Post by Peter JasonPost by Computer Nerd KevPost by MightyMouseback? when was there ever a nation called Palestine?
Before 1948 when every map called it that. Really conflict was
already brewing since at least after the British invited Jews
to settle there following WWI. But the post-WWII Jewish
immigration and creating the State of Israel with US backing
really set things off.
One of the greatest diplomatic disasters of the 20th century was the
creation of Israel.
The clannish nature of Jews was amply displayed when they muscled into
an area already populated by others. And with no intention to merge
and intermarry with them.
You really do not understand the nature and makeup of the middle east.
Every single *tribe* there is *clannish* - without exception. The issue
is, and was, that state borders were created *without regard* to the
ethnic and religious makeup of the populations contained therein. The
Kurds are a classic example, their *territory* spans more than one
country. Arbitrary lines on a map do not a country make. Historically,
the area known as Palestine was not a country but a region inhabited by
many disparate ethnic groups.
From Wikipedia;
The region of Palestine, also known as historic Palestine, is
a geographical area in West Asia. It includes modern-day Israel
and the State of Palestine, as well as parts of northwestern
Jordan in some definitions. Other names for the region include
Canaan, the Promised Land, the Land of Israel, or the Holy Land.
The earliest written record referring to Palestine as a
*geographical region* is in the Histories of Herodotus in the
5th century BCE, which calls the area Palaistine, referring to
the territory previously held by Philistia, a state that existed
in that area from the 12th to the 7th century BCE. The Roman
Empire conquered the region and in 6 CE established the province
known as Judaea, but then in 132 CE in the period of the Bar
Kokhba revolt the province was expanded and renamed Syria
Palaestina. In 390, during the Byzantine period, the region was
split into the provinces of Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda,
and Palaestina Tertia. Following the Muslim conquest of the Levant
in the 630s, the military district of Jund Filastin was established.
While Palestine's boundaries have changed throughout history, it
has generally comprised the southern portion of regions such as
Syria or the Levant.
As the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, Palestine has been
a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. In the
Bronze Age, it was home to Canaanite city-states; and the later
Iron Age saw the emergence of Israel and Judah. It has since come
under the sway of various empires, including the Neo-Assyrian
Empire, the Neo-Babylonian Empire, the Achaemenid Empire, the
Macedonian Empire, and the Seleucid Empire. The brief Hasmonean
dynasty ended with its gradual incorporation into the Roman
Empire, and later the Byzantine Empire, during which Palestine
became a center of Christianity. In the 7th century, Palestine
was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate, ending Byzantine rule in
the region; Rashidun rule was succeeded by the Umayyad Caliphate,
the Abbasid Caliphate, and the Fatimid Caliphate. Following the
collapse of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, which had been established
through the Crusades, the population of Palestine became
predominantly Muslim. In the 13th century, it became part of the
Mamluk Sultanate, and after 1516, spent four centuries as part of
the Ottoman Empire.
Post by Peter JasonSince then, this history's greatest Jewish Ghetto has been radiating
political poison far and wide, and this, like the universe has been
expanding inexorably.
Not a ghetto! It is where the Jews, as a race and a religious grouping,
originated. And, I might add, the Christians. The Jews have been in the
region as long as any other group and, as such, have every right to be
there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan
The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible as a geography
associated with the "Promised Land". The demonym "Canaanites"
serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous
populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups—throughout
the regions of the southern Levant.[3] It is by far the most
frequently used ethnic term in the Bible.[4] Biblical scholar
Mark Smith, citing archaeological findings, suggests "that the
Israelite culture largely overlapped with and derived from
Canaanite culture ... In short, Israelite culture was largely
Canaanite in nature."
Post by Peter JasonThe only end game to this mess is shown by history, like the Medieval
Crusades, and the Zionist-Moses invasion of 1300BC.
There is no end game. The entire region has been a hotbed of conflict
for millennia, there'll be no changes in the future. In fact, it will
become worse over the next decade or two and that is *inevitable*.
I suggest you read Tim Marshall's book, "Prisoners of Geography", in
order to gain an understanding of the whys and wherefores of events in
the region. Then you may understand why wars are an inevitable part of
the human condition.
Post by Peter JasonMy God have mercy on us all!
You are looking at god's mercy. And human nature!
You might want to read Jared Diamond's book, "Guns, Germs and Steel", to
discover the inevitability of conflict in this world.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)