Is 'bi-tron' a scam? 8-)

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
removed):

---- start ----

From bi-***@shaw.ca Thu Jun 1 07:00:44 2006
Return-Path: <bi-***@shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT)
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by l-daemon
From: Mark <bi-***@shaw.ca>
Subject: Not Sure If you are interested.
To: ***@lios.apana.org.au
Message-id: <"18161.238868.54084681 c900"@lios.apana.org.au>

I got your email address from a newsgroup I was visiting and thought with your interest
in vehicles, this may be something worth your time to look at, no you have not been
added to some huge mailing list,. Since you don't know me my name is Mark and, I
would like permission to send you a short email about a product that has increased
my fuel economy by 20%. If you are not interested, just don't respond to this email and
since I have not saved your email address, you will not hear from me again.

Hope you are having a great day;

Mark T.

---- stop ----

Note that there is no indication of a website, but by simple deducation I
tried "http://www.bi-tron.ca" and got some really strange flash-based
website which looks like the makings of a multi-level marketting scheme for
automotive fluid products. It's really 'blingy' but the site gives you
almost nothing about the products from a technical perspective and in fact
most of the site seems to be designed to make you feel 'funky' and want to
market their stuff. 8-) I don't. lol

I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the website,
but does anyone know more about this? The fact that the email I received was
unsolicited and gave no real information about what is being pushed makes it
look like a scam. Even more so if it's really connected with the website
I've mentioned.

Craig.

[Tony Smith]

Craig's Saab C900 Site wrote:

.

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the
website, but does anyone know more about this? The fact that the
email I received was unsolicited and gave no real information about
what is being pushed makes it look like a scam. Even more so if it's
really connected with the website I've mentioned.
Craig.

Those of us with decent spam filters never see this crap.

The mongrel behind the spam/scam should probably cut you in on the deal
for kindly reposting his nonsense so that people who otherwise would
never have been "reached" by his mailout got to see it.

Craig, you seem like a nice chap, please engage brain before putting
keyboard into gear.

[atec77]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header

Considering the xpost... well I wish you hadn't , bi-tron is quite
big ( I even used the fuel additive) here in Au , I have had some
success with the fuel booster but tis not any better than flash lube
for leaded cars and costs more.... th rest of the stuff is like most
anything else on the market but has become the Amway of automotive
supplies.

[Spear and Magic Helmet]

Craig's Saab C900 Site wrote:

<snip spam>

So you took the spam that was sent to you and spammed multiple groups
with it. I'm surprised you didn't buy 5ml of it, put it on eBay and
then spammed the groups with it.

It must be terrible to be as hopeless as you.

[Dan---]

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet
<snip spam>
So you took the spam that was sent to you and spammed multiple groups
with it. I'm surprised you didn't buy 5ml of it, put it on eBay and
then spammed the groups with it.
It must be terrible to be as hopeless as you.

I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

[Spear and Magic Helmet]

Post by Dan---
I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

I use Google Groups, so I don't have the luxury of a killfile, thus,
every now and then, I get tempted and reply :(

[Kev]

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet

Post by Dan---
I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

I use Google Groups, so I don't have the luxury of a killfile, thus,
every now and then, I get tempted and reply :(

wonder if he sold the 450mm length of rubber hose he had on ebay
I could imagine the bidding frenzy on that one


Kev

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Kev

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet

Post by Dan---
I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

I use Google Groups, so I don't have the luxury of a killfile, thus,
every now and then, I get tempted and reply :(

wonder if he sold the 450mm length of rubber hose he had on ebay
I could imagine the bidding frenzy on that one

I do have a name you know. Assuming the 'he' you're referring to is me. 8-)
You can't talk about me directly - I don't mind. really.

What's your problem with the piece of new 3-ply silicone hose I have got for
sale anyway? Should I throw it in the rubbish bin rather than offer it up in
case other people might be able to use it so it's recycled and re-used
rather than dumped at the tip?

Craig.

[t***@visto.com]

Bitron does nothing.

I got a few sample bottles so put them in a variety of cars from turbos
to ordinary sixes.

I went in skeptical and was not unsurprised with the result.

They do no harm but they are placebo at best.

[Kev]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Kev

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet

Post by Dan---
I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

I use Google Groups, so I don't have the luxury of a killfile, thus,
every now and then, I get tempted and reply :(

wonder if he sold the 450mm length of rubber hose he had on ebay
I could imagine the bidding frenzy on that one

I do have a name you know. Assuming the 'he' you're referring to is me. 8-)
You can't talk about me directly - I don't mind. really.

well I was talking about you not too you

all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

now you want everyone to take you seriously when you ask a question
about an email that everyone else spotted right away as spam

here's a tip
if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck
it's not a bloody rooster


Kev

[Scotty]

Post by Kev
here's a tip
if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck

And its parked outside a donut shop,

Its a ____________________?

[Kev]

Post by Scotty

Post by Kev
here's a tip
if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck

And its parked outside a donut shop,
Its a ____________________?

probably me


Kev

[Scotty]

Post by Kev

Post by Scotty

Post by Kev
here's a tip
if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck

And its parked outside a donut shop,
Its a ____________________?

probably me
Kev

:o)

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Kev
all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

Well if you don't like them painted red you can always get plain ones and
I'll sell them to you at the same price without the paint. 8-) Hmm, clamps
and bits of hose. You're pretty naive if that's all you see.

Post by Kev
now you want everyone to take you seriously when you ask a question
about an email that everyone else spotted right away as spam

Well I suspected it too, but decided to ask a wider group of people. Is
there a problem with that?

Craig.

[Scotty]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Kev
all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

Well if you don't like them painted red you can always get plain ones and
I'll sell them to you at the same price without the paint. 8-) Hmm, clamps
and bits of hose. You're pretty naive if that's all you see.

Post by Kev
now you want everyone to take you seriously when you ask a question
about an email that everyone else spotted right away as spam

Well I suspected it too, but decided to ask a wider group of people. Is
there a problem with that?
Craig.
--
Craig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au
http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's

The problem Craig, is that we hate advertisments in our life, especially in
NG's where they dont belong.

Your clamp and hose show is just that, unwanted advertising.

[Scott Dorsey]

I have a new product, Substance X, which will double your gas mileage. All
you have to do is mix it 50:50 with gasoline and you will find your gasoline
will go twice as far. I'll sell you this fine product for only four dollars
a gallon....
--scott

[David]

Post by Scott Dorsey
I have a new product, Substance X, which will double your gas mileage. All
you have to do is mix it 50:50 with gasoline and you will find your gasoline
will go twice as far. I'll sell you this fine product for only four dollars
a gallon....
--scott

Yep. I'll do that too. ... Note: Main ingredient in my product is
Gasoline®.

[Kev]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Kev
all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

Well if you don't like them painted red you can always get plain ones and
I'll sell them to you at the same price without the paint. 8-) Hmm, clamps
and bits of hose. You're pretty naive if that's all you see.

Hands up anyone who has seen him spam us with anything else than the
rubber hoses and hose clamps he puts on Ebay


Kev

[Scotty]

Post by Kev

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Kev
all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

Well if you don't like them painted red you can always get plain ones and
I'll sell them to you at the same price without the paint. 8-) Hmm, clamps
and bits of hose. You're pretty naive if that's all you see.

Hands up anyone who has seen him spam us with anything else than the
rubber hoses and hose clamps he puts on Ebay
Kev

More to the point Kev, who the hell cares. I hate advertising the way he
does it. If ya have a vehicle for sale fair call, the people here may be
interested as they are into the same vehicles, only if its advertised once
that is. Constant bullshit like the hose and clamp man here is a shear PITA.

[Andy]

Post by Scotty

Post by Kev

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Kev
all we've seen for ages from you is crossposting spam about your bloody
hose clamps and bits of rubber hose on Ebay

Well if you don't like them painted red you can always get plain ones and
I'll sell them to you at the same price without the paint. 8-) Hmm, clamps
and bits of hose. You're pretty naive if that's all you see.

Hands up anyone who has seen him spam us with anything else than the
rubber hoses and hose clamps he puts on Ebay
Kev

More to the point Kev, who the hell cares. I hate advertising the way he
does it. If ya have a vehicle for sale fair call, the people here may be
interested as they are into the same vehicles, only if its advertised once
that is. Constant bullshit like the hose and clamp man here is a shear PITA.

Ya hit the nail on the head, Scotty.

As an aside, I have some used heater hoses up for grabs. Both sections
are about a metre long. First offer over $75 gets 'em both. Genuine
used old stock clamps are extra, by request.

Cheers,

Andy. (The other Andy.)

[Figjam (AKA Biggus Dickus)]

I'll seeya sections of used hose and i'll raise ya
a sneak peek snapshot of kevys no shirt day out in the bush.
;)

Post by Andy
Ya hit the nail on the head, Scotty.
As an aside, I have some used heater hoses up for grabs. Both sections
are about a metre long. First offer over $75 gets 'em both. Genuine used
old stock clamps are extra, by request.
Cheers,
Andy. (The other Andy.)

[Don Stauffer]

Saw an ad for a turbo device on TV the other night. You know the thing,
the old "windmill" that sits between carburetor and manifold. When I
worked in a gas station fifty years ago they were selling the same thing
(not the station- ads in magazines). People would ask me if they
worked. I am sure they work no better today than fifty years ago :-)

[Bernd Felsche]

Post by Don Stauffer
Saw an ad for a turbo device on TV the other night. You know the thing,
the old "windmill" that sits between carburetor and manifold. When I
worked in a gas station fifty years ago they were selling the same thing
(not the station- ads in magazines). People would ask me if they
worked. I am sure they work no better today than fifty years ago :-)

They work *much* better. There's a sucker born every second.

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Dan---

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet
<snip spam>
So you took the spam that was sent to you and spammed multiple groups
with it. I'm surprised you didn't buy 5ml of it, put it on eBay and
then spammed the groups with it.
It must be terrible to be as hopeless as you.

I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

More fool you then for thinking that I shouldn't post here to ask a genuine
question. I've never heard of the bi-tron thing before so is there a problem
with me doing a little research, then coming here to ask people who would
have more knowledge of such things?

Perhaps because I prefer cars other than wanky Ford's and Holden's you think
I'm not worthy of participating in this newsgroup? It is open to *all*
automotive-related discussion, is it not?

Craig.

[David]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:11:43 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Dan---

Post by Spear and Magic Helmet
<snip spam>
So you took the spam that was sent to you and spammed multiple groups
with it. I'm surprised you didn't buy 5ml of it, put it on eBay and
then spammed the groups with it.
It must be terrible to be as hopeless as you.

I've plonked the git for wasting my bandwidth :-)

More fool you then for thinking that I shouldn't post here to ask a genuine
question. I've never heard of the bi-tron thing before so is there a problem
with me doing a little research, then coming here to ask people who would
have more knowledge of such things?
Perhaps because I prefer cars other than wanky Ford's and Holden's you think
I'm not worthy of participating in this newsgroup? It is open to *all*
automotive-related discussion, is it not?
Craig.

Why aus.general? Do you think that group has to do with GMH?

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Your stupidity is well documented Craig.

You redneckness is clearly being well-documented as well. Thanks to Dr
Googlestein and friends.

You've been asked before.
Don't cross post shit that has nothing to do with 4wds.

Since when has it got nothing to do with 4wd's? Plenty of them run on petrol
engines and the stuff is directed at diesel engines just as much as petrol
ones so asking about bi-tron is perfectly acceptable here too.

Craig.

[Scotty]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Your stupidity is well documented Craig.

You redneckness is clearly being well-documented as well. Thanks to Dr
Googlestein and friends.

You've been asked before.
Don't cross post shit that has nothing to do with 4wds.

Since when has it got nothing to do with 4wd's? Plenty of them run on petrol
engines and the stuff is directed at diesel engines just as much as petrol
ones so asking about bi-tron is perfectly acceptable here too.

Its relevance doesnt stop you from being an anoying arsehole though, stick
ya spamming posts where the sun dont shine would ya nad make all a bit
happier.

[John_H]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'.

<cross post deleted>

If you're interested in their snake oil you really should support your
local network marketing system. There's thousands of 'em out hoping
to get rich quick, with hardly a week gone by when one doesn't beat a
path to my door (in spite of my telling every last one to piss off and
never come back).... http://www.bitron-liquidgold.com/

Anything that claims to increase your fuel mileage by 20% is a scam!
Bi-tron also has a reputation of being somewhat worse for your engine
than most (due to its high chlorine content IIRC).

The best snake oils are the ones that do absolutely nothing! :)

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by John_H

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'.

<cross post deleted>
If you're interested in their snake oil you really should support your
local network marketing system.

I have no intention of it - I'm just curious because I was emailed out of
the blue and since I've never heard of bi-tron before I was genuinely
curious to find out more, and figured this newsgroup, being aus.cars
therefore the right place to talk about automotive issues, would be
appropriate to ask a legitimate question, but it seems most of the responses
are flames directed at me. I can quite happily take that, but the group
isn't helped by people who have a blinkered view of what can and can't be
discussed here (as some others have demonstrated).

Craig.

[John_H]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by John_H
If you're interested in their snake oil you really should support your
local network marketing system.

I have no intention of it - I'm just curious because I was emailed out of
the blue and since I've never heard of bi-tron before I was genuinely
curious to find out more, and figured this newsgroup, being aus.cars
therefore the right place to talk about automotive issues, would be
appropriate to ask a legitimate question, but it seems most of the responses
are flames directed at me. I can quite happily take that, but the group
isn't helped by people who have a blinkered view of what can and can't be
discussed here (as some others have demonstrated).

<cross post deleted -- again>

You could try a google groups search. Bitron has featured here
(aus.cars) since early1999 at least.

Some might say it's been done to death. :)

[Don]

On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:25:23 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. ...................................

SNIP

Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Don
On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:25:23 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. ...................................

SNIP
Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?

Why not? There's every chance it could be legit, and since I'd never heard
of it before, decided to ask a larger group of people who probably would
know about it. Sure the unsolicited email was a warning sign, but as the
email indicated nothing about a connection to an actual product (except for
the email domain), it's fair that I should ask what it's about.

Even the bi-tron website doesn't really say much about the products
themselves, or give any indication of a connection with the person who
emailed me. All things that show it's not 100 percent on the level... But
without anything else to go on, I decided to ask people who could help out.
I guess most people here don't want to help out, and instead just want to
give self-gratifying 'you are an idiot' answers.

Craig.

[Andy]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Don
On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:25:23 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. ...................................

SNIP
Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?

Why not? There's every chance it could be legit, and since I'd never heard
of it before, decided to ask a larger group of people who probably would
know about it. Sure the unsolicited email was a warning sign, but as the
email indicated nothing about a connection to an actual product (except for
the email domain), it's fair that I should ask what it's about.
Even the bi-tron website doesn't really say much about the products
themselves, or give any indication of a connection with the person who
emailed me. All things that show it's not 100 percent on the level... But
without anything else to go on, I decided to ask people who could help out.
I guess most people here don't want to help out, and instead just want to
give self-gratifying 'you are an idiot' answers.

You are an idiot.

HTH.

A.

[ShazWozza]

Post by Andy
You are an idiot.
HTH.
A.

A comparison of Craig's postings and yours indicates quite the opposite in
my opinion.

HTH

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Andy
You are an idiot.

GFYS.

[Craig Welch]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Andy
You are an idiot.

GFYS.

'Yourself' is one word, so 'GFY' would suffice.

[Perusal]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Don
On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:25:23 +0000 (UTC), Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. ...................................

SNIP
Why would you even have to ask if this is a scam?

Why not? There's every chance it could be legit, and since I'd never heard
of it before, decided to ask a larger group of people who probably would
know about it. Sure the unsolicited email was a warning sign, but as the
email indicated nothing about a connection to an actual product (except for
the email domain), it's fair that I should ask what it's about.
Even the bi-tron website doesn't really say much about the products
themselves, or give any indication of a connection with the person who
emailed me. All things that show it's not 100 percent on the level... But
without anything else to go on, I decided to ask people who could help out.
I guess most people here don't want to help out, and instead just want to
give self-gratifying 'you are an idiot' answers.
Craig.
--
Craig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au
http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's

Craig, it sounds like a scam/snake oil.

Perusal

[=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?=]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bite-me'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header

(snip)

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
Craig.

Surely you are joking?

[The Red Krawler]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I can't find any direct link between the email I received and the website,
but does anyone know more about this?

Typical snake oil... Lots of demonstrations showing how "good" it is at
preventing friction, but none of them take into account combustion and
engine temps, not to mention its long term affect on metal parts and the oil
itself.

[Mike]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header

<snipped your posting the spam>

Bitron has been tried here in Perth by a friend of mine in country,
although he swears by it, I think he is somewhat influenced by the
placebo effect and changes his driving style accordingly... ;-)
Esp since he used to sell it on the network marketing route but, then
he gone 'done' by the importers and missed a huge amount of commission
and was given all sorts of excuses about "... the russian inventor not
getting paid..." so the plug was pulled and the Qld guys who were
selling it decided not to pass on money they had already received from
distributors, yet another reason to avoid *any* network marketing
campaign.

Also I am pholisophically against that type of business as it makes
people look at friends of long standing as income prospects, and makes
people far more manipulative, even had one guy try to sign up a friends
12 month baby <guh> What utter crap !

But back to the chemical.
However I have seen a small, maybe 5% improvement in another friends vehicle
and he is an enthusiast who has an rpm totaliser on his engine, so he
can see how many engine revolutions it takes to get from a to b and
this includes a histogram of throttle positions, so he has a great
starting point for doing a fairly good series of experiments. But like
I said he only got 5% and it wasnt worth the cost, plus I seem to recall
that the next time he tried it he got no noticeable improvement, maybe
because its like a one time cleaner, so if you get it cheap maybe try
a little - but *not* for long...

Besides as far as I know, Bitron has some chlorinated phenols, so long
term use *is* going to result in chlorine being released as chlorine
is never held as tightly in any bonds as flourine it is going to upset
the oils capacity for leeping Ph near neutral, that means hydrochloric
acid is going to form. In fact <cough> it might
form hydrogen sulphide/chlorine complexes with mineral oils, another
reason why I use synthetic, no Bitron, but a small amount of Nulon every
now and then :)

btw: Am currently running a test of my last snythetic change to see
how long it takes for the oil to discolour and have found a lab which
can measure the carbon particulates of 1L of oil but have to wait
a while, this will be a fairly good test of how differentially synthetic
will or will not build up carbonisation particles in the oil etc...

<chuckle>

[John S.]

Unfortunately the miracle-in-a-bottle solutions for improving gas
milage come forth every time there is a runup in gas prices. The
author of the email that you copied was late to the starting line
because his competition has been flooding this and many other net
groups with such stuff for the past 2 months.

There have been very few resounding break-throughs in improved engine
performance, but many small improvements. Two significant ones that
come to mind were fuel injection and IC controlled engine management
systems, but those were introduced then improved over decades.

At best what you have is a scheme to separate you from your money for
some mystery brew that will hopefully do no damage to the critical
seals in a fuel system. It sounds like this scheme may also have the
added allure of making money from a pyramid.

[Mike Romain]

So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.

What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
done to death.

Mike

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header

<SPAM SNIPPED>

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Mike Romain
So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
done to death.

GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.

[Mike Romain]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Mike Romain
So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
done to death.

GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.

You could easily have asked the question without the SPAM.

You chose to SPAM this product under the fake excuse of asking a
'question' which is total bull shit. As mentioned, it's been done to
death.

You are just another spamming jerk on usenet.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Mike Romain

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site

Post by Mike Romain
So it would seem you are working for the scum sucker already by Spamming
the hell out of usenet with 'his' (ha ha) advertisement.
What a pathetic idiot looser you are. Your SPAM excuse has already been
done to death.

GFYS if you can't handle a legit question being asked about something.

You could easily have asked the question without the SPAM.
You chose to SPAM this product under the fake excuse of asking a
'question' which is total bull shit.

Not when I didn't know anything about it and had never heard of it before.
If you think that's illegitimate, that's your choice.

Post by Mike Romain
As mentioned, it's been done to death.

Well it probably has, but I'd never heard of it before and in the time I've
actually owned cars, I'd never come across it in any of the Australian
newsgroups.

Post by Mike Romain
You are just another spamming jerk on usenet.

That's your choice. Grow up and accept that some people actually like to ask
genuine questions of a wide audience from time to time, hoping to get some
genuine responses instead of the type of response that you posted.

Craig.

[Keep YerSpam]

Craig's Saab C900 Site wrote:

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Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
Craig.

Well from a professional web designer's viewpoint:
Anyone who claims to be the source of a revolutionary new auto-related
product who:
1. buys a cheap "X-box fan oriented" Flash template and
2. doesn't even take the time to replace the goofy little robot pictures
designed to appeal to teenage boys in their "Products" section of the
website with pictures of - oh, I don't know - maybe their PRODUCTS ...

... is not to be taken seriously.

Another thing to consider, this is supposed to be a product to enhance
performance & reliability of a motor vehicle. The Flash intro (which is
waaaaayy too long) shows some stupid walking bipod robot growling at you
and stomping up to the front of the stage/screen. They must expect their
taget audience are mostly 12 year old boys who spend 4 hours or more a
day in front of video games listening to heavy metal. Beevis & Butthead
come to mind, not an independant distributor of automotive products.

Anybody notice all the little bolts, gears & miscellaneous small parts
laying around & bouncing about while the robot walks?
Did those parts fall off or out of the robot? They look like it.
Does this inspire confidence in the product's ability to do 1% of what
it's supposed to do?

Looks like a moronic website designed to attract little kids.
Are they owned by "Dumb & Dumber, Inc". LOL

Cheers,
- JJ

[Craig's Saab C900 Site]

Post by Keep YerSpam
Another thing to consider, this is supposed to be a product to enhance
performance & reliability of a motor vehicle. The Flash intro (which is
waaaaayy too long) shows some stupid walking bipod robot growling at you
and stomping up to the front of the stage/screen. They must expect their
taget audience are mostly 12 year old boys who spend 4 hours or more a
day in front of video games listening to heavy metal. Beevis & Butthead
come to mind, not an independant distributor of automotive products.

He he well yeah I thought the flash intro was something you'd design as an
offshoot from something like Doom or any of that genre of PC game. 8-) Flash
(in more ways that one) and basically crap. 8-)

Post by Keep YerSpam
Anybody notice all the little bolts, gears & miscellaneous small parts
laying around & bouncing about while the robot walks?
Did those parts fall off or out of the robot? They look like it.
Does this inspire confidence in the product's ability to do 1% of what
it's supposed to do?

Perhaps Citroen lent them an early-production C4 to play with? 8-) That's a
car that likes to make out it's got a life of it's own.. lol But I'd much
prefer a C4 over any crud built by GM (including some of the GM-influenced
Saab's such as the Ford Festiva lookalike called the NG900's).

Post by Keep YerSpam
Looks like a moronic website designed to attract little kids.
Are they owned by "Dumb & Dumber, Inc". LOL

Something you'd work on at 2 am when wired on plenty of jolt cola.

Craig.

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
I've recieved an unsolicited email from some guy called Mark in Canada who
is trying to get me to accept a plug on a something which I am assuming is
called 'bi-tron'. The email is below (all the irrelevant bits of header
---- start ----
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT)
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by l-daemon
Subject: Not Sure If you are interested.
I got your email address from a newsgroup I was visiting and thought with your interest
in vehicles, this may be something worth your time to look at, no you have not been
added to some huge mailing list,. Since you don't know me my name is Mark and, I
would like permission to send you a short email about a product that has increased
my fuel economy by 20%. If you are not interested, just don't respond to this email and
since I have not saved your email address, you will not hear from me again.

Don't believe him. You WILL hear from him again!

Post by Craig's Saab C900 Site
Hope you are having a great day;

That's probably a lie as well.