MG ZS Tyre pressure

[Mighty Mouse]

When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all tyres.
but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the tyres. I
wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow
for air seepage over time. however, it was not until today when I washed
the car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi,
but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all tyres.
but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the tyres. I
wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow
for air seepage over time. however, it was not until today when I washed
the car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi,
but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

Probably better handling albeit at the expense of ride quality. Dealers
tend to put the pressures a tad low - err on the side of ride quality.
Tyre companies tend to advise higher than recommended pressures, err on
the side of handling - seems to be the norm. My preferred normal for a
FWD is 36/32. Lower at the rear because it's usually only me in the
front, occasionally my 56 kg wife as passenger and no one in the back
seat and no luggage in the boot. Tyres are a little less vague on
corners and not so hard on camber scrub at the front but they do ride a
tad more harshly and I have never noticed any wear signs of
overinflation. I can live with that. If I'm going on a long trip and
carting more people, say, 4 plus luggage, I bump the rear up to match
the front. That's the problem with FWD vehicles, big difference in
weight bias between laden and unladen. I keep a little battery operated
tyre pump in the boot for that purpose - saves me dragging the
compressor out.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

Probably better handling albeit at the expense of ride quality.
Dealers tend to put the pressures a tad low - err on the side of ride
quality.

dealers pump the tyres in their showroom cars way up so they look round
and not flat

Post by Xeno
Tyre companies tend to advise higher than recommended pressures, err
on the side of handling - seems to be the norm. My preferred normal
for a FWD is 36/32. Lower at the rear because it's usually only me in
the front, occasionally my 56 kg wife as passenger and no one in the
back seat and no luggage in the boot.

I think the magna specified lower pressure for the rear tyres but for
the ZS all are the same

Post by Xeno
Tyres are a little less vague on corners and not so hard on camber
scrub at the front but they do ride a tad more harshly and I have
never noticed any wear signs of overinflation. I can live with that.
If I'm going on a long trip and carting more people, say, 4 plus
luggage, I bump the rear up to match the front. That's the problem
with FWD vehicles, big difference in weight bias between laden and
unladen.

yeah, I must remember to up them a bit when going on hols

Post by Xeno
I keep a little battery operated tyre pump in the boot for that
purpose - saves me dragging the compressor out.

I have one of those in the boot too.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all tyres.
but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the tyres. I
wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow
for air seepage over time. however, it was not until today when I washed
the car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi,
but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, (35psi)  lightly loaded.
260kPa, (38psi) loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low.

since MG made the car I think they know best what the tyre pressure
should be

Your MG must handle like a barge.

nope. it handles well. better than the Lancer I had before it in fact.
and speaking of which, the recommended tyre pressure for it was 32 psi,
so basically the same.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the recommended
tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would
they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.

Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre, but
by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style, but
it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.

31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then again
it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation is going
to turn it into a sports car.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre, but
by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style, but
it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then again
it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation is going
to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as 31psi
was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much higher tyre
pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly. Ride was
certainly not uncomfortable.

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way
too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style,
but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then again
it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation is
going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as 31psi
 was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much higher tyre
pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly. Ride was
certainly not uncomfortable.

FC Holdens were in the era of *crossply tyres*, typical pressures 24psi.
In the early days of radials that increased to 28psi. Just about
everything is a *belted* radial these days so are more tolerant of
higher pressures. Belted radials have more flex in the sidewalls so
running them too low can cause overheating of the tyre carcase. That's bad.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI
is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style,
but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation
is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much higher
tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require different
pressure, as stated above

Post by Trevor Wilson
Ride was certainly not uncomfortable.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI
is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style,
but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation
is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much higher
tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require different
pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All weighed
in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a car is
safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated
the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a
couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was
not until today when I washed the car and decided to check the
tyre pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres
were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI
is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style,
but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation
is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All weighed
in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a car is
safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter what
pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter what
pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.

For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride quality
is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended pressure
settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality suspension
system :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride quality

Still rankled that Felix didn't go over to *your* dark side, eh?

Post by Noddy
is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended pressure
settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality suspension
system :)

What? The suspension on the MG is *engineered* and extremely fine tuned
with kinematics but the rear suspension on your Ranger, a semi-eliptic
spring setup, harks back to the horse and cart days. And any vehicle
designed to carry a heavy load will have compromised ride and *handling*
at best. For instance, your spring and shocker rates, uprated for the
2024 model so it can better handle heavy loads, will be as rough as guts
in the unladen state - the *only* situation *your Ranger* will ever see.

Every time you try to make an automotive point here Darren, it serves
only to show just how little you really know about cars.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions,
driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride quality

Still rankled that Felix didn't go over to *your* dark side, eh?

never will! :) and despite what anyone thinks it's good car! there's
nothing wrong with it or the quality. I've owned plenty of other cars
for comparison including, but not limited to, Holden, Mitsubishi,
Toyota, Mada, Ford, etc., and there's nothing to fault with the MG. I'm
happy with it. I'm not a poser so it doesn't bother me that it not upmarket.

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy
is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended pressure
settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality
suspension system :)

What? The suspension on the MG is *engineered* and extremely fine
tuned with kinematics but the rear suspension on your Ranger, a
semi-eliptic spring setup, harks back to the horse and cart days. And
any vehicle designed to carry a heavy load will have compromised ride
and *handling* at best. For instance, your spring and shocker rates,
uprated for the 2024 model so it can better handle heavy loads, will
be as rough as guts in the unladen state - the *only* situation *your
Ranger* will ever see.
Every time you try to make an automotive point here Darren, it serves
only to show just how little you really know about cars.

his foot is full of holes..

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride quality
is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended pressure
settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality suspension
system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality
suspension system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

As mentioned earlier, the pressure not only depends on the tyre, but
what you're doing with it. For example, my Ranger has optional 20 inch
wheels with 255/55-R20 Highway tread tyres, and the recommended pressure
for those is 40psi. Obviously being a commercial vehicle it's pressures
are aimed at load carrying, but I'm not carrying a load with it all the
time and I don't like 40psi as it makes the ride a bit choppy. So I run
them at 35 pounds, and the ride is a hell of a lot nicer. The difference
in handling is zip.

Still, for soft spongy tyres, nothing beats my F100. It runs 75 series
tyres at 30psi and they're like driving on pillows. A couple of days ago
I ran over a brown snake that was sunning itself on the road up here,
and after getting hit by the front and back wheel on the driver's side
it stuck it's head up, poked it's tongue out a few times and then
slithered off the road into the grass :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart
quality suspension system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

As mentioned earlier, the pressure not only depends on the tyre, but
what you're doing with it. For example, my Ranger has optional 20 inch
wheels with 255/55-R20 Highway tread tyres, and the recommended pressure
for those is 40psi. Obviously being a commercial vehicle it's pressures
are aimed at load carrying, but I'm not carrying a load with it all the
time and I don't like 40psi as it makes the ride a bit choppy. So I run

Running it loaded? Hahahahhaa

Post by Noddy
them at 35 pounds, and the ride is a hell of a lot nicer. The difference
in handling is zip.

Hard to make a *cart spring* equipped truck handle. The semi-eliptic
springs are crap handlers for a start - and it only goes downhill from
there.

Post by Noddy
Still, for soft spongy tyres, nothing beats my F100. It runs 75 series
tyres at 30psi and they're like driving on pillows. A couple of days ago
I ran over a brown snake that was sunning itself on the road up here,
and after getting hit by the front and back wheel on the driver's side
it stuck it's head up, poked it's tongue out a few times and then
slithered off the road into the grass :)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart
quality suspension system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

As mentioned earlier, the pressure not only depends on the tyre, but
what you're doing with it. For example, my Ranger has optional 20 inch
wheels with 255/55-R20 Highway tread tyres, and the recommended pressure
for those is 40psi. Obviously being a commercial vehicle it's pressures
are aimed at load carrying, but I'm not carrying a load with it all the
time and I don't like 40psi as it makes the ride a bit choppy. So I run
them at 35 pounds, and the ride is a hell of a lot nicer. The difference
in handling is zip.
Still, for soft spongy tyres, nothing beats my F100. It runs 75 series
tyres at 30psi and they're like driving on pillows. A couple of days ago
I ran over a brown snake that was sunning itself on the road up here,
and after getting hit by the front and back wheel on the driver's side
it stuck it's head up, poked it's tongue out a few times and then
slithered off the road into the grass :)

LOL.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality
suspension system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

As mentioned earlier, the pressure not only depends on the tyre, but
what you're doing with it. For example, my Ranger has optional 20 inch
wheels with 255/55-R20 Highway tread tyres, and the recommended pressure
for those is 40psi. Obviously being a commercial vehicle it's pressures
are aimed at load carrying, but I'm not carrying a load with it all the
time and I don't like 40psi as it makes the ride a bit choppy. So I run
them at 35 pounds, and the ride is a hell of a lot nicer. The difference
in handling is zip.
Still, for soft spongy tyres, nothing beats my F100. It runs 75 series
tyres at 30psi and they're like driving on pillows. A couple of days ago
I ran over a brown snake that was sunning itself on the road up here,
and after getting hit by the front and back wheel on the driver's side
it stuck it's head up, poked it's tongue out a few times and then
slithered off the road into the grass :)

Quite obviously professional courtesy!

____
Xeno

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions,
driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario,

that's the bottom line

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
car manufacturers recommended pressures are a compromise between
grip, wear and ride etc so it depends on what your particular
preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart
quality suspension system :)

in a wanker wagon like the Ford Ranger the ride will always be crap

Post by Daryl
Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

Indeed.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

Absolutely.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Again, agreed.
For a little junk shopping cart like the MG in question the ride
quality is likely to be the main motivation behind the recommended
pressure settings, and that's likely to assist with the K-Mart quality
suspension system :)

Very likely that ride is their main priority for the 31psi.
I would only recommend increasing the tyre pressure if there was
increased load or sustained high speed such as a long interstate trip.

That is precisely what *manufacturers* recommend.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated
the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a
couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it
was not until today when I washed the car and decided to check
the tyre pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres
were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving
style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes
for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back in
1974. The first two questions asked were:

* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.

VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher than
32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with tyre
pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I didn't
own a VW.

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter what
pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at 50
psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who recommends
that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at 50
psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high. But then, it depends on the type of tyre and
the mass imposed on it. The *correct pressure* is the one that allows
the tread to remain flat and in full contact from one side of the tread
to the other. Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad
way - and wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who recommends
that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they
had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as
I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage
over time. however, it was not until today when I washed the
car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered
by how much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre
pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why
would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low
as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed
much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall
correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at 50
psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high.

it's way too high. it's horrible to ride in. it's not a big SUV, about
the same size as mine. a Holden of some sort.

Post by Xeno
But then, it depends on the type of tyre and the mass imposed on it.
The *correct pressure* is the one that allows the tread to remain flat
and in full contact from one side of the tread to the other.
Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad way - and
wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road
conditions, driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who
recommends that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra
high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't
matter what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going
to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they
had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as
I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage
over time. however, it was not until today when I washed the
car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered
by how much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre
pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why
would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low
as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed
much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall
correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at 50
psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high.

it's way too high. it's horrible to ride in. it's not a big SUV, about
the same size as mine. a Holden of some sort.

Well, the mid sized Holden SUV is the Equinox and the placarded tyre
pressures are a *minimum* of *35psi* which, to me, seems a reasonable
starting point for that type of vehicle. Run it lower than that and
you'll increase your slip angles which increases understeer and/or
oversteer. Underinflated tyres would definitely feel *vague* and
*squishy* on the road.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
But then, it depends on the type of tyre and the mass imposed on it.
The *correct pressure* is the one that allows the tread to remain flat
and in full contact from one side of the tread to the other.
Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad way - and
wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road
conditions, driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who
recommends that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra
high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't
matter what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going
to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by
the tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew
they had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about
it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air
seepage over time. however, it was not until today when I
washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures that
I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set
at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly
loaded. 260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan
Stagea. 31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a
barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of
pressure variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as
low as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores
employed much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi,
if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite
for a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that
they ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course,
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be
higher than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had
experimented with tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect
for my Escort and I didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at
50 psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high.

it's way too high. it's horrible to ride in. it's not a big SUV,
about the same size as mine. a Holden of some sort.

Well, the mid sized Holden SUV is the Equinox and the placarded tyre
pressures are a *minimum* of *35psi* which, to me, seems a reasonable
starting point for that type of vehicle. Run it lower than that and
you'll increase your slip angles which increases understeer and/or
oversteer. Underinflated tyres would definitely feel *vague* and
*squishy* on the road.

maybe this one .. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/holden-trax-63853

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
But then, it depends on the type of tyre and the mass imposed on it.
The *correct pressure* is the one that allows the tread to remain
flat and in full contact from one side of the tread to the other.
Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad way - and
wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road
conditions, driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and
ride etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who
recommends that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra
high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't
matter what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always
going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by
the tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew
they had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about
it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air
seepage over time. however, it was not until today when I
washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures that
I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set
at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly
loaded. 260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan
Stagea. 31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a
barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of
pressure variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as
low as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores
employed much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi,
if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite
for a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that
they ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course,
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be
higher than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had
experimented with tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect
for my Escort and I didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove higher
pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in his SUV at
50 psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high.

it's way too high. it's horrible to ride in. it's not a big SUV,
about the same size as mine. a Holden of some sort.

Well, the mid sized Holden SUV is the Equinox and the placarded tyre
pressures are a *minimum* of *35psi* which, to me, seems a reasonable
starting point for that type of vehicle. Run it lower than that and
you'll increase your slip angles which increases understeer and/or
oversteer. Underinflated tyres would definitely feel *vague* and
*squishy* on the road.

maybe this one .. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/holden-
trax-63853

Placarded pressures are the same for the Trax, minimum 35psi.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
But then, it depends on the type of tyre and the mass imposed on it.
The *correct pressure* is the one that allows the tread to remain
flat and in full contact from one side of the tread to the other.
Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad way - and
wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road
conditions, driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and
ride etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who
recommends that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra
high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't
matter what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always
going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by
the tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset
the pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I
knew they had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned
about it, as I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow
for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre
pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but
all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly
loaded. 260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my
Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle
like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type
of tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and
your driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In
some cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a
lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of
pressure variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as
low as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores
employed much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around
34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi.
All weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime
requisite for a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre
pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that
they ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course,
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be
higher than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had
experimented with tyre pressures and found that 34psi was
perfect for my Escort and I didn't own a VW.

I also know someone who did a driving course and they prove
higher pressures give better performance. he runs the tyres in
his SUV at 50 psi, and it rides like it has no suspension.

50 psi seems a tad high.

it's way too high. it's horrible to ride in. it's not a big SUV,
about the same size as mine. a Holden of some sort.

Well, the mid sized Holden SUV is the Equinox and the placarded tyre
pressures are a *minimum* of *35psi* which, to me, seems a
reasonable starting point for that type of vehicle. Run it lower
than that and you'll increase your slip angles which increases
understeer and/or oversteer. Underinflated tyres would definitely
feel *vague* and *squishy* on the road.

maybe this one .. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/holden-
trax-63853

Placarded pressures are the same for the Trax, minimum 35psi.

hmmm...

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
But then, it depends on the type of tyre and the mass imposed on
it. The *correct pressure* is the one that allows the tread to
remain flat and in full contact from one side of the tread to the
other. Overpressure tends to distort the contact patch in a bad
way - and wear out the tread centre faster.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many
factors that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road
conditions, driving style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and
ride etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

so you know better than MG then, and any other car maker who
recommends that tyre pressure

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra
high performance etc etc is more important than pressure,
doesn't matter what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are
always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

Increased tyre pressure doesn't always improve handling, it may have
been true in 1974 but not 2024.

Post by Trevor Wilson
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back in

You do realize that 1974 was 50yrs ago?

Post by Trevor Wilson
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.

He may have been correct with regard to pre 1974 VW's but they are few
and far between in 2024.

Post by Trevor Wilson
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher than
32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with tyre
pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I didn't
own a VW.

Tyre and suspension design has changed a lot in 50yrs, fit a set of new
R spec tyres to your Escort and run them at 22psi and the improvement
would be astronomical.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Depends by what you mean by low, the car manufacturers recommended
pressure is not "low".

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think that
you know better than Porsche engineers?
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is the
mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

I only buy Michelin, won't have any other brand.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

Increased tyre pressure doesn't always improve handling, it may have
been true in 1974 but not 2024.

Post by Trevor Wilson
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back

You do realize that 1974 was 50yrs ago?

Post by Trevor Wilson
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.

He may have been correct with regard to pre 1974 VW's but they are few
and far between in 2024.

Post by Trevor Wilson
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

Tyre and suspension design has changed a lot in 50yrs, fit a set of new
R spec tyres to your Escort and run them at 22psi and the improvement
would be astronomical.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Depends by what you mean by low, the car manufacturers recommended
pressure is not "low".

Manufacturers recommended pressures are a good *average*. Usage and
personal preferences will vary them.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think that
you know better than Porsche engineers?

FFS Daryl, you too? Mass Daryl, it's all about the mass on the tyres.
For instance, where is the engine on that Boxster? It's a mid engine
driving the rear wheels so a great deal more mass at the rear. So, what
are the tyre pressures at the rear then? I'll help you, since you appear
clueless, it's 36psi. A 29/36 split. So, the tyre pressures on your
Boxster are pretty much what I would expect given tyre profile, type and
mass distribution over the 4 wheels. How about a typical Beetle of the
60s? For a 1968 1500cc Beetle it's 17/26, That tyre pressure assumes
crossply tyres I might add. For Radials I'd expect to bump those
pressures up by 4-5psi. As I said in a previous post, it's all about the
mass.
As a *supposedly qualified* mechanic, I would expect you to have much
more of a clue about tyres and handling. Sadly, you seem no better
informed than Darren and he quite obviously doesn't have a clue.
Certainly it is evident that he has never had any *formal training* in
tyres, steering and suspensions but, since he was never an apprentice,
that is to be expected. You, however, have had the training. Maybe it
was way above your ken, would explain why you became a cleaner.

Post by Daryl
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is the
mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.

As I said, it's all about the mass.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

I only buy Michelin, won't have any other brand.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl
Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think

that you know better than Porsche engineers?

**I suggest you consult the Porsche manual for the correct information:

https://www.porscheontario.com/blog/how-do-you-check-the-tire-pressure-on-a-classic-porsche-boxster-986/

Post by Daryl
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is

the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.

**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra

high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

I only buy Michelin, won't have any other brand.

**I've run Michelins and they were excellent, but I prefer Pirellis on
both my cars. I think the original tyres on the Subaru were a little
better, but the Pirellis are plenty good enough and are a little easier
on my arse. That said, I don't spend $1k per corner on tyres either. One
of my clients runs a GT3. He reckons the Kumhos are the duck's guts.
Mind you: They are $800.00 each tyre (wholesale).

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think

that you know better than Porsche engineers?
https://www.porscheontario.com/blog/how-do-you-check-the-tire-pressure-
on-a-classic-porsche-boxster-986/

"we recommended consulting your owner’s manual for model specific
recommendations."

See above, the recommended pressure as per the tyre sticker under the
front boot lid is 29psi which is in the middle of the range stated in
the article.
The ride is pretty firm so increasing the pressure is only going to make
that worse, at 29psi the grip is amazing so I can't see any point in
changing it up or down.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is

the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

Not even close.
The Nissans biggest problem is weight, most weigh in excess of 1700kg
which is around double the weight of an Elise and weight is a big factor
in handling, its much easier to stop and turn 850kg than 1730kg.
The GTR's are great cars and would be a much better all round road car
than an Elise but when it comes to pure sports cars the Elise is by far
the better of the 2.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra

high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and

handling.

Post by Daryl
I only buy Michelin, won't have any other brand.

**I've run Michelins and they were excellent, but I prefer Pirellis on
both my cars. I think the original tyres on the Subaru were a little
better, but the Pirellis are plenty good enough and are a little easier
on my arse.

The OE tyres on our WRX were Dunlop SP Sports, no shortage of grip but
they didn't last very long, the Michelin Pilot Sport 4's that replaced
them had as much grip but they lasted a lot more kms.
No noticeable difference in the ride, price about the same, the Michelin
slightly cheaper.

That said, I don't spend $1k per corner on tyres either. One

Post by Trevor Wilson
of my clients runs a GT3. He reckons the Kumhos are the duck's guts.
Mind you: They are $800.00 each tyre (wholesale).

Any tyre that size with the recommended speed rating is going to be
expensive.
Youngest son's girlfriend has a 2013 MB C350 Coupe, Michelins for the
rear were $680 each so it now has Kumho's, so far they are very happy
with them.
The Michelin Primacy on my C240 are more than 7.5yrs old and have done
65,000km, only about half worn, no difference in grip from when they
were new.
Michelin recommend a max tyre life of 10yrs and by the look of mine they
will last that long which makes them a "cheap" tyre when you work out
how many cents per km they cost to own.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

Not even close.
The Nissans biggest problem is weight, most weigh in excess of 1700kg
which is around double the weight of an Elise and weight is a big factor
in handling, its much easier to stop and turn 850kg than 1730kg.
The GTR's are great cars and would be a much better all round road car
than an Elise but when it comes to pure sports cars the Elise is by far
the better of the 2.

I think it would depend on what you were doing with it. On a long track
with a mix of lengthy straights and a few twisties the Nissan would
probably have the edge. Yeah, it's quite a bit heavier, but it makes a
shitload more power and has AWD to pull it out of corners quickly.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise
a good run for the money.

Not even close.
The Nissans biggest problem is weight, most weigh in excess of 1700kg
which is around double the weight of an Elise and weight is a big
factor in handling, its much easier to stop and turn 850kg than 1730kg.
The GTR's are great cars and would be a much better all round road car
than an Elise but when it comes to pure sports cars the Elise is by
far the better of the 2.

I think it would depend on what you were doing with it. On a long track
with a mix of lengthy straights and a few twisties the Nissan would
probably have the edge. Yeah, it's quite a bit heavier, but it makes a
shitload more power and has AWD to pull it out of corners quickly.

Only track where I've seen GTR's being faster than an Elise is Phillip
Island which is a very high speed circuit, Sandown has long fast
straights where top speed is an advantage so the GTR would at least keep up.
At tracks like Winton a GTR wouldn't see which way the Lotus went so as
you say its track dependent.
Like what you said about Go karts, their light weight is a huge advantage.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise
a good run for the money.

Not even close.
The Nissans biggest problem is weight, most weigh in excess of 1700kg
which is around double the weight of an Elise and weight is a big
factor in handling, its much easier to stop and turn 850kg than 1730kg.
The GTR's are great cars and would be a much better all round road
car than an Elise but when it comes to pure sports cars the Elise is
by far the better of the 2.

I think it would depend on what you were doing with it. On a long
track with a mix of lengthy straights and a few twisties the Nissan
would probably have the edge. Yeah, it's quite a bit heavier, but it
makes a shitload more power and has AWD to pull it out of corners
quickly.

Only track where I've seen GTR's being faster than an Elise is Phillip
Island which is a very high speed circuit, Sandown has long fast
straights where top speed is an advantage so the GTR would at least keep up.
At tracks like Winton a GTR wouldn't see which way the Lotus went so as
you say its track dependent.
Like what you said about Go karts, their light weight is a huge advantage.

The advantage of a go-kart is the length of the *wheelbase*. The weight
advantage is reduced if the driver is a cat funt!

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

 >
 > Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think
that you know better than Porsche engineers?
https://www.porscheontario.com/blog/how-do-you-check-the-tire-
pressure- on-a-classic-porsche-boxster-986/

"we recommended consulting your owner’s manual for model specific
recommendations."
See above, the recommended pressure as per the tyre sticker under the
front boot lid is 29psi which is in the middle of the range stated in
the article.
The ride is pretty firm so increasing the pressure is only going to make
that worse, at 29psi the grip is amazing so I can't see any point in
changing it up or down.

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is
the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car
ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly
because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

Not even close.

You might be overstepping it a bit there!

Post by Daryl
The Nissans biggest problem is weight, most weigh in excess of 1700kg
which is around double the weight of an Elise and weight is a big factor

What a load of shit! In the comparison between a *mid-engine* RWD Elise
and a front engine RWD Nissan, the real elephant in the room is the
*Polar Moment of Inertia*.

Post by Daryl
in handling, its much easier to stop

Stopping is determined by the size of the brakes relative to the vehicle
as well as the size of the tyre contact patch.

Post by Daryl
and turn 850kg than 1730kg.

Nope, the real answer is *where* the mass is located with respect to the
CofG and the Yaw Centre.

Post by Daryl
The GTR's are great cars and would be a much better all round road car

The GTR is not intended to be a better *all round road car*. Instead, it
was designed to dominate Group A class racing. That dates back as far as
1989, possibly earlier. The all wheel drive system it used was specially
developed for racing.

Post by Daryl
than an Elise but when it comes to pure sports cars the Elise is by far
the better of the 2.

The GTR will be much more controllable at high speed than the Elise. The
GTR will require more effort to turn while the Elise will be *nimbler*
*but* much more easy to *over correct* and get into a spin.

https://decarreteres.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/chassis-engineering-polar-moment-of-inertia/

For this reason the vast majority of racing cars have mid engines
and try to ensure that all the masses are as close as possible to
the center of gravity, having as a result a very agile vehicle,
even though it also means abrupt reactions.

The problem is that the average driver is *not* a racing driver and is
generally not comfortable with a car that reacts too quickly. Agility is
a double edged sword for the average driver.

In summary, it matters *where* the mass is, not how much.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is

the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.

If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take a
drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you pay 5
bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull start
lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great handling" is all
about, and learn how every car on the planet pales by comparison.

Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

[Shane]

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is
the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car
ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly
because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take a
drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you pay 5
bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull start
lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great handling" is all
about, and learn how every car on the planet pales by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

The BoM site has just updated its alert for areas west of Melbourne
from, "Severe Thunderstorm Warning for HEAVY RAINFALL and DAMAGING
WINDS" to, "TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

In addition to all previous alerts, there is now a life-threatening
amount of bullshit emerging from the Merrimu region. You are advised
move to somewhere safer. And nicer. Like Queenstown in Tasmania".

And FFS Fraudster! Given your lifelong history of owning shitheaps,
sprouting lies galore and your total inability to absorb *any*
understanding on the subjects of handling, braking or steering, surely
even you and your ginormous ego can't *still* believe that anyone gives
a rodents' rectum for your inane lies and brayings.

Oh, and btw, re... "Trust me." Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Good one!
"I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from drag racing..."

And as certain as anything can be, Fraudster shoots his idiot self in
the stump where his foot used to be.

Tell me Fraudster, how neatly do you think that your "... three years in
Karts [sic. Christ! You can't even get the name right!] after retiring
from drag..." fits with you "retiring" from drag because your "business"
(Yep! The fabled NA of Mum'n'Dads backyard) was becoming the super
profitable goldmine of legend?

You are a buffoon Gibbens.
Always have been, always will be.



alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Shane

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that
is the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road
car ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi
mostly because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise
a good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take
a drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you
pay 5 bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull
start lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great
handling" is all about, and learn how every car on the planet pales
by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

The BoM site has just updated its alert for areas west of Melbourne
from, "Severe Thunderstorm Warning for HEAVY RAINFALL and DAMAGING
WINDS" to, "TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
In addition to all previous alerts, there is now a life-threatening
amount of bullshit emerging from the Merrimu region. You are advised
move to somewhere safer. And nicer. Like Queenstown in Tasmania".
And FFS Fraudster! Given your lifelong history of owning shitheaps,
sprouting lies galore and your total inability to absorb *any*
understanding on the subjects of handling, braking or steering, surely
even you and your ginormous ego can't *still* believe that anyone
gives a rodents' rectum for your inane lies and brayings.
Oh, and btw, re... "Trust me." Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Good one!
"I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from drag racing..."
And as certain as anything can be, Fraudster shoots his idiot self in
the stump where his foot used to be.
Tell me Fraudster, how neatly do you think that your "... three years
in Karts [sic. Christ! You can't even get the name right!] after
retiring from drag..." fits with you "retiring" from drag because your
"business" (Yep! The fabled NA of Mum'n'Dads backyard) was becoming
the super profitable goldmine of legend?
You are a buffoon Gibbens.
Always have been, always will be.

no doubt they'll be no pics..

Post by Shane
alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Shane

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that
is the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road
car ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi
mostly because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise
a good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take
a drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you
pay 5 bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull
start lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great
handling" is all about, and learn how every car on the planet pales
by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

The BoM site has just updated its alert for areas west of Melbourne
from, "Severe Thunderstorm Warning for HEAVY RAINFALL and DAMAGING
WINDS" to, "TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
In addition to all previous alerts, there is now a life-threatening
amount of bullshit emerging from the Merrimu region. You are advised
move to somewhere safer. And nicer. Like Queenstown in Tasmania".
And FFS Fraudster! Given your lifelong history of owning shitheaps,
sprouting lies galore and your total inability to absorb *any*
understanding on the subjects of handling, braking or steering, surely
even you and your ginormous ego can't *still* believe that anyone
gives a rodents' rectum for your inane lies and brayings.
Oh, and btw, re... "Trust me." Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Good one!
"I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from drag racing..."
And as certain as anything can be, Fraudster shoots his idiot self in
the stump where his foot used to be.
Tell me Fraudster, how neatly do you think that your "... three years
in Karts [sic. Christ! You can't even get the name right!] after
retiring from drag..." fits with you "retiring" from drag because your
"business" (Yep! The fabled NA of Mum'n'Dads backyard) was becoming
the super profitable goldmine of legend?
You are a buffoon Gibbens.
Always have been, always will be.

no doubt they'll be no pics..

Any pics he might try to supply will be someone else's dummied up to
pretend they are his. He has form there.

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Shane

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that
is the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road
car ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi
mostly because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I
would call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give
an Elise a good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go
take a drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one
you pay 5 bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a
pull start lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great
handling" is all about, and learn how every car on the planet pales
by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

The BoM site has just updated its alert for areas west of Melbourne
from, "Severe Thunderstorm Warning for HEAVY RAINFALL and DAMAGING
WINDS" to, "TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
In addition to all previous alerts, there is now a life-threatening
amount of bullshit emerging from the Merrimu region. You are advised
move to somewhere safer. And nicer. Like Queenstown in Tasmania".
And FFS Fraudster! Given your lifelong history of owning shitheaps,
sprouting lies galore and your total inability to absorb *any*
understanding on the subjects of handling, braking or steering,
surely even you and your ginormous ego can't *still* believe that
anyone gives a rodents' rectum for your inane lies and brayings.
Oh, and btw, re... "Trust me." Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Good one!
"I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from drag racing..."
And as certain as anything can be, Fraudster shoots his idiot self in
the stump where his foot used to be.
Tell me Fraudster, how neatly do you think that your "... three years
in Karts [sic. Christ! You can't even get the name right!] after
retiring from drag..." fits with you "retiring" from drag because
your "business" (Yep! The fabled NA of Mum'n'Dads backyard) was
becoming the super profitable goldmine of legend?
You are a buffoon Gibbens.
Always have been, always will be.

no doubt they'll be no pics..

Any pics he might try to supply will be someone else's dummied up to
pretend they are his. He has form there.

Really? I don't recall that. Tell me more.

[Xeno]

Post by alvey

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Shane

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and
that is the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling
road car ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than
30psi mostly because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very
good indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what
I would call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would
give an Elise a good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go
take a drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not
one you pay 5 bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered
by a pull start lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what
"great handling" is all about, and learn how every car on the
planet pales by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

The BoM site has just updated its alert for areas west of Melbourne
from, "Severe Thunderstorm Warning for HEAVY RAINFALL and DAMAGING
WINDS" to, "TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
In addition to all previous alerts, there is now a life-threatening
amount of bullshit emerging from the Merrimu region. You are advised
move to somewhere safer. And nicer. Like Queenstown in Tasmania".
And FFS Fraudster! Given your lifelong history of owning shitheaps,
sprouting lies galore and your total inability to absorb *any*
understanding on the subjects of handling, braking or steering,
surely even you and your ginormous ego can't *still* believe that
anyone gives a rodents' rectum for your inane lies and brayings.
Oh, and btw, re... "Trust me." Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Good one!
"I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from drag racing..."
And as certain as anything can be, Fraudster shoots his idiot self
in the stump where his foot used to be.
Tell me Fraudster, how neatly do you think that your "... three
years in Karts [sic. Christ! You can't even get the name right!]
after retiring from drag..." fits with you "retiring" from drag
because your "business" (Yep! The fabled NA of Mum'n'Dads backyard)
was becoming the super profitable goldmine of legend?
You are a buffoon Gibbens.
Always have been, always will be.

no doubt they'll be no pics..

Any pics he might try to supply will be someone else's dummied up to
pretend they are his. He has form there.

Really? I don't recall that. Tell me more.

A long time back he posted pics of an engine he *claimed* to be working
on. Problem was, it didn't look like it was in his workshop. IIRC, I
found another couple of pics online that weren't his but looked like the
same engine. I'm sure I mentioned it at the time. Google was his *enema*
that day!

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is
the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car
ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly
because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take a
drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you pay 5
bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull start
lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great handling" is all
about, and learn how every car on the planet pales by comparison.
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern Creek
Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire units
not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the steering
was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose, to be
expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand sweeper
where you could hang the back out, and play it with the throttle, well
until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to from
where I lived.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern Creek
Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire units
not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the steering
was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose, to be
expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand sweeper
where you could hang the back out, and play it with the throttle, well
until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.

The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in service
as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc Yammy 2
stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran direct
drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.

To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing the
Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had some
speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to "bump
start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the engine fired
and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand on the brake
pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop and stall the
engine.

Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go. I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races were
run on a rolling start.

As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive with
only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice between
straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you could get
moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track like Geelong
or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you could hit 160km/h
pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your arse cheeks an inch off
the asphalt.

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to from
where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a number
of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away being
about an hour & a half away.

It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for not a
huge outlay with very little time & expense required between meetings.
The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set back then with
a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and gearsets which were
the most common consumable as they would wear reasonably quickly thanks
to them being made from laser cut aluminium and not being lubricated
while you were on the track as you weren't permitted to run a chain
oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all. 20 litres of fuel would
last you a long week-end.

It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the chance.
It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire
units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the
steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose, to
be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand
sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it with the
throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in service
as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc Yammy 2
stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran direct
drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing the
Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had some
speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to "bump
start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the engine fired
and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand on the brake
pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop and stall the
engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races were
run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive with
only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice between
straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you could get
moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track like Geelong
or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you could hit 160km/h
pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your arse cheeks an inch off
the asphalt.

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a number
of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away being
about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for not a
huge outlay with very little time & expense required between meetings.
The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set back then with
a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and gearsets which were
the most common consumable as they would wear reasonably quickly thanks
to them being made from laser cut aluminium and not being lubricated
while you were on the track as you weren't permitted to run a chain
oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all. 20 litres of fuel would
last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the chance.
It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Give it up Darren, your credibility is shot to shit!

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

There's a thought! I'd happily pay someone a bag of gold to supply
Fraudsters' search history.



alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc
Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran
direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had
some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to
"bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the
engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand
on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop
and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..

"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50 miles
per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and conditions."

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a
number of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away
being about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for
not a huge outlay with very little time & expense required between
meetings. The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set
back then with a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and
gearsets which were the most common consumable as they would wear
reasonably quickly thanks to them being made from laser cut aluminium
and not being lubricated while you were on the track as you weren't
permitted to run a chain oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all.
20 litres of fuel would last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Give it up Darren, your credibility is shot to shit!

is it ever!

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have
with your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you
think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how
heavy the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was,
I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was
one left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play
it with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun
out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a
100cc Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and
they ran direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you
had some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the
ground to "bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon
as the engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd
simply stand on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a
complete stop and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..
"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50
miles per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and
conditions."

and this is what it looked like..

https://www.facebook.com/cossorraceengines/posts/arrow-a9s-with-sand-cast-yamaha-this-combination-is-suitable-for-historic-racing/108125934496381/

or.. https://tinyurl.com/4kcnen69

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a
number of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest
away being about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for
not a huge outlay with very little time & expense required between
meetings. The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set
back then with a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and
gearsets which were the most common consumable as they would wear
reasonably quickly thanks to them being made from laser cut
aluminium and not being lubricated while you were on the track as
you weren't permitted to run a chain oiler. Outside of that there
was bugger all. 20 litres of fuel would last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Give it up Darren, your credibility is shot to shit!

is it ever!

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have
with your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you
think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how
heavy the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was,
I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was
one left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play
it with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun
out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a
100cc Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and
they ran direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you
had some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the
ground to "bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon
as the engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd
simply stand on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a
complete stop and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..
"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50
miles per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and
conditions."

and this is what it looked like..
https://www.facebook.com/cossorraceengines/posts/arrow-a9s-with-sand-cast-yamaha-this-combination-is-suitable-for-historic-racing/108125934496381/
or.. https://tinyurl.com/4kcnen69

His bullshit *always* brings him undone. Always.

Said it so many times now.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc
Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran
direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had
some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to
"bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the
engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand
on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop
and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been

Oh dear! Has Darren been caught out *BULLSHITTING*?? *AGAIN*??

Post by Mighty Mouse
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..
"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50 miles
per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and conditions."

I figured as much!

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a
number of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away
being about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for
not a huge outlay with very little time & expense required between
meetings. The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set
back then with a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and
gearsets which were the most common consumable as they would wear
reasonably quickly thanks to them being made from laser cut aluminium
and not being lubricated while you were on the track as you weren't
permitted to run a chain oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all.
20 litres of fuel would last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Give it up Darren, your credibility is shot to shit!

is it ever!

[alvey]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if they
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc
Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran
direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had
some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to
"bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the
engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand
on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop
and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..
"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50 miles
per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and conditions."

lol!
So this is just a revised version of one of my Favourite Fraudster
Fables. 'The Crashing of The Fast and Furious Fairlaine'! Another
Fraudster vehicle which went seriously faster than Ford said it would
new. AND in "pissing rain" in the small hours of the night. What a
magnificent tale of derring doo! With heaps of doo doo. I laughed like a
flock of well-fed Kookaburras on a summer morning.

Anyhoo, top effort in steering the thread back to your pathetic self
Fraudster. Needed a laugh!


alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have
with your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you
think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how
heavy the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was,
I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was
one left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play
it with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and
spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the

Darren's been Googling in order to shore up his bullshit claims.

Post by Noddy
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's. Don't know if
they still make them, but there's probably a number of them still
in service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a
100cc Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and
they ran direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you
had some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the
ground to "bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon
as the engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd
simply stand on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a
complete stop and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.

Darren's go-kart experience was with the *little kids*. Sounds fair!

Post by Noddy
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive
with only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing
choice between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some
tracks you could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm,
and at a track like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long
straights you could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful
fast with your arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

bullshit! go-Karts never went that fast! it would never have been
allowed for safety reasons. And here's what Copilot said about the
ArrowA9s..
"The Arrow A9s go-kart is a classic racing kart known for its
performance and agility. It typically has a top speed of around 50
miles per hour (80 kilometers per hour), depending on the track and
conditions."

lol!
So this is just a revised version of one of my Favourite Fraudster
Fables. 'The Crashing of The Fast and Furious Fairlaine'! Another
Fraudster vehicle which went seriously faster than Ford said it would
new. AND in "pissing rain" in the small hours of the night. What a
magnificent tale of derring doo! With heaps of doo doo. I laughed like
a flock of well-fed Kookaburras on a summer morning.

LOL

Post by alvey
Anyhoo, top effort in steering the thread back to your pathetic self
Fraudster. Needed a laugh!
alvey

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire
units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the
steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose, to
be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand
sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it with the
throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's.

Pretty sure Arrow still make karts, son used to do their IT work, I have
an Arrow cap which is autographed by one of the V8 Supercar drivers
(Jason Bright) who was their test driver.

Don't know if they

Post by Noddy
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in service
as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc Yammy 2
stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran direct
drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing the
Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had some
speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to "bump
start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the engine fired
and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand on the brake
pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop and stall the
engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races were
run on a rolling start.
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive with
only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice between
straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you could get
moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track like Geelong
or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you could hit 160km/h
pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your arse cheeks an inch off
the asphalt.

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a number
of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away being
about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for not a
huge outlay with very little time & expense required between meetings.
The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set back then with
a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and gearsets which were
the most common consumable as they would wear reasonably quickly thanks
to them being made from laser cut aluminium and not being lubricated
while you were on the track as you weren't permitted to run a chain
oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all. 20 litres of fuel would
last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the chance.
It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Did you ever have a go at the indoor track in the Laverton Nth/Derrimut
area that used electric powered karts?
Those things were nuts, too fast for me, I badly bruised my ribs when I
lost it at full speed and went into a tyre wall.
I think it closed a few years ago.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire
units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the
steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose,
to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand
sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it with the
throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's.

Pretty sure Arrow still make karts, son used to do their IT work, I have
an Arrow cap which is autographed by one of the V8 Supercar drivers
(Jason Bright) who was their test driver.
 Don't know if they

Post by Noddy
still make them, but there's probably a number of them still in
service as they were enormously popular. They were powered by a 100cc
Yammy 2 stroke engine made specifically for Kart racing, and they ran
direct drive single ratio gearing with no clutch.
To start the things you would basically run along beside it pushing
the Kart while holding the rear end clear of the ground until you had
some speed up, at which point you'd drop the rear onto the ground to
"bump start" the engine and then jump in the seat as soon as the
engine fired and hit the gas pedal. To shut it off you'd simply stand
on the brake pedal hard enough to bring the thing to a complete stop
and stall the engine.
Sounds pretty pre-historic, but it was easy enough to do and worked
well. Some of the little kids had their Dads do it while they were
sitting in the Kart ready to go.  I haven't had anything to do with
Karts in an awfully long time and don't know if that's what they do
today, but it was the "state of the art" back then. Obviously races
were run on a rolling start.
As for performance they were quite impressive. Being direct drive with
only a single gear ratio you had to balance your gearing choice
between straight line speed and acceleration, but on some tracks you
could get moving. The engines were good for 14000rpm, and at a track
like Geelong or Kerang which had exceptionally long straights you
could hit 160km/h pretty easily which is fuck-awful fast with your
arse cheeks an inch off the asphalt.

Post by Keithr0
I'd have gone back for more but it was a prick of a place to get to
from where I lived.

I was lucky in that where I lived in Altona there was a track in
Brooklyn which was about 7 minutes drive away. There were also a
number of decent tracks in Victoria back then, with the furthest away
being about an hour & a half away.
It was a period that I really enjoyed as it was *loads* of fun for not
a huge outlay with very little time & expense required between
meetings. The biggest expense was tyres which were under 200 a set
back then with a couple of sets easily lasting me a year or so, and
gearsets which were the most common consumable as they would wear
reasonably quickly thanks to them being made from laser cut aluminium
and not being lubricated while you were on the track as you weren't
permitted to run a chain oiler. Outside of that there was bugger all.
20 litres of fuel would last you a long week-end.
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Did you ever have a go at the indoor track in the Laverton Nth/Derrimut
area that used electric powered karts?

Go on, exercise Darren's imagination! LOL

Post by Daryl
Those things were nuts, too fast for me, I badly bruised my ribs when I
lost it at full speed and went into a tyre wall.
I think it closed a few years ago.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's.

Pretty sure Arrow still make karts, son used to do their IT work, I have
an Arrow cap which is autographed by one of the V8 Supercar drivers
(Jason Bright) who was their test driver.

Cool.

Can't remember where they were now. Got a feeling it was somewhere like
Glenhuntly or Huntingdale, but I'm not sure. I had some old junker Kart
as a try out machine before deciding that I wanted to buy a real one, so
I bought the Arrow brand new. Back then they had a showroom at their
factory, and when you went in and placed an order you had to pick the
size of your seat. They had this big line of various sized seats all
mounted along one of the walls, and you just went along sitting in them
until you found the size that you liked. Once you did and they noted it,
that was recorded against your order and your chassis was built with the
necessary bracket spacing to suit the seat.

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Did you ever have a go at the indoor track in the Laverton Nth/Derrimut
area that used electric powered karts?

No, I never did unfortunately.

Post by Daryl
Those things were nuts, too fast for me, I badly bruised my ribs when I
lost it at full speed and went into a tyre wall.
I think it closed a few years ago.

I did take my kid and a few of his mates to the indoor track in Sunshine
on Ballarat Road and that was pretty cool. They used petrol powered
Karts with what looked to be industrial Honda engines and while they
weren't super quick they were fast enough for the track.

I set the fastest lap time of the day as I recall. One of the Mums
watching the race was quite surprised at the end to see me pull off my
helmet to reveal a grey headed old cunt who looked like he would be more
comfortable asleep on a nearby couch :)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s". They were all the
rage back in the day which was very early 1990's.

Pretty sure Arrow still make karts, son used to do their IT work, I
have an Arrow cap which is autographed by one of the V8 Supercar
drivers (Jason Bright) who was their test driver.

Cool.
Can't remember where they were now. Got a feeling it was somewhere like
Glenhuntly or Huntingdale, but I'm not sure. I had some old junker Kart
as a try out machine before deciding that I wanted to buy a real one, so
I bought the Arrow brand new. Back then they had a showroom at their
factory, and when you went in and placed an order you had to pick the
size of your seat. They had this big line of various sized seats all
mounted along one of the walls, and you just went along sitting in them
until you found the size that you liked. Once you did and they noted it,
that was recorded against your order and your chassis was built with the
necessary bracket spacing to suit the seat.

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the
chance. It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Did you ever have a go at the indoor track in the Laverton Nth/
Derrimut area that used electric powered karts?

No, I never did unfortunately.

Post by Daryl
Those things were nuts, too fast for me, I badly bruised my ribs when
I lost it at full speed and went into a tyre wall.
I think it closed a few years ago.

I did take my kid and a few of his mates to the indoor track in Sunshine
on Ballarat Road and that was pretty cool. They used petrol powered
Karts with what looked to be industrial Honda engines and while they
weren't super quick they were fast enough for the track.
I set the fastest lap time of the day as I recall. One of the Mums
watching the race was quite surprised at the end to see me pull off my
helmet to reveal a grey headed old cunt who looked like he would be more
comfortable asleep on a nearby couch :)

LOL.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy
I set the fastest lap time of the day as I recall. One of the Mums
watching the race was quite surprised at the end to see me pull off my
helmet to reveal a grey headed old cunt who looked like he would be
more comfortable asleep on a nearby couch :)

LOL.

Hey Deryl! I've got this pile of old scrap iron in Paris that you might
be interested in. Will do you a special price.



alvey
Wondering if DNA engineering will ever be capable of weeding out the
dumb...

[Xeno]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy
I set the fastest lap time of the day as I recall. One of the Mums
watching the race was quite surprised at the end to see me pull off
my helmet to reveal a grey headed old cunt who looked like he would
be more comfortable asleep on a nearby couch :)

LOL.

Hey Deryl! I've got this pile of old scrap iron in Paris that you might
be interested in. Will do you a special price.

That's 7,000 metric tons of puddling iron, what we would call wrought
iron today, so not a lot of use in today's world - but don't tell him
that. Hey, would make a shitload of garden ornaments though. I hear tell
there's a sucker for that shit in Merrimu.

Post by alvey
alvey
Wondering if DNA engineering will ever be capable of weeding out the
dumb...

One would hope DNA engineering would *prevent* the dumb from being born
at all.

Darwin's theory seems to be making better progress at *deleting* or
weeding out the seriously dumb.

[alvey]

Noddy wrote:

snip a fine crop

Post by Noddy
It was certainly great fun. Hard work, but fun and I thoroughly
recommend anyone avail themselves of driving one if they get the chance.
It'll make your car seem positively hideous by comparison :)

Well any comparison is redundant for you Fraudster. Your Ranga is
"positively hideous" all by itself. Like you come to think of it.



alvey
Observing that it's no longer just dogs that take after their owners...

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire
units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the
steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose, to
be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand
sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it with the
throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!

C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

[alvey]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously, hire
units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy the
steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I suppose,
to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one left hand
sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it with the
throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

You mad optimist you!

It's been years and years since an Enabler has questioned any of the
Fraudsters' pathetic lies or all-round stupidities. I have nfi why they
*still* defend him. Although their obvious suffering from NBVB (Not
Being Very Bright) is almost certainly a significant factor.


alvey
Seen Gibbens' Grange collection *yet* Deryl?

[Xeno]

Post by alvey

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,

Can you imagine Darren at a team bonding day?? A team of *one*,
narcissists aren't good at any sort of bonding!

Post by alvey

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

You mad optimist you!
It's been years and years since an Enabler has questioned any of the
Fraudsters' pathetic lies or all-round stupidities. I have nfi why they
*still* defend him. Although their obvious suffering from NBVB

Well, they long ago stopped defending his claims to be a dual qualified
tradie with three (3???) apprenticeships under his belt. I think they
started seeing that as a folly when Grumpy said he didn't need to check
Darren's bone fides since he *trusted him*. Trusted Darren? What an
absolute horse laugh! And the option of any one of them nipping down to
PROV when they are in town is always there - only requires a modiucum of
pre-planning - register a profile, look up the relevant archives, order
them out on (for) the day you will be in Nth Melb. You get the chance of
perusal over a whole week. Pick the right data sets and you can be in
and out of PROV in less than an hour.

Post by alvey
(Not Being Very Bright) is almost certainly a significant factor.

Speaking of NBVB, I wonder how Grumpy's *Masters* degree is coming
along? Looks like it was like Grumpy himself, all piss and wind.

Post by alvey
alvey
Seen Gibbens' Grange collection *yet* Deryl?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

Here's a tip, try telling somebody who gives a shit.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

Here's a tip, try telling somebody who gives a shit.

These imbeciles have no idea what the fuck they're talking about :)

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with
your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think
you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how heavy
the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was, I
suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was one
left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play it
with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

He doesn't care about facts, if he did he wouldn't be a fraud enabler.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have
with your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you
think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how
heavy the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was,
I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was
one left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play
it with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and
spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

He doesn't care about facts, if he did he wouldn't be a fraud enabler.

yep!

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired
from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have
with your clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you
think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at Eastern
Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but, obviously,
hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at first by how
heavy the steering was, but given how high geared it was that was,
I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track lots of fun, there was
one left hand sweeper where you could hang the back out, and play
it with the throttle, well until, inevitably, I overdid it and
spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

He doesn't care about facts, if he did he wouldn't be a fraud enabler.

yep!

And what "Facts" are we supposed to be talking about here?

We could talk about facts like how you diagnose a single misfire by
looking at long term fuel trim days later, or how you pay off a house in
six years by fixing ECUs, but your hero and mentour seems strangely
reluctant to do so.

BTW, since you and your hero are into stupid childish names,ot's only
fitting that you should have one too. So here it is "Mudguard".

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Trust me. I spent three years competing in Karts after I
retired from drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll
ever have with your clothes on it will totally destroy the
enjoyment you think you'll get from *any* car :)

Yearh, tried it a few years ago at a "Team bonding" day at
Eastern Creek Raceway in Sydney. They were proper karts, but,
obviously, hire units not top racers. I was a bit shocked at
first by how heavy the steering was, but given how high geared
it was that was, I suppose, to be expected. Out on the track
lots of fun, there was one left hand sweeper where you could
hang the back out, and play it with the throttle, well until,
inevitably, I overdid it and spun out.

They're certainly hard work, but incredibly enjoyable.
The Kart I owned was a thing called an "Arrow A9s".

Absolute BULLSHIT!
C'mon Sliemey, even you can check the facts on this absolute load of crap.

yes, there's been nothing further from BushyBrows on this..

He doesn't care about facts, if he did he wouldn't be a fraud enabler.

yep!

And what "Facts" are we supposed to be talking about here?

the fact that the Arrow A9's go-Kart's top speed is 80k klmph per hour
so Faudster's claim he did 160klmh in his is bullshit, and are most of
his claims.

Post by Keithr0
We could talk about facts like how you diagnose a single misfire by
looking at long term fuel trim days later, or how you pay off a house
in six years by fixing ECUs, but your hero and mentour seems strangely
reluctant to do so.
BTW, since you and your hero are into stupid childish names, it's only
fitting that you should have one too. So here it is "Mudguard".

since I don't fix cars I can only assume you're talking about clocky

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

 > Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is
the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car
ever made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly
because the car weighs less than 900kg.
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

There would probably be a few.
If you want to see what great handling is *really* like, then go take a
drive of a Kart. A proper Kart around a proper track. Not one you pay 5
bucks for a ride in at the local show that's powered by a pull start
lawn mower engine. *Then* you'll get to see what "great handling" is all

What, the *only* type of go-kart you have experience with is the
fairground type!

Post by Noddy
about, and learn how every car on the planet pales by comparison.

A proper go-kart has no suspension and, as such, that is one huge
complication that is avoided. The only suspension a true go-kart has is
in the *tyres* and in whatever flex has been allowed in the chassis. So
no comparison possible. Also, go-karts can only be used on well surfaced
*tracks*. Hitting a typical road pothole will see you and your go-kart
doing a poor imitation of an aircraft.

Post by Noddy
Trust me.

Not bloody likely, you're a proven liar and fraud. FFS, 20+ years of
claiming trade qualifications wherein no proof exists - even in the
government archives - and that's just the start of it. You compound that
lie many times over.

Post by Noddy
I spent three years competing in Karts after I retired from
drag racing, and while it's the most fun you'll ever have with your

See above. And, FWIW, you were never in drag racing unless it was at a
*drag Queen Gymkhana*.

Post by Noddy
clothes on it will totally destroy the enjoyment you think you'll get
from *any* car :)

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Front tyre pressure recommended for my Porsche is 29psi, you think

that you know better than Porsche engineers?

I suspect he did;

From the Porsche owners manual

Tire Pressure for Cold Tires

Summer Tires and Snow Tires

Front 29 psi (2.0 bar) overpressure
Rear 36 psi (2.5 bar) overpressure

Spare Wheel

Front and rear 60 psi (4.2 bar) overpressure

I'm assuming the spare referenced above is a *spacesaver spare* that can
be used front or rear. They tend to run much higher static pressures.

Post by Trevor Wilson
https://www.porscheontario.com/blog/how-do-you-check-the-tire-pressure-
on-a-classic-porsche-boxster-986/

They *recommend* the Porsche owner consult the owner's manual. As a
*general guide*, the *dealer* recommends classic Porsche Boxster 986
falls in the below range

Front tires 26-36 psi
Rear tires 32-42 psi

The above are what the dealer *suggests*. Note, no hard and fast
pressure - front or rear. The only thing that is evident in the specs is
that the F/R ratio remains the same with a 10 psi range per axle. What
will vary the F/R ratio is the vehicle lading.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Only driven one car that handles better than my Boxster and that is

the mates Lotus Elise which is no doubt the best handling road car ever
made, the Elise tyre pressures are much lower than 30psi mostly because
the car weighs less than 900kg.

Daryl appears not to have noticed that his *rear tyres* run at 36 psi
cold. That the front tyres run at 29 psi is not due to the car's overall
weight od ~900 kg, it's due to the *mass* over *each individual* front
wheel. Even though the Porsche Boxster is *mid engined*, it does have a
significant weight bias over the rear wheels hence the factory
recommended 36 psi in the rear tyres. Not a lot different to a Beetle,
it has to be said.

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Best handling? Maybe, maybe not. The Elise is certainly very good
indeed. A mate owns one and has taken me for a spin. Of what I would
call 'normal cars', I suspect that a Nissan GT-R would give an Elise a
good run for the money.

You have to drive a car in order to be able to assess the handling, you
cannot do it from the passenger seat. What's more, you have to push the
car to its *limits* - that's where you get the best idea of how a car
handles.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra

high performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and

handling.

Post by Daryl
I only buy Michelin, won't have any other brand.

**I've run Michelins and they were excellent, but I prefer Pirellis on
both my cars. I think the original tyres on the Subaru were a little
better, but the Pirellis are plenty good enough and are a little easier
on my arse. That said, I don't spend $1k per corner on tyres either. One
of my clients runs a GT3. He reckons the Kumhos are the duck's guts.
Mind you: They are $800.00 each tyre (wholesale).

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

With respect Trev, you think AWD makes a difference to "handling", which
tells me that you have no real appreciation of the distinction between
"handling" and "grip".

Post by Trevor Wilson
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back in
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher than
32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with tyre
pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I didn't
own a VW.

VW's were banned because they were one of the world's worst handling
cars that could be rolled over at carpark speeds, so banning them from
any kind of spirited driving adventure makes perfect sense. On the other
hand, having a blanket general rule about tyre pressures without knowing
anything in particular about the tyre in question or the car they're
fitted to makes no sense whatsoever.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Lol :) For a guy of your age who gives the impression of being a driving
enthusiast, your broad general knowledge is really poor :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Utter rubbish. It is *totally* dependent on the tyre. Period.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

And how would you go about defining a crap tyre, Trev? How much tyre
testing have you done?

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

With respect Trev, you think AWD makes a difference to "handling", which
tells me that you have no real appreciation of the distinction between
"handling" and "grip".

All your comment proves, Darren, is that you have no clue at all about
handling *or* grip. In fact you don’t even understand the concept of grip.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back in
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher than
32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with tyre
pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I didn't
own a VW.

VW's were banned because they were one of the world's worst handling
cars that could be rolled over at carpark speeds, so banning them from
any kind of spirited driving adventure makes perfect sense. On the other
hand, having a blanket general rule about tyre pressures without knowing
anything in particular about the tyre in question or the car they're
fitted to makes no sense whatsoever.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Lol :) For a guy of your age who gives the impression of being a driving
enthusiast, your broad general knowledge is really poor :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride etc
so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Utter rubbish. It is *totally* dependent on the tyre. Period.

Tyre pressure is *never* totally dependent on the tyre. One of the primary
dependencies is vehicle mass. Why do you think FWD vehicles generally have
a higher tyre pressure at the front than the rear? Then you can add in
lading and, after that, speed. FFS Darren, you have an extremely simplistic
view of the automotive world.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
IMHO the type of tyre, budget, touring, high performance, ultra high
performance etc etc is more important than pressure, doesn't matter
what pressure you put in a cheap tyre, they are always going to be crap.

**Well, yeah. I've never used crap tyres. I care about safety and handling.

And how would you go about defining a crap tyre, Trev? How much tyre
testing have you done?

What you have on your Ranger would be a crap tyre for handling.

____
Xeno

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Why do you think that higher tyre pressures are safer?

**I don't "think" higher tyre pressures are safer. I KNOW that they
ensure that my car will handle better in the wet and the dry.

With respect Trev, you think AWD makes a difference to "handling", which
tells me that you have no real appreciation of the distinction between
"handling" and "grip".

Post by Trevor Wilson
I recall, well, my first Peter Wherret Advanced Driving Course, back
* Are you driving a VW?
* Are you running less than 32psi of tyre pressure.
VWs were banned from taking part and tyre pressure was to be higher
than 32psi. Neither was a problem for me, as I had experimented with
tyre pressures and found that 34psi was perfect for my Escort and I
didn't own a VW.

VW's were banned because they were one of the world's worst handling
cars that could be rolled over at carpark speeds, so banning them from
any kind of spirited driving adventure makes perfect sense. On the other
hand, having a blanket general rule about tyre pressures without knowing
anything in particular about the tyre in question or the car they're
fitted to makes no sense whatsoever.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
In some cases that my be so, in others not, there are so many factors
that determine tyre pressures, load, speed, road conditions, driving
style, suspension design, type of tyre.

**Sure, if you're driving off-road, then low pressures may be
appropriate. For road use, nope.

Lol :) For a guy of your age who gives the impression of being a driving
enthusiast, your broad general knowledge is really poor :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
There is no one pressure fits all scenario, car manufacturers
recommended pressures are a compromise between grip, wear and ride
etc so it depends on what your particular preference is.

**Sure, but 31psi is too low for any modern car.

Utter rubbish. It is *totally* dependent on the tyre. Period.

A lot of tyres are now low profile which was rare back in the 70's, cars
and tyres have changed so what was true 50yrs ago isn't always still true.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All weighed
in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a car is
safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Define "decent"?

Generally the manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressures are a
good starting point, and for most people the need to vary from those
recommendations is non existent. A couple of pounds either way to change
comfort levels perhaps, but the difference a couple of pounds makes to
the performance on your average road going tyre is three fifths of five
eights of fuck all.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Define "decent"?

Any vehicle that isn't a Ford - or a Nissan Navara.

Post by Noddy
Generally the manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressures are a
good starting point, and for most people the need to vary from those
recommendations is non existent. A couple of pounds either way to change
comfort levels perhaps, but the difference a couple of pounds makes to
the performance on your average road going tyre is three fifths of five
eights of fuck all.

In today's cars, a couple of PSI can make a lot of difference to
*handling*. Since you have never studied automotive steering and
suspensions, you cannot be expected to understand that.

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Define "decent"?

Any vehicle that isn't a Ford - or a Nissan Navara.

Post by Noddy
Generally the manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressures are a
good starting point, and for most people the need to vary from those
recommendations is non existent. A couple of pounds either way to
change comfort levels perhaps, but the difference a couple of pounds
makes to the performance on your average road going tyre is three
fifths of five eights of fuck all.

In today's cars, a couple of PSI can make a lot of difference to
*handling*. Since you have never studied automotive steering and
suspensions, you cannot be expected to understand that.

Idle obseravtion: I can't recall Fraudster ever demonstrably
understanding *anything*.

[Sydnie]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Define "decent"?
Generally the manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressures are a
good starting point, and for most people the need to vary from those
recommendations is non existent. A couple of pounds either way to change
comfort levels perhaps, but the difference a couple of pounds makes to
the performance on your average road going tyre is three fifths of five
eights of fuck all.

That's odd. With all Fraudsters' vast claimed experience of working on,
*and* driving, Eurotics, you'd think that he'd mention their tyre
characteristics. I suppose he didn't because he's a lying fraud.

Oh btw Fraudster... Your topical, recent snake anecdote. I believe you.
Honest.


alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Sydnie

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

Define "decent"?
Generally the manufacturer's recommendations for tyre pressures are a
good starting point, and for most people the need to vary from those
recommendations is non existent. A couple of pounds either way to
change comfort levels perhaps, but the difference a couple of pounds
makes to the performance on your average road going tyre is three
fifths of five eights of fuck all.

That's odd. With all Fraudsters' vast claimed experience of working on,
*and* driving, Eurotics, you'd think that he'd mention their tyre
characteristics. I suppose he didn't because he's a lying fraud.
Oh btw Fraudster... Your topical, recent snake anecdote. I believe you.
Honest.

Indeed, running over a snake with a truck tends to break their backs
making sitting up and slithering away somewhat difficult.

Post by Sydnie
alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated
the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a
couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it
was not until today when I washed the car and decided to check
the tyre pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres
were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving
style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes
for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all relevant
considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type, etc., and I have
no good reason to second guess their recommendation. however, I if I
want to favor performance over comfort, I could up the pressure 2 or 3
psi, but no way will I run the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above
recommended.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated
the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a
couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it
was not until today when I washed the car and decided to check
the tyre pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres
were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving
style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes
for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all relevant
considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type, etc., and I have
no good reason to second guess their recommendation. however, I if I
want to favor performance over comfort, I could up the pressure 2 or 3
psi, but no way will I run the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above
recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

No argument here :)

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all
relevant considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type, etc.,
and I have no good reason to second guess their recommendation.
however, I if I want to favor performance over comfort, I could up
the pressure 2 or 3 psi, but no way will I run the tyres at 38 psi.
ie. 7 psi above recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all
relevant considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type, etc.,
and I have no good reason to second guess their recommendation.
however, I if I want to favor performance over comfort, I could up
the pressure 2 or 3 psi, but no way will I run the tyres at 38 psi.
ie. 7 psi above recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you. We discussed my experience with a
2023 MG HS a few months back.

Briefly:

In 2022, I hired a Suzuki Swift for a week and drove (mostly) from
Cairns to Kuranda every day. There were a few side trips with one trip
into the Daintree. The Suzuki Swift was an utter delight to drive. Night
or day. It was comfortable, handled brilliantly, VERY economical
(91RON), had decent headlights and switchgear was logically positioned
and familiarity came very quickly.

In August 2023, I hired an MG HS for 9 days and travelled the same roads
with one side trip to port Douglas. Here's what I found:

* Despite being 200kg lighter than my Subaru Levorg and around 80kW less
powerful, the MG used MORE fuel (95RON, as specified by MG)! The MG was
MUCH slower than my Levorg and about as quick as the Suzuki.
* The headlights were utterly and completely hopeless. So bad that I
still can't work out how it passed ADRs. Low beam was dull and high beam
was dull and had poor spread of light. My 1972 Ford Escort had better
headlights than the MG. By comparison, the Suzuki was quite respectable.
My Subaru is from a different universe. It has stunningly good LED
headlights.
* Dials and switchgear was downright annoying. Luckily I had a passenger
to operate some of the controls, as they could not be easily operated by
the driver alone. By comparison, my 7 year old Subaru, my 23 year old
Nissan and the Suzuki employ easily used controls and logically laid out
instruments (the MG employs instruments that are clearly designed for
looks, rather than function).

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you.

ROTFL :)

His memory has been totally fucked ever since he blew in here from
aus.mentalcase. Ask him three days from now about what's being discussed
*today* and he won't be able to tell you.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you.

ROTFL :)
His memory has been totally fucked ever since he blew in here from
aus.mentalcase. Ask him three days from now about what's being discussed
*today* and he won't be able to tell you.

Is that right mentalcase?

Like you forget the lies you've told and need to keep *reinforcing them
by retelling them often. Those apprenticeship lies for instance.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you.

ROTFL :)
His memory has been totally fucked ever since he blew in here from
aus.mentalcase. Ask him three days from now about what's being
discussed *today* and he won't be able to tell you.

Is that right mentalcase?
Like you forget the lies you've told and need to keep *reinforcing
them by retelling them often. Those apprenticeship lies for instance.

he's a great one to talk. this is the guy who doesn't know if he had
diabetes or not, lol

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you.

ROTFL :)
His memory has been totally fucked ever since he blew in here from
aus.mentalcase. Ask him three days from now about what's being discussed
*today* and he won't be able to tell you.

You don't remember having diabetes as stated by you three times so who
are you to talk?

[Xeno]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you.

ROTFL :)
His memory has been totally fucked ever since he blew in here from
aus.mentalcase. Ask him three days from now about what's being
discussed *today* and he won't be able to tell you.

You don't remember having diabetes as stated by you three times so who
are you to talk?

Bottom line, liars like him need a good memory - so he's even a failure
at that!

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they
had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as
I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage
over time. however, it was not until today when I washed the
car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered
by how much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre
pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why
would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low
as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed
much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall
correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all
relevant considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type,
etc., and I have no good reason to second guess their
recommendation. however, I if I want to favor performance over
comfort, I could up the pressure 2 or 3 psi, but no way will I run
the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a
SINGLE WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you. We discussed my experience with a
2023 MG HS a few months back.

yes, I forgot about that

Post by Trevor Wilson
In 2022, I hired a Suzuki Swift for a week and drove (mostly) from
Cairns to Kuranda every day. There were a few side trips with one trip
into the Daintree. The Suzuki Swift was an utter delight to drive.
Night or day. It was comfortable, handled brilliantly, VERY economical
(91RON), had decent headlights and switchgear was logically positioned
and familiarity came very quickly.
In August 2023, I hired an MG HS for 9 days and travelled the same
* Despite being 200kg lighter than my Subaru Levorg and around 80kW
less powerful, the MG used MORE fuel (95RON, as specified by MG)!

all the MG's sold here use 91 RON. must have been an old model or an import

Post by Trevor Wilson
The MG was MUCH slower than my Levorg and about as quick as the Suzuki.
* The headlights were utterly and completely hopeless. So bad that I
still can't work out how it passed ADRs. Low beam was dull and high
beam was dull and had poor spread of light. My 1972 Ford Escort had
better headlights than the MG. By comparison, the Suzuki was quite
respectable. My Subaru is from a different universe. It has stunningly
good LED headlights.
* Dials and switchgear was downright annoying. Luckily I had a
passenger to operate some of the controls, as they could not be easily
operated by the driver alone. By comparison, my 7 year old Subaru, my
23 year old Nissan and the Suzuki employ easily used controls and
logically laid out instruments (the MG employs instruments that are
clearly designed for looks, rather than function).

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they
had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as
I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage
over time. however, it was not until today when I washed the
car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered
by how much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre
pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why
would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low
as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed
much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall
correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all
relevant considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type,
etc., and I have no good reason to second guess their
recommendation. however, I if I want to favor performance over
comfort, I could up the pressure 2 or 3 psi, but no way will I run
the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a
SINGLE WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you. We discussed my experience with a
2023 MG HS a few months back.

yes, I forgot about that

Post by Trevor Wilson
In 2022, I hired a Suzuki Swift for a week and drove (mostly) from
Cairns to Kuranda every day. There were a few side trips with one trip
into the Daintree. The Suzuki Swift was an utter delight to drive.
Night or day. It was comfortable, handled brilliantly, VERY economical
(91RON), had decent headlights and switchgear was logically positioned
and familiarity came very quickly.
In August 2023, I hired an MG HS for 9 days and travelled the same
* Despite being 200kg lighter than my Subaru Levorg and around 80kW
less powerful, the MG used MORE fuel (95RON, as specified by MG)!

all the MG's sold here use 91 RON. must have been an old model or an import

**Wrong:

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2025-mg-hs-review/

I very much doubt that the car hire company I used would directly import
their own vehicles. The company is a reasonably large one (for Cairns).

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the
pressure on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they
had over inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as
I thought maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage
over time. however, it was not until today when I washed the
car and decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered
by how much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre
pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why
would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea.
31 PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some
cases it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of
people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but
then again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low
as 31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed
much higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall
correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for
a car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all
relevant considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type,
etc., and I have no good reason to second guess their
recommendation. however, I if I want to favor performance over
comfort, I could up the pressure 2 or 3 psi, but no way will I run
the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a
SINGLE WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

and exactly what experience do you have with MG's?

**Your memory must be failing you. We discussed my experience with a
2023 MG HS a few months back.

yes, I forgot about that

Post by Trevor Wilson
In 2022, I hired a Suzuki Swift for a week and drove (mostly) from
Cairns to Kuranda every day. There were a few side trips with one trip
into the Daintree. The Suzuki Swift was an utter delight to drive.
Night or day. It was comfortable, handled brilliantly, VERY economical
(91RON), had decent headlights and switchgear was logically positioned
and familiarity came very quickly.
In August 2023, I hired an MG HS for 9 days and travelled the same
* Despite being 200kg lighter than my Subaru Levorg and around 80kW
less powerful, the MG used MORE fuel (95RON, as specified by MG)!

all the MG's sold here use 91 RON. must have been an old model or an import

Probably one of the first release models.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson
The MG was MUCH slower than my Levorg and about as quick as the Suzuki.
* The headlights were utterly and completely hopeless. So bad that I
still can't work out how it passed ADRs. Low beam was dull and high
beam was dull and had poor spread of light. My 1972 Ford Escort had
better headlights than the MG. By comparison, the Suzuki was quite
respectable. My Subaru is from a different universe. It has stunningly
good LED headlights.
* Dials and switchgear was downright annoying. Luckily I had a
passenger to operate some of the controls, as they could not be easily
operated by the driver alone. By comparison, my 7 year old Subaru, my
23 year old Nissan and the Suzuki employ easily used controls and
logically laid out instruments (the MG employs instruments that are
clearly designed for looks, rather than function).

[Keithr0]

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Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the
tyre dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure
on all tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over
inflated the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought
maybe a couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time.
however, it was not until today when I washed the car and
decided to check the tyre pressures that I discovered by how
much they were over inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is
31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of
tyre, but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your
driving style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases
it makes for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't
enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

**None of my (three) Escorts ran tyre pressures below 34psi. All
weighed in at less than 1,000kg. Of course, my prime requisite for a
car is safety. Hence the use of decent tyre pressures.

the car maker sets the recommended tyre pressure based on all relevant
considerations, ie. road handling, comfort, tyre type, etc., and I
have no good reason to second guess their recommendation. however, I
if I want to favor performance over comfort, I could up the pressure 2
or 3 psi, but no way will I run the tyres at 38 psi. ie. 7 psi above
recommended.

**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

MG is just a marketing name, the manufacturer is SAIC Motors of China.
Enough said.

[Noddy]

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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Well, my experience with MG is such that I would not trust a SINGLE
WORD printed in the manual. MG is a manufacturer best avoided.

MG is just a marketing name, the manufacturer is SAIC Motors of China.
Enough said.

Indeed. Their stuff is rubbish. Felix would have been better off keeping
his new "ten year old" Lancer, but then he's the kind of bloke who's
easily attracted to shiny things.....

[Xeno]

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Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI
is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style,
but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation
is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much higher
tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require different
pressure, as stated above

Not quite. Every tyre has an ideal pressure that is related to the
rolling radius, the contact patch, tyre profile and the mass the tyre is
supporting. An underinflated tyre will flex the sidewalls more thus
generating more heat. At the same time the contact patch will distort
placing more pressure on the outside edges - hence the tread wear
pattern. Overinflated tyres will place more tension on the sidewalls so
less flex there and less heating. Overinflated tyres will have less
rolling resistance but also less grip if the contact patch is deformed -
less pressure on the side of the tread hence more wear in the centre of
the tread. The tyre pressures on the vehicle tyre placard relates to the
tyres fitted to the vehicle as standard. If no placard is fitted, then
the tyre pressures in the owner's manual are your *start* point. My
Toy's recommended tyre pressures are 35/35 but, because I rarely carry
anything at the rear, I use 36/32 which improves both ride and handling.
If I move to a different/wider profile tyre, then I will need to vary
those pressures. The alternative tyre size for my Toy specifies a
pressure of 32/32. That's a tad low at the front for my liking but,
though it is the same rolling radius, it is a lower profile tyre which
would explain the lower inflation pressure - even though the rolling
radius remains the same. Again, it really is a case of suck it and see -
find out what works best for you *starting from* the placarded tyre
pressures.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson
Ride was certainly not uncomfortable.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated
the tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a
couple of psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it
was not until today when I washed the car and decided to check
the tyre pressures that I discovered by how much they were over
inflated. the recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres
were set at 38 psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded.
260kPa, loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31
PSI is way too low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre,
but by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving
style, but it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes
for an unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then
again it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure
variation is going to turn it into a sports car.

**The only car I've ever owned where tyre pressures were as low as
31psi  was my FC Holden. Even my three Commodores employed much
higher tyre pressures than 31psi. Around 34psi, if I recall correctly.

they are bigger and heavier cars. and different tyres require
different pressure, as stated above

Not quite. Every tyre has an ideal pressure that is related to the
rolling radius, the contact patch, tyre profile and the mass the tyre
is supporting. An underinflated tyre will flex the sidewalls more thus
generating more heat. At the same time the contact patch will distort
placing more pressure on the outside edges - hence the tread wear
pattern. Overinflated tyres will place more tension on the sidewalls
so less flex there and less heating. Overinflated tyres will have less
rolling resistance but also less grip if the contact patch is deformed
- less pressure on the side of the tread hence more wear in the centre
of the tread.

yes, I know all that

Post by Xeno
The tyre pressures on the vehicle tyre placard relates to the tyres
fitted to the vehicle as standard.

yep

Post by Xeno
If no placard is fitted, then the tyre pressures in the owner's manual
are your *start* point. My Toy's recommended tyre pressures are 35/35
but, because I rarely carry anything at the rear, I use 36/32 which
improves both ride and handling. If I move to a different/wider
profile tyre, then I will need to vary those pressures. The
alternative tyre size for my Toy specifies a pressure of 32/32. That's
a tad low at the front for my liking but, though it is the same
rolling radius, it is a lower profile tyre which would explain the
lower inflation pressure - even though the rolling radius remains the
same. Again, it really is a case of suck it and see - find out what
works best for you *starting from* the placarded tyre pressures.

bottom line..there's a wide margin of tyre pressures across different
vehicles and tyres. Trevor is simply wrong by saying my ZS tyre pressure
is too low at 31 ps, just as he would be by saying any pressure is too
low or high for any vehicle if it's at the car makers recommendation.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the
recommended tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38
psi! why would they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

It might be an MG, but it sure as shit ain't no sports car.
Optimum tyre pressures are determined not only by the type of tyre, but
by the type of use. 38psi might suit you and your driving style, but
it's not everyone's cup of meat. In some cases it makes for an
unpleasant, rough ride that a lot of people don't enjoy.
31PSi isn't way too low at all for the type of vehicle, but then again
it's the kind of vehicle where no amount of pressure variation is going
to turn it into a sports car.

It's way closer to being a sports car than your Ranger can ever hope to
be. In fact, *your* Ranger is, at best, a *phallic extension*, a salve
to your inferiority complex.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the recommended
tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would
they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

Tyre shops almost always increase tyre pressures, one possible reason is
that a higher pressure in a new tyre helps to make sure that the bead is
seated properly, after a few 100km the pressures should be reset to the
factory recommendation.
Saying that low tyre pressures will make a car handle like a barge isn't
always correct, depending on ambient temps we set the tyre pressures on
the race cars to as low as 16-18psi cold, when hot it will increase to
20-22psi, the cars only weigh just over 500kg so weight is a factor when
setting tyre pressures.
If the race car tyres (Yokohama A048 or A050 R spec tyres) were set to
34psi it would be undriveable with very little grip.
My Boxter's front pressure is 29, the rear is 36 and its by far the best
handling car I've ever owned, my MB has 30 front, 33 rear, its not a
sports car, it handles okay but the ride is very smooth and quiet.

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Mighty Mouse
When I had the puncture recently, and had it repaired by the tyre
dealership, they balanced the wheel and reset the pressure on all
tyres. but as soon as I drove it, I knew they had over inflated the
tyres. I wasn't concerned about it, as I thought maybe a couple of
psi, to allow for air seepage over time. however, it was not until
today when I washed the car and decided to check the tyre pressures
that I discovered by how much they were over inflated. the recommended
tyre pressure is 31 psi, but all tyres were set at 38 psi! why would
they do that?

**Recommended pressure for my Suby is 240kPa, lightly loaded. 260kPa,
loaded. I run the same pressure in my Nissan Stagea. 31 PSI is way too
low. Your MG must handle like a barge.

Yeah, I'd think so too. That said, each person's handling preferences
are different. I tend to favour the handling side of the equation with
the steering doing what I expect it to do and in a timely manner. Other
people like the soft floaty *American style* ride whilst I hate that. A
lot (most?) of the Euros drive in the manner I expect. Japanese cars are
Ok, not perfect but definitely passable. If you're starting from a good
base, tyre pressures allow fine tuning.