Kia ute

[Noddy]

After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)


I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)

I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

If one of those was parked in my garage I'd need to carry a bucket to
throw up in every time I opened the door.
Utes generally aren't known for being good looking but fuck that thing
is hideous.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

If one of those was parked in my garage I'd need to carry a bucket to
throw up in every time I opened the door.
Utes generally aren't known for being good looking but fuck that thing
is hideous.

Isn't it absolutely ridiculous? I guess they wanted to make a statement,
but Jesus....

[lindsay]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year. had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont do
cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was sugessted
Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia
has premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same
2.2 litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8
speed auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I like it

[Daryl]

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed
auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego.

That's a good description, maybe it looks good to pre school kids:-)

My Ranger is 4yo in Feb

Post by lindsay
next year.

Time flys when you are having fun:-)

  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont do

Post by lindsay
cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was sugessted
Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

My boys both swear by BF Goodrich all terrains on their 4WD's.

[lindsay]

Post by Daryl

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia
has premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same
2.2 litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8
speed auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego.

That's a good description, maybe it looks good to pre school kids:-)

Minecraft is more apt. :-D

Post by Daryl
 My Ranger is 4yo in Feb

Post by lindsay
next year.

Time flys when you are having fun:-)

Yep. Been flawless. One more service to go at Ford (Free!), and they can
go and get fucked.

Post by Daryl
  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont do

Post by lindsay
cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

My boys both swear by BF Goodrich all terrains on their 4WD's.

I put a set of KO2's on my Navara, and they were certainly a better tyre
than the grand trek A/Ts that were factory fitted. Lasted much better
too. the factory fitted tyres on the Navara lasted 30k and my Ranga has
done 35K and will need tyres in 6 months....

[Noddy]

Post by lindsay

Post by Daryl
Time flys when you are having fun:-)

Yep. Been flawless. One more service to go at Ford (Free!), and they can
go and get fucked.

Lol :)

[Lindsay]

Post by lindsay

Post by Daryl

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

My boys both swear by BF Goodrich all terrains on their 4WD's.

I put a set of KO2's on my Navara, and they were certainly a better tyre
than the grand trek A/Ts that were factory fitted. Lasted much better
too. the factory fitted tyres on the Navara lasted 30k and my Ranga has
done 35K and will need tyres in 6 months....

Seems they couldn't wait. Got another puncture after i was mildly forced
off the road by a timber jinker.. Must have ran over something sharp,
and the dash started moaning that air pressure was down in left rear.
Went from 30psi to 1psi in 15 seconds. Rather than get it repaired like
the other rear that had half a tree through the sidewall 4 months ago, I
bit the bullet and spoke to the nearest tyre dealer, in Maffra. Ended up
with Yokohama Geolander A/T GO16. Bit aggressive tread, but gee, a much
better ride, and much quieter. (lower air pressure?) Dealer had one set
of KO3's, which took him 10 days to get from QLD! must be popular... I
asked about wear, ahd he suggested 50k should not be an issue. I also
rang a mate who had them oh his Hilux, and he swore by them. At $410
each, they better last at least 5 years/50K. May see me out! :-D

[Daryl]

Post by Lindsay

Post by lindsay

Post by Daryl

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

My boys both swear by BF Goodrich all terrains on their 4WD's.

I put a set of KO2's on my Navara, and they were certainly a better
tyre than the grand trek A/Ts that were factory fitted. Lasted much
better too. the factory fitted tyres on the Navara lasted 30k and my
Ranga has done 35K and will need tyres in 6 months....

Seems they couldn't wait. Got another puncture after i was mildly forced
off the road by a timber jinker.. Must have ran over something sharp,
and the dash started moaning that air pressure was down in left rear.
Went from 30psi to 1psi in 15 seconds. Rather than get it repaired like
the other rear that had half a tree through the sidewall 4 months ago, I
bit the bullet and spoke to the nearest tyre dealer, in Maffra. Ended up
with Yokohama Geolander A/T GO16. Bit aggressive tread, but gee, a much
better ride, and much quieter. (lower air pressure?) Dealer had one set
of KO3's, which took him 10 days to get from QLD! must be popular... I
asked about wear, ahd he suggested 50k should not be an issue. I also
rang a mate who had them oh his Hilux, and he swore by them. At $410
each, they better last at least 5 years/50K.  May see me out! :-D

Glad I don't own a 4WD with tyres costing that much:-)
The new Michelin's I put on my old Benz cost $908 for 4 including old
tyre disposable fees and fitting etc.

[Noddy]

Post by Lindsay

Post by lindsay

Post by Daryl

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

My boys both swear by BF Goodrich all terrains on their 4WD's.

I put a set of KO2's on my Navara, and they were certainly a better
tyre than the grand trek A/Ts that were factory fitted. Lasted much
better too. the factory fitted tyres on the Navara lasted 30k and my
Ranga has done 35K and will need tyres in 6 months....

Seems they couldn't wait. Got another puncture after i was mildly forced
off the road by a timber jinker.. Must have ran over something sharp,
and the dash started moaning that air pressure was down in left rear.
Went from 30psi to 1psi in 15 seconds. Rather than get it repaired like
the other rear that had half a tree through the sidewall 4 months ago, I
bit the bullet and spoke to the nearest tyre dealer, in Maffra. Ended up
with Yokohama Geolander A/T GO16. Bit aggressive tread, but gee, a much
better ride, and much quieter. (lower air pressure?) Dealer had one set
of KO3's, which took him 10 days to get from QLD! must be popular... I
asked about wear, ahd he suggested 50k should not be an issue. I also
rang a mate who had them oh his Hilux, and he swore by them. At $410
each, they better last at least 5 years/50K.  May see me out! :-D

Lol :)

[Noddy]

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont do
cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was sugessted
Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and they
were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as they all
come from China and half the time if you ground off the markings most
people couldn't tell one from another ;)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and they
were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as they all
come from China and half the time if you ground off the markings most
people couldn't tell one from another ;)

There is a huge difference especially in wet braking distance between
cheap and quality tyres.
Might not be much difference in light truck/ute tyres but Chinese
"performance" tyres are garbage.
A recent test I saw on YouTube "tyre review" channel showed a wet
stopping distance difference of about 10mts between good brand name
tyres and cheap Chinese junk, 10mts is the difference between life and
death.
In my experience cheap tyres aren't necessarily cheap, good tyres often
last longer than cheap tyres so the cost per km is less with brand name
tyres.
The Michelins on the rear of my Porsche are made in Spain, the front
Michelin are made in Indonesia as are the Bridgestones on the Golf.
I wouldn't have Chinese made tyres if you gave me them for free, IMHO
they are dangerous and should be banned.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

There is a huge difference especially in wet braking distance between
cheap and quality tyres.
Might not be much difference in light truck/ute tyres but Chinese
"performance" tyres are garbage.

I was talking about ute tyres, and "all terrains" specificially, but
generally I don't believe the price of a tyre is a reliable indicator of
quality.

Post by Daryl
A recent test I saw on YouTube "tyre review" channel showed a wet
stopping distance difference of about 10mts between good brand name
tyres and cheap Chinese junk, 10mts is the difference between life and
death.
In my experience cheap tyres aren't necessarily cheap, good tyres often
last longer than cheap tyres so the cost per km is less with brand name
tyres.
The Michelins on the rear of my Porsche are made in Spain, the front
Michelin are made in Indonesia as are the Bridgestones on the Golf.
I wouldn't have Chinese made tyres if you gave me them for free, IMHO
they are dangerous and should be banned.

*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

There is a huge difference especially in wet braking distance between
cheap and quality tyres.
Might not be much difference in light truck/ute tyres but Chinese
"performance" tyres are garbage.

I was talking about ute tyres, and "all terrains" specificially, but
generally I don't believe the price of a tyre is a reliable indicator of
quality.

Post by Daryl
A recent test I saw on YouTube "tyre review" channel showed a wet
stopping distance difference of about 10mts between good brand name
tyres and cheap Chinese junk, 10mts is the difference between life and
death.
In my experience cheap tyres aren't necessarily cheap, good tyres
often last longer than cheap tyres so the cost per km is less with
brand name tyres.
The Michelins on the rear of my Porsche are made in Spain, the front
Michelin are made in Indonesia as are the Bridgestones on the Golf.
I wouldn't have Chinese made tyres if you gave me them for free, IMHO
they are dangerous and should be banned.

*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

No doubt there are some Chinese made/brand tyres that are Ok, trouble is
how does anyone know what is a good brand and what is garbage?
My Merc was fitted with an unknown Chinese brand tyres when I bought it
and they were terrible in the wet, at least I know my ABS works, with
the Michelins lock ups don't happen.
Daughter in law recently bought a 2011 MB C350 Coupe, dealer fitted it
with cheap Chinese tyres and they were rubbish, replaced with Michelin
front Kuhmo rears (Michelin rears were $680 each) and it transformed the
car, even she could feel the difference.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

No doubt there are some Chinese made/brand tyres that are Ok, trouble is
how does anyone know what is a good brand and what is garbage?

You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established brands
that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

Brand name buying used to mean something years ago, but not today. Last
set of tyres I had on my Navara were Michelin highway treads, and they
were shithouse.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

No doubt there are some Chinese made/brand tyres that are Ok, trouble
is how does anyone know what is a good brand and what is garbage?

You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established brands
that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

Post by Noddy
Brand name buying used to mean something years ago, but not today. Last
set of tyres I had on my Navara were Michelin highway treads, and they
were shithouse.

Very surprised by that but it would be unusual for a manufacturer to not
occasionally make something that wasn't up to their usual standard.
I have never driven a car that had Chinese made tyres fitted that I
hadn't hated, the ones that came on my Benz has done less than 2000km
when I got rid of them, I wouldn't put that shit on my worst enemies
trailer.
I don't what the Australian standard is for tyre testing but IMHO its
set way too low especially wet braking distances, the difference between
known brand tyres and cheap Chinese is staggering.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

No doubt there are some Chinese made/brand tyres that are Ok, trouble
is how does anyone know what is a good brand and what is garbage?

You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established
brands that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

Never had a name brand that didn't meet my expectations. That said, I
always buy name brand tyres, I lead the cheapies to the Noddies of this
world - and hope I never meet them coming the other way on a wet day.

Post by Daryl
That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are

And, doubtless, anyone else's experience either. Darren knows the price
of everything and the value of nothing.

Post by Daryl
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

Post by Noddy
Brand name buying used to mean something years ago, but not today.
Last set of tyres I had on my Navara were Michelin highway treads, and
they were shithouse.

More likely the tyres weren't suited to the vehicle. After all, the
Navara is and always will be a truck. As such, handling is automatically
compromised, especially when unladen.

Post by Daryl
Very surprised by that but it would be unusual for a manufacturer to not
occasionally make something that wasn't up to their usual standard.

Don't believe Darren's get out of jail free card. As a *user* of tyres,
he is unqualified to comment on manufacturing processes of tyres and
testing methods so has no idea what standards apply.

Post by Daryl
I have never driven a car that had Chinese made tyres fitted that I
hadn't hated, the ones that came on my Benz has done less than 2000km
when I got rid of them, I wouldn't put that shit on my worst enemies
trailer.

I have the same attitude to cheap tyres.

Post by Daryl
I don't what the Australian standard is for tyre testing but IMHO its
set way too low especially wet braking distances, the difference between
known brand tyres and cheap Chinese is staggering.

[Hans]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
*Some* are, but then some are perfectly okay.

No doubt there are some Chinese made/brand tyres that are Ok, trouble
is how does anyone know what is a good brand and what is garbage?

You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established
brands that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

Ditto the Michies on my Hunmobile (Pilot S iirc). They're fabulous.
They're both quieter and grippier than whatever was on when it was new.
(Possibly Pirellis)

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
Brand name buying used to mean something years ago, but not today.

What a load of shit. Given the array of junk you've owned for *at least*
this century Fraudster then your opinion on tyres is of the same weight
as your opinion on, well, just about everything.

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
Last set of tyres I had on my Navara were Michelin highway treads, and
they were shithouse.

Very surprised by that

*You* might be "surprised" Deryl, but the less gullible might see
Fraudsters comment as just another sad little attempt to justify his
tightarsedness. Besides, comparing tyres on a DCU is like comparing
treads on a tank.


alvey

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established
brands that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

You're obviously not trying hard enough :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established
brands that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

You're obviously not trying hard enough :)

That needs rewording to note that Daryl isn’t an idiot hoon like you!

____
Xeno

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
You can say exactly the same thing about products from established
manufacturers. Buying a "name brand" tyre is no guarantee that you're
going to get a good one, and we've all had tyres from established
brands that have not been worth anywhere near the money.

That's not been my experience with tyres, the Michelins on my Benz are
7.5 yrs old and done over 50,000km, they are less than half worn and
still grip as good as when they were new.
Most likely I will replace them at 10yrs old as per Michelins
recommendation because I can't wear the things out.

You're obviously not trying hard enough :)

Its not exactly a sports car so I tend to drive it more like a limo than
a Porsche:-)

[Clocky]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell.
My eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

There is a huge difference especially in wet braking distance between
cheap and quality tyres.
Might not be much difference in light truck/ute tyres but Chinese
"performance" tyres are garbage.
A recent test I saw on YouTube "tyre review" channel showed a wet
stopping distance difference of about 10mts between good brand name
tyres and cheap Chinese junk, 10mts is the difference between life and
death.
In my experience cheap tyres aren't necessarily cheap, good tyres often
last longer than cheap tyres so the cost per km is less with brand name
tyres.
The Michelins on the rear of my Porsche are made in Spain, the front
Michelin are made in Indonesia as are the Bridgestones on the Golf.
I wouldn't have Chinese made tyres if you gave me them for free, IMHO
they are dangerous and should be banned.

Nah the guru says they're 'okay' and it doesn't matter these days.
It's about time you caught on to your mates folly isn't is Daryl?

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and they
were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as they all
come from China and half the time if you ground off the markings most
people couldn't tell one from another ;)

There is a massive difference between tyres. We'll mark that off as
something else you're clueless on then...

[lindsay]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :) LOL..

Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Yep, rang Powertorque Finanace to find out when the last payment was
due, (Jan 25) and asked how much extra to pay it off now. "$7.00". so
paid it off over the phone, cancelled the bank account, and saved $48 in
bank fees. A bottle of cheap scotch! 😄

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and they
were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as they all
come from China and half the time if you ground off the markings most
people couldn't tell one from another ;)

Also going to look at Hancook...

[Noddy]

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford dont
do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Yep, rang Powertorque Finanace to find out when the last payment was
due, (Jan 25) and asked how much extra to pay it off now. "$7.00". so
paid it off over the phone, cancelled the bank account, and saved $48 in
bank fees. A bottle of cheap scotch! 😄

Grouse :)

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

Also going to look at Hancook...

Yeah, they're okay too. Used them before and would happily use them again.

I'm trying to remember the name of an A/T tyre I had on my Rodeo years
ago which were quite good. Roadstone? That rings a bell. They were
Chinese from the local independent tyre store here in Bacchus (Not
"tractor tyre fucking Bridgestone :), and they were *way* better than
the Bridgestone heaps of shit that were on it when I bought it.

They may go under a different name now, which is something I've noticed
the Chinese do a lot.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford
dont do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Yep, rang Powertorque Finanace to find out when the last payment was
due, (Jan 25) and asked how much extra to pay it off now. "$7.00". so
paid it off over the phone, cancelled the bank account, and saved $48
in bank fees. A bottle of cheap scotch! 😄

Grouse :)

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

Also going to look at Hancook...

Yeah, they're okay too. Used them before and would happily use them again.
I'm trying to remember the name of an A/T tyre I had on my Rodeo years
ago which were quite good. Roadstone? That rings a bell. They were
Chinese from the local independent tyre store here in Bacchus (Not
"tractor tyre fucking Bridgestone :), and they were *way* better than
the Bridgestone heaps of shit that were on it when I bought it.
They may go under a different name now, which is something I've noticed
the Chinese do a lot.

Yeah, they do that when the *current name* is sufficiently *tainted* -
just like most frauds!

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
Glad i never waited for it. looks like lego. My Ranger is 4yo in Feb
next year.  had a quick look at a replacement, but it seems Ford
dont do cab-chassis utes now, so I'll stick to what i have...

Jeez. Is it that long already?

Yep, rang Powertorque Finanace to find out when the last payment was
due, (Jan 25) and asked how much extra to pay it off now. "$7.00". so
paid it off over the phone, cancelled the bank account, and saved $48
in bank fees. A bottle of cheap scotch! 😄

Grouse :)

Post by lindsay

Post by Noddy

Post by lindsay
will need a new set of tyres in 6 months, was looking at the new
goodrich KO3's, but maybe a bit too much off-road for me.. was
sugessted Falken WILDPEAK A/T AT3W which seems very popular...

I don't know that particular tyre, but I've used Falkens before and
they were okay. I tend not to get excited about tyres these days, as
they all come from China and half the time if you ground off the
markings most people couldn't tell one from another ;)

Also going to look at Hancook...

Yeah, they're okay too. Used them before and would happily use them again.
I'm trying to remember the name of an A/T tyre I had on my Rodeo years
ago which were quite good. Roadstone? That rings a bell. They were
Chinese from the local independent tyre store here in Bacchus (Not
"tractor tyre fucking Bridgestone :), and they were *way* better than
the Bridgestone heaps of shit that were on it when I bought it.

Never been a fan of OE Bridgestone tyres fitted to utes and 4WD's, they
seem to last long enough but as they get older the grip level
deteriorates badly.
Their performance tyres like Potenza are okay, Bridgestones fitted to
the Golf don't lack grip but they are very noisy.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

Today from Whacko World! ... A short, fat and extremely unattractive
man, with a soul as ugly as where he lives, pronouncing on style.




alvey
Opining that you'd have to be mouth-breathing bogan to believe that
there's any aesthetic difference between the hideous monstrosities known
as DCUs. Jaysus.

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

Looks no worse than other modern utes. Looks better in the dark colour
and with the tray back.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

Looks no worse than other modern utes.

Fark. When was the last time you had your eyes tested?

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell.
My eyes are hurting..... :)

Looks no worse than other modern utes.

Fark. When was the last time you had your eyes tested?

They all resemble a hat full of arseholes, but then, as you've pointed
out, they are working vehicles so why would looks have any importance?

Agree that none are good looking but that Kia is hideous, I think
Lindsay's comment is correct, they look like a Lego design.
They also don't look very robust, all those plastic bits won't last long
in a harsh off road environment.

[Noddy]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell.
My eyes are hurting..... :)

Looks no worse than other modern utes.

Fark. When was the last time you had your eyes tested?

They all resemble a hat full of arseholes,

Never said any of them were pretty....

but then, as you've pointed out, they are working vehicles so why would looks have any importance?

They're working vehicles for some. "Lifestyle" vehicles for others, but
that's irrelevant here. The point is there is a massive difference
between "ugly" and "downright fucking hideous".

If you can't see that then I'd make an appointment at your local
Specsavers :)

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia
has premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same
2.2 litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8
speed auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or
beauty, but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

Looks no worse than other modern utes. Looks better in the dark colour
and with the tray back.

looks like a work horse

[Ozix]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

I am sure it will disappear as quickly as the Mercedes dual cab did.

[Xeno]

Post by Ozix

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed
auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as

I am sure it will disappear as quickly as the Mercedes dual cab did.

But the Mercedes dual cab was just a Nissan Navara in drag. It was
destined to fail. Mercedes already had a reliability problem, why on
earth did they ever think that compounding it with Nissan unreliability
was a good idea? Doomed from the outset and it didn't even last as long
as I had thought it might before people woke up to what a steaming crock
of shit it was.

[Daryl]

Post by Ozix

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed
auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as

I am sure it will disappear as quickly as the Mercedes dual cab did.

Price could make a difference, if the Kia is cheap enough it will take
sales away from the Chinese utes, if its priced around the same as
Ranger or Hilux etc its doomed to fail.
Price was also why the MB failed, it was dumb to think that a lot of
people would be silly enough to pay a premium price for a rebadged Navara.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Ozix

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia
has premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same
2.2 litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8
speed auto and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia

I am sure it will disappear as quickly as the Mercedes dual cab did.

Price could make a difference, if the Kia is cheap enough it will take
sales away from the Chinese utes, if its priced around the same as
Ranger or Hilux etc its doomed to fail.
Price was also why the MB failed, it was dumb to think that a lot of
people would be silly enough to pay a premium price for a rebadged Navara.

Which is precisely the reason why the current VW Amarok isn't doing well.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy
After a somewhat lengthy period of rumours and minor comments, Kia has
premiered their new ute, called the "Tasman". Powered by the same 2.2
litre turbo diesel engine that's in my Sorento mated to an 8 speed auto
and AWD, it's due to hit our shores in 2025 with Kia citing it as a

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/kia-defends-tasman-
styling-147829/

Just *fuck*.... :)
I know none of these things would ever win awards for styling or beauty,
but Jesus fucking Christ. It looks like a Jeep Wranger and a Mahindra
pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling are
morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru Levorg or
a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality, driveability, safety (WRT
the Levorg) and reliability.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there are
varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling are
morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru Levorg or
a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality, driveability, safety (WRT
the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks are
subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a commercial
perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example. It was never an
enormously successful car in this country but it did okay. However when
Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed revamp by giving a hideously ugly
front sheet metal "upgrade" to a car that for all of it's life was
fairly conservatively styled it was a commercial failure which brought
about the death of the model.

The only difference between the updated version and the previous model
was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were identical, yet
that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid it like the plague.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell. My
eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there are
varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling are
morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru Levorg
or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality, driveability, safety
(WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks are
subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a commercial
perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example. It was never an
enormously successful car in this country but it did okay. However when
Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed revamp by giving a hideously ugly
front sheet metal "upgrade" to a car that for all of it's life was
fairly conservatively styled it was a commercial failure which brought
about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous model
was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were identical, yet
that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of this
century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with the car
buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380 was a totally
new model but it was too late, the trend was already moving away from
large sedans.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell.
My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there
are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling are
morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru
Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks are
subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a commercial
perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example. It was never
an enormously successful car in this country but it did okay. However
when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed revamp by giving a
hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to a car that for all of
it's life was fairly conservatively styled it was a commercial
failure which brought about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid
it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of this
century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with the car
buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380 was a totally
new model but it was too late, the trend was already moving away from
large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS but wasn't taken with it.
basically still a magna but with different styling.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking hell.
My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there
are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling are
morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru
Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks are
subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a commercial
perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example. It was never
an enormously successful car in this country but it did okay. However
when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed revamp by giving a
hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to a car that for all of
it's life was fairly conservatively styled it was a commercial
failure which brought about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid
it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of this
century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with the car
buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380 was a totally
new model but it was too late, the trend was already moving away from
large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS but wasn't taken with it.
basically still a magna but with different styling.

Not even close to a Magna. Somewhat based on the US Lancer IIRC. MMA
spent a shitload retooling for the new 380 design, something of the
order of $500-600 million and that included new dies for the body
stamping - made the sides all one piece, as is common with cars now. MMA
wanted to distance themselves from the Magna name - and they did - but
the buying public wasn't wanting big sedans any more.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking
hell. My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there
are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling
are morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru
Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks
are subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a
commercial perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example.
It was never an enormously successful car in this country but it
did okay. However when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed
revamp by giving a hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to a
car that for all of it's life was fairly conservatively styled it
was a commercial failure which brought about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid
it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of this
century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with the car
buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380 was a
totally new model but it was too late, the trend was already moving
away from large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS

Ooops! I mean TW

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
but wasn't taken with it. basically still a magna but with different
styling.

Not even close to a Magna.

seemed pretty much the same to me

Post by Xeno
Somewhat based on the US Lancer IIRC. MMA spent a shitload retooling
for the new 380 design, something of the order of $500-600 million and
that included new dies for the body stamping - made the sides all one
piece, as is common with cars now. MMA wanted to distance themselves
from the Magna name - and they did - but the buying public wasn't
wanting big sedans any more.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking
hell. My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But there
are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling
are morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a Subaru
Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks
are subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a
commercial perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example.
It was never an enormously successful car in this country but it
did okay. However when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed
revamp by giving a hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to a
car that for all of it's life was fairly conservatively styled it
was a commercial failure which brought about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to avoid
it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of this
century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with the car
buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380 was a
totally new model but it was too late, the trend was already moving
away from large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS

Ooops! I mean TW

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
but wasn't taken with it. basically still a magna but with different
styling.

Not even close to a Magna.

seemed pretty much the same to me

Well, yes, it follows the style of the corporate identity so there will
be *superficial* similarities to the Magna. But, under the skin, it's an
entirely new body. Just looking at the 380 being built on the production
line shows that much.

This video, at 1:10 in, shows clearly the new way of manufacturing the
sides and turret. The sides are assembled as one single piece which
results in a much stronger car, increased fit-up accuracy and fewer
points which become squeaks and rattles.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
Somewhat based on the US Lancer IIRC. MMA spent a shitload retooling
for the new 380 design, something of the order of $500-600 million and
that included new dies for the body stamping - made the sides all one
piece, as is common with cars now. MMA wanted to distance themselves
from the Magna name - and they did - but the buying public wasn't
wanting big sedans any more.

[Mighty Mouse]

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Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking
hell. My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But
there are varying degrees of ugliness.

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That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling
are morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a
Subaru Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks
are subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a
commercial perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example.
It was never an enormously successful car in this country but it
did okay. However when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed
revamp by giving a hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to
a car that for all of it's life was fairly conservatively styled
it was a commercial failure which brought about the death of the
model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to
avoid it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of
this century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with
the car buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380
was a totally new model but it was too late, the trend was already
moving away from large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS

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but wasn't taken with it. basically still a magna but with
different styling.

Not even close to a Magna.

seemed pretty much the same to me

Well, yes, it follows the style of the corporate identity so there
will be *superficial* similarities to the Magna. But, under the skin,
it's an entirely new body. Just looking at the 380 being built on the
production line shows that much.
http://youtu.be/b6-skGFzccI
This video, at 1:10 in, shows clearly the new way of manufacturing the
sides and turret. The sides are assembled as one single piece which
results in a much stronger car, increased fit-up accuracy and fewer
points which become squeaks and rattles.

yes, I wasn't thinking of the construction of it. just that it looked
much the same as my magna, and probably had the same engine and
transmission, and drove the same. it just seemed like a restyled Magna.
I first saw it at the Melbourne motor show the year it was released.

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Somewhat based on the US Lancer IIRC. MMA spent a shitload retooling
for the new 380 design, something of the order of $500-600 million
and that included new dies for the body stamping - made the sides
all one piece, as is common with cars now. MMA wanted to distance
themselves from the Magna name - and they did - but the buying
public wasn't wanting big sedans any more.

[Xeno]

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Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking
hell. My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly. Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But
there are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on styling
are morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't own a
Subaru Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on practicality,
driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while looks
are subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous from a
commercial perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for example.
It was never an enormously successful car in this country but it
did okay. However when Mitsubishi tried to apply a half-arsed
revamp by giving a hideously ugly front sheet metal "upgrade" to
a car that for all of it's life was fairly conservatively styled
it was a commercial failure which brought about the death of the
model.
The only difference between the updated version and the previous
model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and interior were
identical, yet that styling was horrible enough for people to
avoid it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of
this century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with
the car buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380
was a totally new model but it was too late, the trend was already
moving away from large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS

Ooops! I mean TW

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
but wasn't taken with it. basically still a magna but with
different styling.

Not even close to a Magna.

seemed pretty much the same to me

Well, yes, it follows the style of the corporate identity so there
will be *superficial* similarities to the Magna. But, under the skin,
it's an entirely new body. Just looking at the 380 being built on the
production line shows that much.
http://youtu.be/b6-skGFzccI
This video, at 1:10 in, shows clearly the new way of manufacturing the
sides and turret. The sides are assembled as one single piece which
results in a much stronger car, increased fit-up accuracy and fewer
points which become squeaks and rattles.

yes, I wasn't thinking of the construction of it. just that it looked
much the same as my magna, and probably had the same engine and
transmission, and drove the same. it just seemed like a restyled Magna.
I first saw it at the Melbourne motor show the year it was released.

I didn't mind the look of it when it first came out. It looked a little
more substantial than the Magna, especially the rear aspect. The engine,
6G75, is also stellar being the same basic engine as used in the
Mitsubishi Pajero until 2021. Well regarded as a reliable engine.

[Mighty Mouse]

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Mahindra pranged into each other and had a love child :)
I can't see myself trading the Ranger any time soon. Fucking
hell. My eyes are hurting..... :)

**A difference without distinction. ALL utes are ugly.
Including Rangers.

None of them would ever win awards for beauty, certainly. But
there are varying degrees of ugliness.

Post by Trevor Wilson
That said, people who choose a vehicle based (solely) on
styling are morons. If I chose a vehicle on style, I wouldn't
own a Subaru Levorg or a Nissan Stagea. I chose them on
practicality, driveability, safety (WRT the Levorg) and
reliability.

I agree with that to a point, but you can't deny that while
looks are subjective taking it to extremes can be dangerous
from a commercial perspective. Look at the Mitsubishi Magna for
example. It was never an enormously successful car in this
country but it did okay. However when Mitsubishi tried to apply
a half-arsed revamp by giving a hideously ugly front sheet
metal "upgrade" to a car that for all of it's life was fairly
conservatively styled it was a commercial failure which brought
about the death of the model.
The only difference between the updated version and the
previous model was the front end styling. Mechanicals and
interior were identical, yet that styling was horrible enough
for people to avoid it like the plague.

What a load of codswallop! By the middle of the first decade of
this century *all* 6 cylinder large sedans were on the nose with
the car buying public and it has SFA to do with styling. The 380
was a totally new model but it was too late, the trend was
already moving away from large sedans.

I looked at the 380 when I had the TS

Ooops! I mean TW

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
but wasn't taken with it. basically still a magna but with
different styling.

Not even close to a Magna.

seemed pretty much the same to me

Well, yes, it follows the style of the corporate identity so there
will be *superficial* similarities to the Magna. But, under the
skin, it's an entirely new body. Just looking at the 380 being built
on the production line shows that much.
http://youtu.be/b6-skGFzccI
This video, at 1:10 in, shows clearly the new way of manufacturing
the sides and turret. The sides are assembled as one single piece
which results in a much stronger car, increased fit-up accuracy and
fewer points which become squeaks and rattles.

yes, I wasn't thinking of the construction of it. just that it looked
much the same as my magna, and probably had the same engine and
transmission, and drove the same. it just seemed like a restyled
Magna. I first saw it at the Melbourne motor show the year it was
released.

I didn't mind the look of it when it first came out. It looked a
little more substantial than the Magna, especially the rear aspect.
The engine, 6G75, is also stellar being the same basic engine as used
in the Mitsubishi Pajero until 2021. Well regarded as a reliable engine.

when I was looking at the ASX I was told it's built on the same chassis
as the Lancer