is also a fact. A 1200 kg trailer would not cause damage to a
vehicle that has a 3x safety margin over and above any built in *factory
margin*.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any bearing
on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
Post by Noddy
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero experience
in failure analysis related to this particular field your unqualified
opinion is worth about as much as my next door neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Noddy
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
Post by Mighty Mouse
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
Post by Noddy
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much stupid
into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
And Darren keeps on trying to squeeze more *stupid* into that head of
his - and succeeding what's more!
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
*Jesus*.....
apocalyptic prophet killed by the Romans circa 30 ad. was there some
point you were making?
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 03:49:51 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
 > 1. neither Clocky or Xeno are metal fabrication or vehicle body
builder tradespersons
 > 2. the tow rating on the LC200 chassis can be uprated to 4000+
kg without chassis modifications
 > 3. the downforce on the towball on the LC200 series can be
uprated to 400+ kg without chassis modifications
 > 4. in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not
cause damage to the vehicle
 >
............................................................
if something is true, it's a fact. so please, tell us jeanious,
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
no, I like alvey's version..
Post by Noddy
 > which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can
remotely be considered
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something
doesn't mean it's true"
And if Darren said it, odds on bet it's a *lie*.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not
in dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were
wrong and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Point 4 is also a fact. A 1200 kg trailer would not cause damage to a
vehicle that has a 3x safety margin over and above any built in
*factory margin*.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any
bearing on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
Post by Noddy
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero
experience in failure analysis related to this particular field your
unqualified opinion is worth about as much as my next door
neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Noddy
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
Post by Xeno
Post by Mighty Mouse
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
Post by Noddy
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much
stupid into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
And Darren keeps on trying to squeeze more *stupid* into that head of
his - and succeeding what's more!
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
*Jesus*.....
apocalyptic prophet killed by the Romans circa 30 ad. was there some
point you were making?
--
Have a nice day!..
Noddy
2024-07-28 04:33:26 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)

Of *course* it does, Felix. Anything the irrelevant shit stain says
makes sense to you. If he'd said eating black jellybeans will make your
cock grow a couple of inches and make you live longer you'd be off to
the shops to get a kilo bag.
--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Xeno
2024-07-28 04:47:28 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix. Anything the irrelevant shit stain says
makes sense to you. If he'd said eating black jellybeans will make your
cock grow a couple of inches and make you live longer you'd be off to
the shops to get a kilo bag.
You missed the analysis. Note his words!
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 05:29:11 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
--
Have a nice day!..
Noddy
2024-07-28 07:21:01 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)

Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep rehashing
it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken about before.
I don't know whether you do that because you're genuinely retarded and
can't remember what was said to you an hour ago, or whether you just
ignore what's been said and just keep regurgitating the same shit
because it gives you something to piss and moan about.

I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way I'm
not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to a
retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.

Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Xeno
2024-07-28 07:41:00 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep rehashing
it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken about before.
I don't know whether you do that because you're genuinely retarded and
can't remember what was said to you an hour ago, or whether you just
ignore what's been said and just keep regurgitating the same shit
because it gives you something to piss and moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way I'm
not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to a
retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
Come on Darren, *prove me wrong*. Don't admit defeat so soon!
--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
alvey
2024-07-28 08:45:33 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep rehashing
it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken about before.
I don't know whether you do that because you're genuinely retarded and
can't remember what was said to you an hour ago, or whether you just
ignore what's been said and just keep regurgitating the same shit
because it gives you something to piss and moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way I'm
not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to a
retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
You fail to win an truly trivial argument so you abuse, whine, play the
paranoia card and finally, huff off. Have you thought of getting a new
hobby? This one just doesn't suit you.



alvey
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 08:55:37 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep
rehashing it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken
about before. I don't know whether you do that because you're
genuinely retarded and can't remember what was said to you an hour
ago, or whether you just ignore what's been said and just keep
regurgitating the same shit because it gives you something to piss and
moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way
I'm not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to
a retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
translation: I know I was wrong but I've exhausted every means of trying
to bluff my way out of admitting it, so I'll just fling some more
insults and piss off
--
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alvey
2024-07-28 09:42:23 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep
rehashing it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken
about before. I don't know whether you do that because you're
genuinely retarded and can't remember what was said to you an hour
ago, or whether you just ignore what's been said and just keep
regurgitating the same shit because it gives you something to piss and
moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way
I'm not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to
a retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
translation: I know I was wrong but I've exhausted every means of trying
to bluff my way out of admitting it, so I'll just fling some more
insults and piss off
You've got 'im by the balls here felix. He can't put you in his mighty
kf cos then he'd be unable to 'legitimately' respond to everyone. Hoist
by his own retard as it were...



alvey
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Clocky
2024-07-28 10:21:42 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep
rehashing it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken
about before. I don't know whether you do that because you're
genuinely retarded and can't remember what was said to you an hour
ago, or whether you just ignore what's been said and just keep
regurgitating the same shit because it gives you something to piss and
moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way
I'm not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to
a retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
translation: I know I was wrong but I've exhausted every means of trying
to bluff my way out of admitting it, so I'll just fling some more
insults and piss off
Bingo felix.
--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
Clocky
2024-07-28 10:20:57 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Xeno
Nope, 3 times safety margin on top of the built in factory safety margin.
makes sense to me
ROTFL :)
Of *course* it does, Felix.
prove him wrong
ROTFL :)
Felix, fuck off. This has been done to death and you just keep rehashing
it as if it's a whole new subject that's never been spoken about before.
I don't know whether you do that because you're genuinely retarded and
can't remember what was said to you an hour ago, or whether you just
ignore what's been said and just keep regurgitating the same shit
because it gives you something to piss and moan about.
I suspect there's a little bit of both going on here, but either way I'm
not interested in repeating myself in the same way. Especially to a
retarded sock puppet who is too fucking stupid to understand what's
being said.
Stick with the mental case. He'll guide you.
So you can't refute any of the four *FACTS* and resort to your usual MO.

You lose again bozo.
--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
Noddy
2024-07-28 03:58:46 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
no, I like alvey's version..
Do ya? Is that because he sticks his fist up your arse and makes your
mouth move as well?
Post by Mighty Mouse
which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
Post by Noddy
be considered
Post by Mighty Mouse
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something doesn't
mean it's true"
"Relevance" is apparently something you're not big on as well....
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not in
dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were wrong
and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Yet again you demonstrate that you have absolutely zero ability to
follow even the most basic of conversations. Just to clue you in, what
was "disagreed" was not whether a bunch of irrelevant dot points were
"facts", but the mental case's ability to diagnose a problem on a
vehicle he had never so much as been in the same state as.

It may come as a shock to you to actually learn Felix, but the *only*
people who believe they can accurately perform detailed failure analysis
on things they've never personally examined themselves are the clueless
internet experts who are desperately trying to impress their even *more*
clueless disciples :)
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any bearing
on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not cause damage to the vehicle
This was *your* opinion, and you stated it as such a number of times. It
was an argument put forward by *you*. But now you seem to be saying that
it *wasn't* your argument at all, and in fact all you were doing was
your regular sock puppet routine where you just echo whatever Jerky and
the mental case say without having any idea what it is they're on about.

Is that what you were doing? If so, the fuck are you going on about it now?
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
You made the claim in a number of posts. Whether it was your claim
originally or not is irrelevant. You repeated it a number of times
without citing it as a quote from someone else. In other words, you
presented it as an argument that you either made originally, or agreed with.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero experience
in failure analysis related to this particular field your unqualified
opinion is worth about as much as my next door neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Noddy
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
That's usually the stance you take whenever you've been shown to be the
nonsensical imbecile that you are.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
I thought you said it wasn't your argument? If that's the case, then how
would you know? Still, if you reckon it is, then do us all a favour and
take a moment to explain exactly how any of this is factual in any way.

Present evidence to support your case....
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
No Felix, it is not. Not even remotely. It is nothing but conjecture,
and that is *not* factual.

You're *way* out of your depth here, pal. You have absolutely no fucking
idea what you're talking about, and the moronic ramblings of the mental
case are not going to save you.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much stupid
into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
Uh-huh. Yeah, sure Felix. Tell us all again how you thought lighters
would actually work without any kind of fuel, or how you couldn't even
buy the correct coolant for your car *despite* reading the label which
told you the type you bought was unsuitable for your needs?

"Stupid", as a term, doesn't not go anywhere near far enough to describe
you. I don't know what term actually does, but whatever it is you're the
perfect definition of if.
--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.
Xeno
2024-07-28 04:34:03 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
In what must be this week's best dose of irony, I think the word
you're looking for there Felix is "genius" :)
no, I like alvey's version..
Do ya? Is that because he sticks his fist up your arse and makes your
mouth move as well?
You really do need to see someone about this anal fixation of yours!
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
Post by Noddy
be considered
Post by Mighty Mouse
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something
doesn't mean it's true"
"Relevance" is apparently something you're not big on as well....
And relevance (to the automotive trade) is definitely an alien concept
for you.
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not in
dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were
wrong and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Yet again you demonstrate that you have absolutely zero ability to
follow even the most basic of conversations. Just to clue you in, what
was "disagreed" was not whether a bunch of irrelevant dot points were
"facts", but the mental case's ability to diagnose a problem on a
vehicle he had never so much as been in the same state as.
It may come as a shock to you to actually learn Felix, but the *only*
people who believe they can accurately perform detailed failure analysis
on things they've never personally examined themselves are the clueless
internet experts who are desperately trying to impress their even *more*
clueless disciples :)
Why do you talk about yourself like that Darren?
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any
bearing on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not cause damage to the vehicle
This was *your* opinion, and you stated it as such a number of times. It
was an argument put forward by *you*. But now you seem to be saying that
it *wasn't* your argument at all, and in fact all you were doing was
your regular sock puppet routine where you just echo whatever Jerky and
the mental case say without having any idea what it is they're on about.
Is that what you were doing? If so, the fuck are you going on about it now?
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
You made the claim in a number of posts. Whether it was your claim
originally or not is irrelevant. You repeated it a number of times
without citing it as a quote from someone else. In other words, you
presented it as an argument that you either made originally, or agreed with.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero experience
in failure analysis related to this particular field your unqualified
opinion is worth about as much as my next door neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Noddy
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
That's usually the stance you take whenever you've been shown to be the
nonsensical imbecile that you are.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
I thought you said it wasn't your argument? If that's the case, then how
would you know? Still, if you reckon it is, then do us all a favour  and
take a moment to explain exactly how any of this is factual in any way.
Present evidence to support your case....
Good advice, you should take it!
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
No Felix, it is not. Not even remotely. It is nothing but conjecture,
and that is *not* factual.
You're *way* out of your depth here, pal. You have absolutely no fucking
idea what you're talking about, and the moronic ramblings of the mental
case are not going to save you.
Your *rantings* above are clearly those of a mental case!
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much
stupid into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
Uh-huh. Yeah, sure Felix. Tell us all again how you thought lighters
would actually work without any kind of fuel, or how you couldn't even
buy the correct coolant for your car *despite* reading the label which
told you the type you bought was unsuitable for your needs?
"Stupid", as a term, doesn't not go anywhere near far enough to describe
you. I don't know what term actually does, but whatever it is you're the
perfect definition of if.
For stupid, you need only gaze into a mirror! More than enough stupid!
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-28 05:27:19 UTC
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<snip noddy perversion>
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
which of these statements is untrue? the only one that can remotely
Post by Mighty Mouse
be considered
Post by Mighty Mouse
opinion is number 4, so I will grant you that.
Felix, We've been over this before and I have explained this most
*basic* of principals to you a number of times now and you *still*
apparently don't get it, but I'll try one more time. And this is the
*last* fucking time.
to quote a usenet legend "just because some fool says something
doesn't mean it's true"
"Relevance" is apparently something you're not big on as well....
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
Points 1, 2 and 3 you've listed are indeed factual and that is not
in dispute.
but that WAS the dispute. you claimed that what Xeno said was just
opinion. I disagreed. but glad to see you now agree that you were
wrong and points 1-3 are in fact, fact.
Yet again you demonstrate that you have absolutely zero ability to
follow even the most basic of conversations. Just to clue you in, what
was "disagreed" was not whether a bunch of irrelevant dot points were
"facts", but the mental case's ability to diagnose a problem on a
vehicle he had never so much as been in the same state as.
nup. this is what was said..

...................................................................
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
The odd thing here is that Clocky and I have never made ourselves
out to be metal fab or vehicle body builders. But I do understand
vehicle chassis structures and the LC200 chassis is exceedingly strong.
The mere fact that you can >>>>uprate the tow rating to 4000+ kg and the
ball downforce to 400+ kg without and chassis modifications tell me that
chassis would have to be extremely overloaded to cause damage. A 1200 kg
dog wash trailer won't cut it.
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
some more facts there for you noddy. you know, the things you hate..
You mean more *opinion* Felix. There is nothing "factual"
It's laden with cold hard facts you fool!
...................................................................

these are YOUR words.. "You mean more *opinion* Felix. There is nothing
"factual".. "

then you said..

...................................................................................
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Let me make it even *more* clear for you. There is *nothing* you
have echoed by either of those two fucktards that is in any way factual
or evidentiary,
Post by Noddy
except there is.
No, there is not, Felix. None of their comments that you have echoed
have expressed anything other than unqualified opinion. Of course, you
could do us all a favour by highlighting the parts that you believe to
be "facts" and "evidence". I'll leave space for you here ↓↓↓↓↓↓
..................................................................................

and this is when I numbered the points 1-4

so as usual you are full of shit by claiming above.. "what was
"disagreed" was not whether a bunch of irrelevant dot points were "facts".."
Post by Noddy
It may come as a shock to you to actually learn Felix, but the *only*
people who believe they can accurately perform detailed failure
analysis on things they've never personally examined themselves are
the clueless internet experts who are desperately trying to impress
their even *more* clueless disciples :)
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
However you have presented *nothing* to show that they had any
bearing on the fault in any way.
because that was not my argument/claim
in view of the ratings a 1200 kg doggy wash trailer would not cause damage to the vehicle
This was *your* opinion, and you stated it as such a number of times.
It was an argument put forward by *you*. But now you seem to be saying
that it *wasn't* your argument at all, and in fact all you were doing
was your regular sock puppet routine where you just echo whatever
Jerky and the mental case say without having any idea what it is
they're on about.
Is that what you were doing? If so, the fuck are you going on about it now?
so I must have given my opinion as the discussion progressed, based on
the FACTS
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
Point 4 is an *opinion* based on nothing other than what you *think*
is the case.
wrong again. that was Xeno's claim not mine
You made the claim in a number of posts. Whether it was your claim
originally or not is irrelevant. You repeated it a number of times
without citing it as a quote from someone else. In other words, you
presented it as an argument that you either made originally, or agreed with.
so what? you're still wrong by saying what Xeno posted was opinion only
not fact. are you going to man up and admit being wrong? or run away
like your little mate jonsey did after he posted no less than four times
that I was a liar, and I proved him wrong too.
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
It is not factual in any way, and given that you have zero
experience in failure analysis related to this particular field your
unqualified opinion is worth about as much as my next door
neighbour's dog.
see previous comment
Post by Mighty Mouse
Do you understand this, Felix?
I understand that you're an arrogant ass.
That's usually the stance you take
just stating a FACT. but my bad. let me correct it.. abusive arrogant
ass. HTH
Post by Noddy
whenever you've been shown to be the nonsensical imbecile that you are.
except that hasn't happened
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
Point 4 is *not* the "only one that can remotely be considered
opinion", it *is* an opinion. It is nothing *other* than an opinion.
It is based on nothing.
no it isn't. it's based on the FACTS given in 1 to 3
I thought you said it wasn't your argument? If that's the case, then
how would you know? Still, if you reckon it is, then do us all a
favour  and take a moment to explain exactly how any of this is
factual in any way.
Present evidence to support your case....
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
There is nothing factual about it whatsoever.
yes there is. see above
No Felix, it is not. Not even remotely. It is nothing but conjecture,
and that is *not* factual.
You're *way* out of your depth here, pal. You have absolutely no
fucking idea what you're talking about, and the moronic ramblings of
the mental case are not going to save you.
Xeno stated facts. you can abuse ,waffle, and bullshit as much as you
like, but it won't save you. prove what Xeno said are not facts if you
wish to continue, or I'm done with your crap.
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Mighty Mouse
For fuck's sake. For a guy who likes to beat his chest about how
intelligent he is, I don't know how you manage to fit this much
stupid into one fucking head.
well you would know all about fitting stupid into one head based on
personal experience
Uh-huh. Yeah, sure Felix. Tell us all again how you thought lighters
would actually work without any kind of fuel, or how you couldn't even
buy the correct coolant for your car *despite* reading the label which
told you the type you bought was unsuitable for your needs?
"Stupid", as a term, doesn't not go anywhere near far enough to
describe you. I don't know what term actually does, but whatever it is
you're the perfect definition of if.
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alvey
2024-07-27 07:10:44 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
that's debatable.
ROTFL :)
The difference between Felix and a computer is that information only has
to be punched into a computer once :)
Yep, Fraudsters' development, like punch cards, stopped in the early 70s.


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2024-07-27 01:53:46 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect (what
car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
FFS Darren, get over yourself. Since you have no experience with the MG,
you are merely touting the opinions of others, most notably those
motoring journalists you constantly dismiss as lacking credibility. And
there's a whole chunk of irony in that - you, with a total lack of
credibility, dismissing the credibility of others.
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jonz
2024-07-28 01:00:13 UTC
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Post by Xeno
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Noddy
Post by Mighty Mouse
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue.
and MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are.
In your opinion.
it's not like I haven't owned and driven others cars, so I have a
sound basis for comparison, and although the MG is not perfect
(what car is), and has it's shortcomings, it's not a bad car by
any means.
Again, that's your *opinion*. It is *not* a fact regardless of how
much you want it to be so.
1. MG is not perfect. fact
2. it has shortcomings. fact
3. it's not a bad car. fact
EOS
Again you demonstrate your complete inability to distinguish between
fact an opinion.
1 and 2 are fact. No argument. 3 is an opinion.
FFS Darren, get over yourself. Since you have no experience with the
MG, you are merely touting the opinions of others, most notably those
motoring journalists you constantly dismiss as lacking credibility.
And there's a whole chunk of irony in that - you, with a total lack of
credibility, dismissing the credibility of others.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Cred.??. *Yours* is *zero*....

    (A proper *no you* for ya!.)
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alvey
2024-07-26 07:07:22 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and MG's
are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's criteria
is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
Aside from the OP Cyberster, the MG 4 XPower with its sub 4 second 0-100
would satisfy most definitions of "performance".


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2024-07-26 08:08:27 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
Aside from the OP Cyberster, the MG 4 XPower with its sub 4 second
0-100 would satisfy most definitions of "performance".
ok, I'm not familiar with all the models. I was referring to the run of
the mill models most ppl buy.
Post by alvey
alvey
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-26 08:11:24 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of
way more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading
contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
Aside from the OP Cyberster, the MG 4 XPower with its sub 4 second
0-100 would satisfy most definitions of "performance".
ok, I'm not familiar with all the models. I was referring to the run
of the mill models most ppl buy.
Post by alvey
alvey
btw.. just found out today a friend bought a ZS. pity I didn't know in
advance, I coulda got a spotters fee.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-26 23:32:22 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last Chinese
car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L turbo,
with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg lighter.
Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And don't get me
started on the headlights, the driver interface, the nonsensical dash
layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be competent,
and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more than
a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at least)
the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and MG's
are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's criteria
is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.

For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.

FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly superior
vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my partner felt
that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6 years old
Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the $14k price
difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at present). Weirdly,
ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close indeed. Getting behind
the wheel tells a completely different story.
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2024-07-26 23:56:29 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm and
the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance to
match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly superior
vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my partner felt
that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6 years old
Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the $14k price
difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at present). Weirdly,
ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close indeed. Getting behind
the wheel tells a completely different story.
Do you intend to trade in the Levorg?
If so don't be surprised if what they offer you is much lower than
expected, dealers are slimy pricks so you would be better off selling
privately.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-27 00:15:02 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
Do you intend to trade in the Levorg?
**No. When it is time to kiss the Levorg goodbye, I will likely sell it
privately. It will do us for another couple of years.It only has
40,000km on the clock.
Post by Daryl
If so don't be surprised if what they offer you is much lower than
expected, dealers are slimy pricks so you would be better off selling
privately.
**Of course. However, after much discussion and investigation, we have
altered our intended approach and time-line. PHEVs are, at present, very
thin on the ground. The Lexus is nice, the Mazda is a disappointment and
the Mitsubishis are boring. I believe this will change over the next
year or two, as people realise that a PHEV is an excellent compromise.
So, the PHEV will wait for a bit. Since the PHEV would be used for
long/er distance travel, then the Levorg will stay where it is, until a
suitable PHEV is found. In the short term, a BEV looks like a good
thing. I rather like the Ioniq 5, but SWMBO reckons it's too ugly. We'll
see. Anyway, the Stagea will go (sniff) and be replaced by a soulless,
but reasonably quick, BEV. No dealer will offer a trade on the Stagea. I
can probably get around $4k ~ $5k for the Stagea. It still puts a smile
on my face when drive it.
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2024-07-27 00:49:49 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of
way more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
Do you intend to trade in the Levorg?
**No. When it is time to kiss the Levorg goodbye, I will likely sell it
privately. It will do us for another couple of years.It only has
40,000km on the clock.
Post by Daryl
If so don't be surprised if what they offer you is much lower than
expected, dealers are slimy pricks so you would be better off selling
privately.
**Of course. However, after much discussion and investigation, we have
altered our intended approach and time-line. PHEVs are, at present, very
thin on the ground. The Lexus is nice, the Mazda is a disappointment and
the Mitsubishis are boring. I believe this will change over the next
year or two, as people realise that a PHEV is an excellent compromise.
So, the PHEV will wait for a bit. Since the PHEV would be used for
long/er distance travel, then the Levorg will stay where it is, until a
suitable PHEV is found. In the short term, a BEV looks like a good
thing. I rather like the Ioniq 5, but SWMBO reckons it's too ugly. We'll
see. Anyway, the Stagea will go (sniff) and be replaced by a soulless,
but reasonably quick, BEV. No dealer will offer a trade on the Stagea. I
can probably get around $4k ~ $5k for the Stagea. It still puts a smile
on my face when drive it.
I read somewhere recently that there is a change coming to rebates or
tax regarding PHEV's which is why they are selling so quickly at the moment.
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV make
a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in that time
its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time on its
battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job very
well.
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Xeno
2024-07-27 01:44:19 UTC
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Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of
way more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
Do you intend to trade in the Levorg?
**No. When it is time to kiss the Levorg goodbye, I will likely sell it
privately. It will do us for another couple of years.It only has
40,000km on the clock.
Post by Daryl
If so don't be surprised if what they offer you is much lower than
expected, dealers are slimy pricks so you would be better off selling
privately.
**Of course. However, after much discussion and investigation, we have
altered our intended approach and time-line. PHEVs are, at present, very
thin on the ground. The Lexus is nice, the Mazda is a disappointment and
the Mitsubishis are boring. I believe this will change over the next
year or two, as people realise that a PHEV is an excellent compromise.
So, the PHEV will wait for a bit. Since the PHEV would be used for
long/er distance travel, then the Levorg will stay where it is, until a
suitable PHEV is found. In the short term, a BEV looks like a good
thing. I rather like the Ioniq 5, but SWMBO reckons it's too ugly. We'll
see. Anyway, the Stagea will go (sniff) and be replaced by a soulless,
but reasonably quick, BEV. No dealer will offer a trade on the Stagea. I
can probably get around $4k ~ $5k for the Stagea. It still puts a smile
on my face when drive it.
I read somewhere recently that there is a change coming to rebates or
tax regarding PHEV's which is why they are selling so quickly at the moment.
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV make
a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in that time
its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time on its
battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job very
well.
A PHEV makes no sense at all in that scenario since the combustion engine
will rot away internally. Your friend, however imaginary, will benefit from
a full BEV or a mild hybrid.

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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-27 23:18:20 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is
a very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of
way more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker.
1.6L turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around
250kg lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg.
And don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface,
the nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that
are all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our
6 years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite
the $14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
Do you intend to trade in the Levorg?
**No. When it is time to kiss the Levorg goodbye, I will likely sell
it privately. It will do us for another couple of years.It only has
40,000km on the clock.
Post by Daryl
If so don't be surprised if what they offer you is much lower than
expected, dealers are slimy pricks so you would be better off selling
privately.
**Of course. However, after much discussion and investigation, we have
altered our intended approach and time-line. PHEVs are, at present,
very thin on the ground. The Lexus is nice, the Mazda is a
disappointment and the Mitsubishis are boring. I believe this will
change over the next year or two, as people realise that a PHEV is an
excellent compromise. So, the PHEV will wait for a bit. Since the PHEV
would be used for long/er distance travel, then the Levorg will stay
where it is, until a suitable PHEV is found. In the short term, a BEV
looks like a good thing. I rather like the Ioniq 5, but SWMBO reckons
it's too ugly. We'll see. Anyway, the Stagea will go (sniff) and be
replaced by a soulless, but reasonably quick, BEV. No dealer will
offer a trade on the Stagea. I can probably get around $4k ~ $5k for
the Stagea. It still puts a smile on my face when drive it.
I read somewhere recently that there is a change coming to rebates or
tax regarding PHEV's which is why they are selling so quickly at the moment.
**That may be the case, but my problem is lack of choice. There are
bugger-all alternatives.
Post by Daryl
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV make
a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in that time
its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time on its
battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job very
well.
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively bland.
Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next year or so.
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2024-07-28 01:37:13 UTC
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Post by Daryl
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV
make a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in
that time its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time on
its battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job
very well.
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively bland.
Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Trevor Wilson
2024-07-28 06:34:56 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Daryl
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV
make a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in
that time its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time
on its battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job
very well.
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next year
or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect they
will become more popular. I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US. And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
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2024-07-28 07:13:07 UTC
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**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect they
will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest
that they will be any time soon.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that if
they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient numbers to
satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the idea that
Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the Prime would be
too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather than it being a
commercial failure it's just easier for them to just not bring it here.

It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
Post by Trevor Wilson
And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
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Keithr0
2024-07-28 07:25:30 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect
they will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest
that they will be any time soon.
 > I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
Post by Trevor Wilson
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that if
they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient numbers to
satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the idea that
Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the Prime would be
too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather than it being a
commercial failure it's just easier for them to just not bring it here.
It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
 > And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Post by Trevor Wilson
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
I had a 2023 model as a hire car back in April, it didn't feel
agricultural at all. It rolled along the freeways at 85 mph quietly and
in comfort. Reasonably thrifty on fuel too.
Xeno
2024-07-28 07:42:49 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect
they will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to
suggest that they will be any time soon.
  > I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
Post by Trevor Wilson
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that
if they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient
numbers to satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the
idea that Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the
Prime would be too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather
than it being a commercial failure it's just easier for them to just
not bring it here.
It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
  > And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Post by Trevor Wilson
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and
I don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
I had a 2023 model as a hire car back in April, it didn't feel
agricultural at all. It rolled along the freeways at 85 mph quietly and
in comfort. Reasonably thrifty on fuel too.
You'll have to forgive Darren's ignorance (and bias), he's obviously
never ridden in a decent vehicle.
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Noddy
2024-07-28 10:59:08 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
I had a 2023 model as a hire car back in April, it didn't feel
agricultural at all. It rolled along the freeways at 85 mph quietly and
in comfort. Reasonably thrifty on fuel too.
Was that here or in the US?
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Keithr0
2024-07-28 11:14:42 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Keithr0
I had a 2023 model as a hire car back in April, it didn't feel
agricultural at all. It rolled along the freeways at 85 mph quietly
and in comfort. Reasonably thrifty on fuel too.
Was that here or in the US?
In Florida.
Noddy
2024-07-28 12:13:40 UTC
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Post by Keithr0
Post by Noddy
Post by Keithr0
I had a 2023 model as a hire car back in April, it didn't feel
agricultural at all. It rolled along the freeways at 85 mph quietly
and in comfort. Reasonably thrifty on fuel too.
Was that here or in the US?
In Florida.
Well, they've either got remarkably better in the last couple of years,
or the American one is different.
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alvey
2024-07-28 08:53:23 UTC
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You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
Do tell how you'd know that.


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2024-07-28 08:59:01 UTC
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Post by Noddy
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and
I don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
Do tell how you'd know that.
alvey
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2024-07-28 08:57:23 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect
they will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
It's happening as I write this;

https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/15/global_ev_sales_continue_to/

Global EV sales continue to increase, but Plug-in Hybrid
momentum is growing

PHEVs make a lot of sense for traditional automakers
faced with battery-powered losses
Richard Speed Wed 15 May 2024 // 08:35 UTC

Global passenger electric vehicle (EV) sales have continued
to grow. However, plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV)
sales have significantly increased year-on-year, leaving
their battery-only counterparts trailing.

According to figures from Counterpoint, PHEV sales
significantly rose in the first quarter of 2024, with a 46
percent year-on-year growth. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEV)
registered just seven percent growth.

The shift will alarm some – Greenpeace memorably described
PHEVs as "the car industry's 'wolf in sheep's clothing'"
thanks to their relatively limited battery-only range, and
greater weight.

That said, there are plenty of issues with BEVs to put
customers off. Counterpoint Research analyst Abhik
Mukherjee said: "The cheaper upfront cost of PHEVs when
compared to BEVs and the availability of a fuel tank that
eliminates range anxiety were among the main reasons for
high PHEV demand."

PHEV sales 46% YoY growth Darren. That pretty much makes a total mockery
of *your claim* that *cost* is a factor. Yes, cost is a factor, PHEVs
are *cheaper* than full BEVs which is promoting the surge in PHEV sales
against a mere 7% growth in BEVs. Do you have any idea what's going on
in the world around you Darren? Here's a hint, the world doesn't flow
along your prejudices!
Post by Noddy
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest
that they will be any time soon.
46% growth compared to 7% Darren. You haven't a clue! Talking shit!
Post by Noddy
 > I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
Post by Trevor Wilson
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that if
they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient numbers to
satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the idea that
Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the Prime would be
too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather than it being a
commercial failure it's just easier for them to just not bring it here.
We are a niche market, we will be last to be satisfied.
Post by Noddy
It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
A former colleague's wife just signed up for a $70k Ford Everest. Yes,
his wife, Helen, works for the Vic Government and it's on a 3 year fully
novated lease arrangement. $70k for a *mid sized wagon* that isn't even
a hybrid, much less a PHEV. Remember, I told you the Vic Government was
pushing its higher salaried workers to go with Salary Sacrifice schemes
to minimise tax - and they have been on this kick since the year 2000.
Again, you've been caught out talking shit!
Post by Noddy
 > And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Post by Trevor Wilson
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
Your biases are showing! Have you ever driven a RAV? I'm betting you've
never sat behind the wheel of one.
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Daryl
2024-07-28 10:15:19 UTC
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**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect
they will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest
that they will be any time soon.
 > I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
Post by Trevor Wilson
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that if
they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient numbers to
satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the idea that
Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the Prime would be
too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather than it being a
commercial failure it's just easier for them to just not bring it here.
It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
 > And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Post by Trevor Wilson
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
Top of the range RAV 4 is about $64k, cheapest is about $47k so they
aren't cheap, they would sell some at $80k + but I can't see it being a
big seller.
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Noddy
2024-07-28 12:08:07 UTC
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Top of the range RAV 4 is about $64k, cheapest is about $47k so they
aren't cheap, they would sell some at $80k + but I can't see it being a
big seller.
I can't either, which is probably why they're not bringing it here.
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Clocky
2024-07-28 10:25:32 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect
they will become more popular.
If and when that day ever comes, I don't expect it will be any time
soon. The problem is cost. They're just not even *remotely* cost
effective at the moment, and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest
that they will be any time soon.
 > I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
Post by Trevor Wilson
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US.
They're the biggest car manufacturer on the planet, and I'm sure that if
they *really* wanted to they could produce them in sufficient numbers to
satisfy both markets. The reality is probably closer to the idea that
Toyota has looked at the market here and thought that the Prime would be
too expensive on our shores to be popular, and rather than it being a
commercial failure it's just easier for them to just not bring it here.
It's close to 45 grand in the US. That'd push the thing to 80+ in our
money if the Big T ever decided to bring it here. That's a shitload of
coin for a mid sized wagon.
 > And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Post by Trevor Wilson
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
You might want to drive it first. Rav4's are pretty agricultural, and I
don't imagine the electric one would be any better :)
Wrong again bozo. You're not having much luck here - have you considered
'leaving soon' as an alternative to being continually smacked about with
facts by people you despise for being smarter than you?
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Daryl
2024-07-28 10:07:33 UTC
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Post by Daryl
If it was my money I would buy a PHEV, BEV's make no sense but PHEV
make a lot of sense, friend PHEV Hyundai is about 18mths old and in
that time its only used 3 tanks of petrol, it runs most of the time
on its battery, fuel economy is showing less than 0.5lt/100km.
Shame that its a very bland car and cost $53k but its doing its job
very well.
**I have accepted that most of the available PHEVs are relatively
bland. Even the Lexus. I am hoping that will change over the next
year or so.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
**When most of the punters realise that PHEVs offer the best of all
worlds (low emissions, low fuel consumption, long range), I suspect they
will become more popular. I suspect that may be the reason why Toyota
don't sell the RV4 Prime in Australia. They can't keep up with the
demand in the US. And the RAV4 Prime would be at the top of my list, if
Toyota would bring it in. It even comes with a spare tyre! The Lexus
doesn't.
I've always thought it odd that Toyota being world leaders in hybrids
have never sold a PHEV here.
Even with just a 68km range on battery my friends Hyundai PHEV spends
most of its time running on the battery and when its parked at their
home its always plugged into a standard 240v outlet, they have solar
panels and a solar storage battery so "fuel" cost is almost nothing.
Interesting what Porsche has done with the new "hybrid" 911, it has a
smallish hybrid battery which is used electrically to spin up the turbo
similar to the way F1 engines do, by having the turbo always on boost at
low rpm emissions are lowered and performance is increased plus the need
for 2 different size turbo's is eliminated.
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Noddy
2024-07-28 12:12:24 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Interesting what Porsche has done with the new "hybrid" 911, it has a
smallish hybrid battery which is used electrically to spin up the turbo
similar to the way F1 engines do, by having the turbo always on boost at
low rpm emissions are lowered and performance is increased plus the need
for 2 different size turbo's is eliminated.
Nice.
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Mighty Mouse
2024-07-27 00:54:43 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
iirc that was a hire car, and not a current model. the aussie version
uses standard fuel
Post by Trevor Wilson
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
of course one would expect cars in higher price bracket to be better.
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2024-07-27 23:15:09 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a
very good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way
more expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
**I drove a 2023 model MG HS last August. MG will be the last
Chinese car I will ever consider. It was an absolute shocker. 1.6L
turbo, with way less power than my Levorg AND it is around 250kg
lighter. Way less fuel efficient than my 6 year old Levorg. And
don't get me started on the headlights, the driver interface, the
nonsensical dash layout, etc, etc. POS.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-hyundai-ioniq-5-n-australian-first-drive/
Not pretty, BUT, it is Korean and, therefore, likely to be
competent, and it is properly quick.
Indeedy, unfortunately for Hyundai (and us) it's around $40k more
than a couple of rivals with similar 0-100 times. Atm there's (at
least) the MG4 XPower, Volvo EX30 and BYD Seal Performance that are
all sub 4s.
I'm looking, in a leisurely way, for a replacement for my A35 atm
and the Volvo (gasp!) and the BYD are currently the leading contenders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
I can probably persuade SWMBO to accept the next model down the
range. Still 5.2 seconds to 100kph. Plenty quick enough for me.
Yairss... I'm thinking it's time to downgrade my cars' performance
to match mine...
obviously for you and Trevor price is not a significant issue. and
MG's are not as bad as Trev makes out they are. but when someone's
criteria is performance oriented, MG's are not going to cut it.
**The MG HS I drove was an absolute horror. It was dreadfully
uneconomical (despite requiring 95RON fuel), had disgustingly bad
headlights (I can't imagine how that could be solved), had horrible
ergonomics. I went OK and handled OK though. Still, I do drive at night.
iirc that was a hire car, and not a current model. the aussie version
uses standard fuel
**It was an Aussie version. I hired it in Cairns. According to the MG
web site, it requires 95RON. It was current model in August 2023.
Post by Mighty Mouse
Post by Trevor Wilson
For me, price is somewhat important, but safety, fuel efficiency,
handling and performance are more important.
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
of course one would expect cars in higher price bracket to be better.
**Here's the thing: 8 months earlier (December 2022) I hired a Suzuki
Swift and drove the same roads, at the same times as the MG. The Suzuki
was VASTLY more economical (using 91RON), had decent headlights and way
better ergonomics. Of course, it handled WAY better than the MG, but I
accept that the Swift is a very different vehicle to the MG HS. You
would think that MG could, at the very least, fit decent headlights to
the MG HS. The ones fitted are dangerous.
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Noddy
2024-07-27 03:31:11 UTC
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FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly superior
vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my partner felt
that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6 years old
Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the $14k price
difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at present). Weirdly,
ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close indeed. Getting behind
the wheel tells a completely different story.
If you want an impressive vehicle at a realistic price, then go look at
a new Hyundai Santa Fe Caligraphy. It's about 83 grand on the road and
only available as a petrol hybrid at the moment, but it is an impressive
vehicle for the money.
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Xeno
2024-07-27 04:46:01 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
If you want an impressive vehicle at a realistic price, then go look at
a new Hyundai Santa Fe Caligraphy. It's about 83 grand on the road and
only available as a petrol hybrid at the moment, but it is an impressive
vehicle for the money.
Except for one minor detail - it's a Hyundai!
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alvey
2024-07-27 07:36:07 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
If you want an impressive vehicle at a realistic price, then go look at
a new Hyundai Santa Fe Caligraphy.
Yep, do that Trev. It'll give you an excellent example of the opposite
of what you want.

Jaysus Fraudster! To think that you boasted about charging people for
your "expert" vehicle recommendation! What the Merrimu would Mr & Mrs
Trevor need with a three row minibus? *And* it's truly ugly. Even in
comparison to its peers. The only advantage of the thing that I can
think of is that it's unlikely to be stolen. No matter how hard to try.
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Clocky
2024-07-27 13:15:08 UTC
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Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: I took a Mazda CX-60 and a Lexus NX-450h+ for test drives
recently. Although $14k more expensive, the Lexus was a vastly
superior vehicle. In fact, reflecting on the drive yesterday, my
partner felt that, WRT fit, finish, materials, smoothness, etc, our 6
years old Subaru was higher quality than the Mazda CX-60. Despite the
$14k price difference, the Lexus is at the top of the list (at
present). Weirdly, ON PAPER, the Mazda and the Lexus are very close
indeed. Getting behind the wheel tells a completely different story.
If you want an impressive vehicle at a realistic price, then go look at
a new Hyundai Santa Fe Caligraphy. It's about 83 grand on the road and
only available as a petrol hybrid at the moment, but it is an impressive
vehicle for the money.
Considering what he's looking for in a vehicle how on earth is that
suggestion even remotely appropriate? It's nothing like what he's
looking for, it's hideous and it's a Hyundai - and they have had some
pretty serious issues in recent years with engines and transmissions.
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Peter Jason
2024-07-24 21:25:47 UTC
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Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
I'll br perverse and order a BLUE one.
alvey
2024-07-24 22:03:16 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
I'll br perverse and order a BLUE one.
Or you could live dangerously and order one in Taiwans colours...



alvey
Peter Jason
2024-07-25 01:40:22 UTC
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Post by alvey
Post by Peter Jason
Post by alvey
They'll probably sell about seven in Oz, but their Cyberstar is a very
good looking & sexy two-seater. *And* it'll blow a lot of way more
expensive things into the long grass.
https://tinyurl.com/3fjm2mau
alvey
I'll br perverse and order a BLUE one.
Or you could live dangerously and order one in Taiwans colours...
alvey
Are they made in Taiwan? China must be pissed off!
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