US to look at banning hardware and software from chinese car imports

[lindsay]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/

"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key Chinese
software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads due to
national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar Chinese
cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key Chinese
software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."

Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even block
parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. And i can
see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get turned off,
if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads
due to national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar
Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even block
parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. And i can
see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get turned off,
if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

Uh-Oh..

[Noddy]

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-
banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key Chinese
software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads due to
national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar Chinese
cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key Chinese
software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even block
parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars.  And i can
see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get turned off,
if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

We live in interesting times. I would have thought the logical thing to
do would be to ban them *if* they were able to show some kind of
security risk instead of just assuming their might be one. But as we all
know, this is more about politics than anything else.

Not that I'm against any political push back against China, but we need
to be careful as it could hurt us *way* more than it hurts them.

[lindsay]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-
banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American
roads due to national security concerns, a move that would
effectively bar Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. 
And i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

We live in interesting times. I would have thought the logical thing
to do would be to ban them *if* they were able to show some kind of
security risk instead of just assuming their might be one. But as we
all know, this is more about politics than anything else.
Not that I'm against any political push back against China, but we
need to be careful as it could hurt us *way* more than it hurts them.

Oh, i get that. we are dependant on iron ore sales to the land of the
batvirus. currently, they are dependant on our ore, and coal.
i'd be prepared to cop a bit of china's wrath. We've seen it before.
Our coat of arms has 2 critters that dont take a backward step. china
still refuses trade of our crayfish. 3 years after daring to ask where
their filthy fucking disease came from. And we just suck it up. They
want to be "friends" whilst dumping chaff in front of our Poseidon
aircraft in international airspace...  sonar ping whilst our divers
are in international waters. we should have put a 200% tarrif on their
shitheap EV imports, when they got stuck into us. I understand they
are the worlds factory, and have positioned themselves as such. even
last night, there was a segment on the news about peoples security
cameras spying on themselves. The scope i just bought came from one of
the chief protagonists, Hikmicrro. In an ideal world, i'd have bought
something made elsewhere.
I wouldnt piss on china from height..

[Noddy]

Post by Noddy

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes- banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American
roads due to national security concerns, a move that would
effectively bar Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars.
And i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

We live in interesting times. I would have thought the logical thing
to do would be to ban them *if* they were able to show some kind of
security risk instead of just assuming their might be one. But as we
all know, this is more about politics than anything else.
Not that I'm against any political push back against China, but we
need to be careful as it could hurt us *way* more than it hurts them.

Oh, i get that. we are dependant on iron ore sales to the land of the
batvirus. currently, they are dependant on our ore, and coal.
i'd be prepared to cop a bit of china's wrath. We've seen it before.
Our coat of arms has 2 critters that dont take a backward step. china
still refuses trade of our crayfish. 3 years after daring to ask where
their filthy fucking disease came from. And we just suck it up. They
want to be "friends" whilst dumping chaff in front of our Poseidon
aircraft in international airspace...  sonar ping whilst our divers
are in international waters. we should have put a 200% tarrif on their
shitheap EV imports, when they got stuck into us. I understand they
are the worlds factory, and have positioned themselves as such. even
last night, there was a segment on the news about peoples security
cameras spying on themselves. The scope i just bought came from one of
the chief protagonists, Hikmicrro. In an ideal world, i'd have bought
something made elsewhere.
I wouldnt piss on china from height..

Don't disagree with any of that. They can get fucked as far as I'm
concerned. India lies beckoning, and I hope the world wakes up to that
sooner rather than later.
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Regards,
Noddy.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-
banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads
due to national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar
Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even block
parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars.  And i can
see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get turned off,
if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

We live in interesting times. I would have thought the logical thing to
do would be to ban them *if* they were able to show some kind of
security risk instead of just assuming their might be one. But as we all
know, this is more about politics than anything else.
Not that I'm against any political push back against China, but we need
to be careful as it could hurt us *way* more than it hurts them.

I read somewhere recently that US farmers are still suffering the
effects of tariffs imposed by the US on some Chinese imports by Trump,
they retaliated and it ended up hurting US farmers a lot more than it
hurt the Chinese.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
We live in interesting times. I would have thought the logical thing
to do would be to ban them *if* they were able to show some kind of
security risk instead of just assuming their might be one. But as we
all know, this is more about politics than anything else.
Not that I'm against any political push back against China, but we
need to be careful as it could hurt us *way* more than it hurts them.

I read somewhere recently that US farmers are still suffering the
effects of tariffs imposed by the US on some Chinese imports by Trump,
they retaliated and it ended up hurting US farmers a lot more than it
hurt the Chinese.

The recently lifted sanctions China imposed on us for no reason other
than them being filthy little cunts cost us plenty, and that was without
them even trying to seriously hurt is. It hurt them too, but sadly for
us their economy could buy and sell ours tomorrow and live to talk about
it, whereas we're not in such a commanding position.

They're well aware of that, just like we're aware that we've shat in our
own nests by allowing ourselves to become so dependent on them.
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Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key Chinese
software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads due to
national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar Chinese
cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key Chinese
software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even block
parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars.  And i can
see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get turned off,
if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

I'd support a ban Chinese shit cars and those monstrous US ***@nker
mobiles equally.

Neither belong here.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads
due to national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar
Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. 
And i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

I'd support a ban Chinese shit cars

have you ever even had a good look at one?

Post by Clocky
Neither belong here.

I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American roads
due to national security concerns, a move that would effectively bar
Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. And
i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

I'd support a ban Chinese shit cars

have you ever even had a good look at one?

Post by Clocky
Neither belong here.

I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

[Lindsay]

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars? Yep
plenty of choice...

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.
Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars?
Yep plenty of choice...

but they lose on price

[Noddy]

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Post by Lindsay
Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars? Yep
plenty of choice...

There is for cars, and it'd be a hell of a long time before I ever
considered owning any vehicle made in China. But the sad reality here is
that no matter *what* car you buy they all use Chinese sourced
components and until another source of cheap labour becomes available,
such as India for example, there is no escaping it.
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Regards,
Noddy.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Post by Lindsay
Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars?
Yep plenty of choice...

There is for cars, and it'd be a hell of a long time before I ever
considered owning any vehicle made in China. But the sad reality here is
that no matter *what* car you buy they all use Chinese sourced
components and until another source of cheap labour becomes available,
such as India for example, there is no escaping it.

Many people don't realize that as much as 50% (according to my BIL who
worked at Holden for 40yrs) of Holden Commodore parts were made in China.
Possibly explains why they were rubbish cars.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
There is for cars, and it'd be a hell of a long time before I ever
considered owning any vehicle made in China. But the sad reality here
is that no matter *what* car you buy they all use Chinese sourced
components and until another source of cheap labour becomes available,
such as India for example, there is no escaping it.

Many people don't realize that as much as 50% (according to my BIL who
worked at Holden for 40yrs) of Holden Commodore parts were made in China.
Possibly explains why they were rubbish cars.

They were rubbish cars for years. And Falcons. Junk.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Me too and not just to avoid Chinese cars, public transport is a good
way of getting around.
Today my wife has an appointment at a hospital in Melb, it would be much
easier if she could catch a train but the location makes it take 3 times
the time compared to driving, when the new tunnel is finished the train
will be the best option.

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay
Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars?
Yep plenty of choice...

There is for cars, and it'd be a hell of a long time before I ever
considered owning any vehicle made in China. But the sad reality here is
that no matter *what* car you buy they all use Chinese sourced
components and until another source of cheap labour becomes available,
such as India for example, there is no escaping it.

My old cars suit my needs and I don't have any reason to update, most
cars that are treated well and serviced regularly should last 20yrs so
IMHO there is no need to buy as many new cars as people do now.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Me too and not just to avoid Chinese cars, public transport is a good
way of getting around.
Today my wife has an appointment at a hospital in Melb, it would be
much easier if she could catch a train but the location makes it take
3 times the time compared to driving, when the new tunnel is finished
the train will be the best option.

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay
Unfortunatly, sometimes an alternative isnt available, but in cars?
Yep plenty of choice...

There is for cars, and it'd be a hell of a long time before I ever
considered owning any vehicle made in China. But the sad reality here
is that no matter *what* car you buy they all use Chinese sourced
components and until another source of cheap labour becomes
available, such as India for example, there is no escaping it.

My old cars suit my needs and I don't have any reason to update, most
cars that are treated well and serviced regularly should last 20yrs so
IMHO there is no need to buy as many new cars as people do now.

definitely. my Magna was 13 years old when I traded it, and in perfect
condition. I didn't need to sell it, I just wanted to get a new car.

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Me too and not just to avoid Chinese cars, public transport is a good
way of getting around.
Today my wife has an appointment at a hospital in Melb, it would be much
easier if she could catch a train but the location makes it take 3 times
the time compared to driving, when the new tunnel is finished the train
will be the best option.

I wouldn't dream of driving into Brisbane without some very compelling
reason. I can drive to the nearest railway station the train takes about
the same time as by driving (less time at any time up to about 09:30).
The fare at the moment is 50c even before the politicians started
throwing largess around, the fare was comparable to the cost of petrol,
and I don't have to pay anything up to $20 to park, or dice with the
homicidal maniacs who inhabit the Bruce Highway.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Lindsay

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse
I'd certainly much rather have my ZS than a clapped out commodore

I'd rather catch the bus than support china.

I'm on your side here. Should be WAY more punters with this sentiment.

Agreed.

Me too and not just to avoid Chinese cars, public transport is a good
way of getting around.
Today my wife has an appointment at a hospital in Melb, it would be
much easier if she could catch a train but the location makes it take
3 times the time compared to driving, when the new tunnel is finished
the train will be the best option.

I wouldn't dream of driving into Brisbane without some very compelling
reason. I can drive to the nearest railway station the train takes about
the same time as by driving (less time at any time up to about 09:30).
The fare at the moment is 50c even before the politicians started
throwing largess around, the fare was comparable to  the cost of petrol,
and I don't have to pay anything up to $20 to park, or dice with the
homicidal maniacs who inhabit the Bruce Highway.

Be interesting to see how long the 50cent fares last.
Son of my friend in Bris who you meet is a Bris train driver, he said
that getting a car park at a railways station is getting a lot more
difficult since the fares dropped, his sister who catches the train to
work in the city a few days a week said the same.

[lindsay]

Post by Clocky

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American
roads due to national security concerns, a move that would
effectively bar Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars. 
And i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

I'd support a ban Chinese shit cars

so thats all of em then.. (dont see any GWM utes here anymore.. owners
have either buried them, or they've all been shipped to NZ)
Silverado's, F-150's, and now, the Toyota Tundra.
As opposed to the Hilux, Triton, Navara, GWM T-60 and Ranger..

Post by Clocky
Neither belong here.

[Daryl]

Post by Clocky

Post by lindsay
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-
proposes-banning-chinese-vehicles-us-roads-with-software-
crackdown-2024-09-23/
"The U.S. Commerce Department on Monday proposed prohibiting key
Chinese software and hardware in connected vehicles on American
roads due to national security concerns, a move that would
effectively bar Chinese cars and trucks from the U.S. market.
The planned regulation, first reported by Reuters, would also force
American and other major automakers in years ahead to remove key
Chinese software and hardware from vehicles in the United States."
Australia is watching, apparently. If it happens, china may even
block parts exports to countries who block their exports of cars.
And i can see a situation where chinese "connected" vehicles all get
turned off, if/when the shit hits the fan re Taiwan/South china Sea

I'd support a ban Chinese shit cars

so thats all of em then.. (dont see any GWM utes here anymore.. owners
have either buried them, or they've all been shipped to NZ)
Silverado's, F-150's, and now, the Toyota Tundra.
As opposed to the Hilux, Triton, Navara, GWM T-60 and Ranger..

Post by Clocky
Neither belong here.

Just got back from QLD, been driving around in the mates new Dodge Ram.
No doubt that its huge but for passengers its like riding in a limo,
very smooth ride and quiet, average height rear seat passengers have
about half a meter clearance between their knees and the back of the
front seats.
The hemi petrol V8 has heaps of grunt, its surprisingly quick, I drove
it for about 15km and thought that it was a bit floaty but other than
that it was pretty good to drive.
Certainly not something I would buy but perfect for heavy towing.
When you talk to a lot of people that tow caravans you find out that
many are on or over their weight limits so for towing a big van the Ram
is actually safer because they are well within their design limits.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl
Just got back from QLD, been driving around in the mates new Dodge Ram.
No doubt that its huge but for passengers its like riding in a limo,
very smooth ride and quiet, average height rear seat passengers have
about half a meter clearance between their knees and the back of the
front seats.
The hemi petrol V8 has heaps of grunt, its surprisingly quick, I drove
it for about 15km and thought that it was a bit floaty but other than
that it was pretty good to drive.

Unfortunately the Hemi V8 has samshaft oiling issues and they have
horrendous failure rates. Almost as bad as the Chev Duramax engines. Not
quite though :)

Post by Daryl
Certainly not something I would buy but perfect for heavy towing.
When you talk to a lot of people that tow caravans you find out that
many are on or over their weight limits so for towing a big van the Ram
is actually safer because they are well within their design limits.

I think it depends a lot on the vehicle. Some do it well, and some
don't. I've had 3.6 tonne on the back of my Ranger and it performed
quite well.

This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just got back from QLD, been driving around in the mates new Dodge Ram.
No doubt that its huge but for passengers its like riding in a limo,
very smooth ride and quiet, average height rear seat passengers have
about half a meter clearance between their knees and the back of the
front seats.
The hemi petrol V8 has heaps of grunt, its surprisingly quick, I drove
it for about 15km and thought that it was a bit floaty but other than
that it was pretty good to drive.

Unfortunately the Hemi V8 has samshaft oiling issues and they have
horrendous failure rates. Almost as bad as the Chev Duramax engines. Not
quite though :)

Post by Daryl
Certainly not something I would buy but perfect for heavy towing.
When you talk to a lot of people that tow caravans you find out that
many are on or over their weight limits so for towing a big van the
Ram is actually safer because they are well within their design limits.

I think it depends a lot on the vehicle. Some do it well, and some
don't. I've had 3.6 tonne on the back of my Ranger and it performed
quite well.
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those who
tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to be a lot
of those around.
Mate who we were visiting bought the Ram to replace a 2013 79 series
Landcruiser ute and it was always at its towing limit and sometimes
over, whilst we were at the mates place they had visitors from Melb
towing a big caravan behind a 200 series LC which has had a GVM upgrade
and the owner said that the rig was still overweight.
If they care about being legal they need the 4.5t towing capacity.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those who
tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to be a lot
of those around.

Not specifically, but it gives a reasonable indication of how each one
compares to others. The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it has
an unreliable engine.

Post by Daryl
Mate who we were visiting bought the Ram to replace a 2013 79 series
Landcruiser ute and it was always at its towing limit and sometimes
over, whilst we were at the mates place they had visitors from Melb
towing a big caravan behind a 200 series LC which has had a GVM upgrade
and the owner said that the rig was still overweight.
If they care about being legal they need the 4.5t towing capacity.

Must be a big van. A 3 tonne van these days is pretty big.
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Regards,
Noddy.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those who
tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to be a
lot of those around.

Not specifically, but it gives a reasonable indication of how each one
compares to others. The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it has
an unreliable engine.

Since the problems with those engines have been around for more than
10yrs they should have sorted it by now, at least with their increasing
popularity there should be more support available if they do have a problem.

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Mate who we were visiting bought the Ram to replace a 2013 79 series
Landcruiser ute and it was always at its towing limit and sometimes
over, whilst we were at the mates place they had visitors from Melb
towing a big caravan behind a 200 series LC which has had a GVM
upgrade and the owner said that the rig was still overweight.
If they care about being legal they need the 4.5t towing capacity.

Must be a big van. A 3 tonne van these days is pretty big.

Not especially long, I think the mates van is 19'6" but its an off
roader with fully independent suspension and brakes on all wheels which
adds to the weight, like most vans these days it also has a toilet and
shower so they carry 300lts of water, for off grid camping they have
solar panels and batteries plus a generator.
I think he said dry weight is 2.7t but once you add 300kg of water plus
food and clothing etc it all adds up.
European caravans are a lot lighter but they don't stand up well to our
poorer roads, you can also buy Chinese made caravans but they are light
like the Euro's.

[Noddy]

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Post by Noddy
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those
who tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to
be a lot of those around.

Not specifically, but it gives a reasonable indication of how each one
compares to others. The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it
has an unreliable engine.

Since the problems with those engines have been around for more than
10yrs they should have sorted it by now, at least with their increasing
popularity there should be more support available if they do have a problem.

They haven't sorted it unfortunately.

The problem is the design of the engine itself. It's a cam in block V8
like any other, but the camshaft tunnel is *very* high up in the block
unlike most other pushrod engines. It runs a roller cam, and relies on
oil drain back from the cylinder heads keep the lobes and lifters happy
like any other V8. However due to the height of the camshaft most of the
oil drains back to the oil pan without going anywhere near the camshaft,
and the lobes often run dry with disastrous results.

Lobe/lifter failure is an *extremely* common problem on these later
model hemi V8's, and while there has been a couple of attempts at
redirecting oil as far as I'm aware none have been successful.

[Xeno]

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Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those
who tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to
be a lot of those around.

Not specifically, but it gives a reasonable indication of how each
one compares to others. The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame
it has an unreliable engine.

Since the problems with those engines have been around for more than
10yrs they should have sorted it by now, at least with their
increasing popularity there should be more support available if they
do have a problem.

They haven't sorted it unfortunately.
The problem is the design of the engine itself. It's a cam in block V8
like any other, but the camshaft tunnel is *very* high up in the block
unlike most other pushrod engines. It runs a roller cam, and relies on
oil drain back from the cylinder heads keep the lobes and lifters happy
like any other V8. However due to the height of the camshaft most of the
oil drains back to the oil pan without going anywhere near the camshaft,
and the lobes often run dry with disastrous results.
Lobe/lifter failure is an *extremely* common problem on these later
model hemi V8's, and while there has been a couple of attempts at
redirecting oil as far as I'm aware none have been successful.

Ah Darren, why didn't you just cite your *Googled source* instead of
trying to appear learned on the issue. Here, I'll do it for you;

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl
European caravans are a lot lighter but they don't stand up well to our
poorer roads, you can also buy Chinese made caravans but they are light
like the Euro's.

The woman who does house sitting for us and her brother, bought a euro
caravan. Not only was it too lightly built, but, when a window got
broken by being hit by a flying annex, it took months for a replacement
to arrive.

Last I heard, they were selling it, and buying a locally made one.

[Computer Nerd Kev]

Post by Daryl

The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it has an unreliable engine.

Since the problems with those engines have been around for more than
10yrs they should have sorted it by now, at least with their increasing
popularity there should be more support available if they do have a problem.

I heard the stories from a bloke whose brother bought a new Dodge Ram
two or three years ago. I don't remember these things well but after
at least one new engine, which took many months to arrive in Aus, and
many issues with appallingly bad warranty repairs which meant it had
to keep going back, he sold it around the start of the year. It had
spent more time broken than working in the time he owned it.

[Xeno]

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Post by Daryl

The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it has an unreliable engine.

Since the problems with those engines have been around for more than
10yrs they should have sorted it by now, at least with their increasing
popularity there should be more support available if they do have a problem.

I heard the stories from a bloke whose brother bought a new Dodge Ram
two or three years ago. I don't remember these things well but after
at least one new engine, which took many months to arrive in Aus, and
many issues with appallingly bad warranty repairs which meant it had
to keep going back, he sold it around the start of the year. It had
spent more time broken than working in the time he owned it.

The main problem with the RAM is the brand - Chrysler. Back last century
Chrysler had a pretty good reputation for reliability but now, not so
much. Engine issues are just a sampling of problems with the RAM going
back at least to 2000, some issues dating from the 90s. You would have
thought that at least the major issues could be addressed over such a
long time frame - but, no. Now that the Chrysler brands, and others,
come under the *Stellantis umbrella*, expect things to get worse.

[Xeno]

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Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
This test gives a good indicator of the differences between utes

Post by Daryl
http://youtu.be/ngZbbJAIl4A

I had a bit of a look at that video but its not relevant for those who
tow big vans that weigh in excess of 3 tonne and there seems to be a
lot of those around.

Not specifically, but it gives a reasonable indication of how each one
compares to others. The Ram is very impressive. It's just a shame it has
an unreliable engine.

Shouldn't worry you! You had a Navara and their reputation is shit -
more than just the engine too.

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Mate who we were visiting bought the Ram to replace a 2013 79 series
Landcruiser ute and it was always at its towing limit and sometimes
over, whilst we were at the mates place they had visitors from Melb
towing a big caravan behind a 200 series LC which has had a GVM
upgrade and the owner said that the rig was still overweight.
If they care about being legal they need the 4.5t towing capacity.

Must be a big van. A 3 tonne van these days is pretty big.