Plan to tax monster utes, SUVs into oblivion in Melbourne and Sydney...

[Peter Jason]

https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m

Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.

These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.

Tax 'em to hell..!

[Noddy]

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)

A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

Post by Peter Jason
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Jesus you are a fucking imbecile.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

Nah Darren, a plan by sensible people to *reclaim the streets*.

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Jesus you are a fucking imbecile.

You really don't like being on the receiving end of grief, do you? Must
have been all that bullying you copped at school!

[lindsay]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

Nah Darren, a plan by sensible people to *reclaim the streets*.

Hahahahahahahahahhaha keep 'em coming, shit-fer-brains.....

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Jesus you are a fucking imbecile.

You really don't like being on the receiving end of grief, do you? Must
have been all that bullying you copped at school!

Tell us about yours, shit-fer-brains... you know, your "school" where
your best subject was "ag" and you learnt fuck all...

"All information per a friend who is a seismic survey navigator, now
retired, who spent a lifetime navigating seismic survey vessels all over
the worlds oceans in search of oil." 03/04/17 1.29pm

and then, in the space of 1 hour 10 mins, he passes it off as his knowledge:

"New found knowledge? Ocean currents, winds, etc. was something I learnt
at school, both primary and high school. Geography, remember that?"
03/04/17 2.40pm

remembering Tommy's scholastic efforts: "Agriculture was my best subject
at school so maybe I should have been a farmer! ;-)" 16/08/15; yet didnt
know what a calf feeder is, didnt know what tractor hydraulics were,
thought cotton wool came from sheep... it's no wonder his knowledge of
ocean and coastal currents is, well, bizarre!

You are a disaster. You purport to be some sort of teacher, yet you show
continually to be nothing but a loud-mouthed failure. A loser. A joke.

Have you ever thought you may stop embarrassing yourself? I doubt it.
You cant help yourself.... Pathetic, Tomas. Truly pathetic.

[Noddy]

Post by Xeno
Nah Darren, a plan by sensible people to *reclaim the streets*.

Hahahahahahahahahhaha   keep 'em coming, shit-fer-brains.....

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Jesus you are a fucking imbecile.

You really don't like being on the receiving end of grief, do you?
Must have been all that bullying you copped at school!

Tell us about yours, shit-fer-brains... you know, your "school" where
your best subject was "ag" and you learnt fuck all...
"All information per a friend who is a seismic survey navigator, now
retired, who spent a lifetime navigating seismic survey vessels all over
the worlds oceans in search of oil." 03/04/17 1.29pm
"New found knowledge? Ocean currents, winds, etc. was something I learnt
at school, both primary and high school. Geography, remember that?"
03/04/17 2.40pm
remembering Tommy's scholastic efforts: "Agriculture was my best subject
at school so maybe I should have been a farmer! ;-)" 16/08/15; yet didnt
know what a calf feeder is, didnt know what tractor hydraulics were,
thought cotton wool came from sheep... it's no wonder his knowledge of
ocean and coastal currents is, well, bizarre!
You are a disaster. You purport to be some sort of teacher, yet you show
continually to be nothing but a loud-mouthed failure. A loser. A joke.
Have you ever thought you may stop embarrassing yourself? I doubt it.
You cant help yourself.... Pathetic, Tomas. Truly pathetic.

He's a genuine mental case. Jonz seems to have found that out for
himself when he met the bloke and went from being one of his supporters
to one of his major critics :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy
He's a genuine mental case. Jonz seems to have found that out for
himself when he met the bloke and went from being one of his supporters
to one of his major critics :)

You have that so wrong Darren. In fact *you* precipitated that by
pressuring Jonz to reveal he hadn't completed his apprenticeship - and
Jonz blamed me for the reveal. At least Jonz *qualified* to enrol in an
apprenticeship, you never did. You simply didn't cut the mustard -
educationally or in any other way, then and ever after - which is why
your life became a litany of lies.

So how about proof of your claims Darren? The biggies being 3
apprenticeships, 2 trade qualifications and an automotive business
ownership in the *Slough Estate of Altona*. Funny how no *official*
records exist, not even in government archives.

[Gazz]

Post by Noddy
He's a genuine mental case. Jonz seems to have found that out for
himself when he met the bloke and went from being one of his supporters
to one of his major critics :)

Is that the same "Jonz" who you routinely describe as the 'village
idiot', or a different one?

buffoon.


alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy
He's a genuine mental case. Jonz seems to have found that out for
himself when he met the bloke and went from being one of his supporters
to one of his major critics :)

The same Jonz you must have dumped on and abused in at least a thousand
posts? That Jonz?

[alvey]

Post by lindsay
Have you ever thought you may stop embarrassing yourself? I doubt it.
You cant help yourself.... Pathetic, Tomas. Truly pathetic.

You don't appear to have realised that your steadfast defense of the
serial liar, hypocrite, coward and foul cretin of Merrimu have made your
opinions worth as much as an election promise.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

As usual another plan by the commo's without much thought, the
particular vehicles they refer to such as the Ram and F150 etc are sold
in very small numbers and despite their increase in number they are
never going to be sold in big numbers simply because they are very
expensive and only appeal to a limited number of buyers.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

As usual another plan by the commo's without much thought, the
particular vehicles they refer to such as the Ram and F150 etc are sold
in very small numbers and despite their increase in number they are
never going to be sold in big numbers simply because they are very
expensive and only appeal to a limited number of buyers.

Yeah, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a retard's excitement :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

As usual another plan by the commo's without much thought, the
particular vehicles they refer to such as the Ram and F150 etc are
sold in very small numbers and despite their increase in number they
are never going to be sold in big numbers simply because they are very
expensive and only appeal to a limited number of buyers.

Yeah, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a retard's
excitement :)

Facts Darren? You *invent* facts to suit your bullshit agenda and you're
well known for it. But, at the end of the day, and without fail, your
invented facts turn out to be figments of your well oiled imagination
and your inferiority complex.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.

According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is "just
over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private vehicles
is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every private
vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles overnight
the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it would very
difficult to measure.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is "just
over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private vehicles
is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every private
vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles overnight
the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it would very
difficult to measure.

A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. Lao Tzu

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is "just
over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private vehicles
is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every private
vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles overnight
the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it would very
difficult to measure.

I've been saying this for some time. There is virtually nothing we can
do in this country that is going to make any appreciable difference to
the "climate emergency", and as long as countries like China, India,
Russia and the US continue to collectively spew out more planet killing
emissions in a single day than we do in a year we are completely wasting
our time doing a single fucking thing.

It's that simple.

[Harry]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is
"just over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private vehicles
is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every private
vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles overnight
the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it would very
difficult to measure.

I've been saying this for some time.

So the chances of it being true are pretty remote.

Post by Noddy
There is virtually nothing we can
do in this country that is going to make any appreciable difference to
the "climate emergency", and as long as countries like China, India,
Russia and the US continue to collectively spew out more planet killing
emissions in a single day than we do in a year we are completely wasting
our time doing a single fucking thing.
It's that simple.

The only "simple" here Fraudster is you.

As per your 'imbecilic' mate Deryl, there are more issues around
Hulksters than simply emissions. Resource wastage, fuel inefficiency,
pedestrian safety, creating slaloms on suburban roads cos the fuckers
won't fit in the garage etc etc. And my main bugbear, general road
safety. For example... There's a house nearby on a T intersection which
I go straight past. Until recently this was without drama, but a couple
of weeks ago it changed hands and the new owners park their *two*
Hulksters on the road close (but legally) to the corner on the road I'm
on. The result is that now I have to creep past them because they block
my view of anything entering from the LH side road. And then there's car
parks...



alvey

[Noddy]

On 12/03/2024 7:59 am, Harry wrote:

<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>

Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut. No one is interested
in anything you have to say.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy
<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>
Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut. No one is interested
in anything you have to say.

Attention slut Darren, why that’d have to be you. You prostituted yourself
with lies and fake claims all in order to bignote yourself. You’re an
attention whore of the first order!

____
Xeno

[jonz]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy
<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>
Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut. No one is interested
in anything you have to say.

Attention slut Darren, why that’d have to be you. You prostituted yourself
with lies and fake claims all in order to bignote yourself. You’re an
attention whore of the first order!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The first *Water* You know all, know nothing dipshit. Nothing has
changed here has it.

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[jonz]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy
<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>
Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut. No one is interested
in anything you have to say.

Attention slut Darren, why that’d have to be you. You prostituted yourself
with lies and fake claims all in order to bignote yourself. You’re an
attention whore of the first order!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The first *Water* You know all, know nothing dipshit. Nothing has
changed here has it.

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[Richie]

Post by Noddy
<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>
Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut.

Quite how pointing out your many flaws and short-comings makes an
"attention slut" is, like your compulsive lying, difficult to explain.

Post by Noddy
No one is interested in anything you have to say.

"Interesting how the retard thinks he can speak on behalf of other
people". Fraudster 08Aug22

I wish you could make it more challenging to highlight your stupidity.



alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Richie

Post by Noddy
<insane rants of a talk back radio screamer flushed>
Shut the fuck up, you nym shifting attention slut.

Quite how pointing out your many flaws and short-comings makes an
"attention slut" is, like your compulsive lying, difficult to explain.

Post by Noddy
No one is interested in anything you have to say.

But Darren was interested enough to respond.

Post by Richie
"Interesting how the retard thinks he can speak on behalf of other
people".  Fraudster 08Aug22

Even more interesting is the fact that his exposure as a bullshit artist
is really getting to him.

Post by Richie
I wish you could make it more challenging to highlight your stupidity.

Needs only to put his pudgy fingers to the keyboard and idiocy begins!

Post by Richie
alvey

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is
"just over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private vehicles
is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every private
vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles overnight
the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it would very
difficult to measure.

I've been saying this for some time. There is virtually nothing we can
do in this country that is going to make any appreciable difference to
the "climate emergency", and as long as countries like China, India,
Russia and the US continue to collectively spew out more planet killing
emissions in a single day than we do in a year we are completely wasting
our time doing a single fucking thing.
It's that simple.

Can't tell the rabid greenies though, once they get something into their
simple minds there is no changing their minds even with scientific evidence.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-co2#:~:text=Australia%20is%20the%20world's%2014th,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
According to above Australia's contribution to global emissions is
"just over 1%".
21% of that 1% is from "transport" and emissions from private
vehicles is less than half of the 21% from all transport so if every
private vehicle in Australia suddenly became zero emission vehicles
overnight the net reduction in emissions would be so tiny that it
would very difficult to measure.

I've been saying this for some time. There is virtually nothing we can
do in this country that is going to make any appreciable difference to
the "climate emergency", and as long as countries like China, India,
Russia and the US continue to collectively spew out more planet
killing emissions in a single day than we do in a year we are
completely wasting our time doing a single fucking thing.
It's that simple.

Can't tell the rabid greenies though, once they get something into their
simple minds there is no changing their minds even with scientific evidence.

Simple minds are what people like you possess - incapable of seeing the
bigger picture.

[BJ89]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

The imbecile Greens should actually learn how to read the science.

And you should learn how to comprehend Deryl.
Emissions was only one of the reasons listed for getting rid of the
bloody things.


alvey

[Barry75]

Post by Noddy

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.

ROTFL :)
A plan by the Greens. Right.... :)

Post by Peter Jason
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Jesus you are a fucking imbecile.

And here's the response of a typical Hulkster owner. Personal abuse
without the sniff of a valid defense of his hideous machine.


alvey

[alvey]

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher. Ideally
with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.


alvey

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher. Ideally
with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to come
and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to carry
their tools on their backs.
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them should
be executed.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to come
and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to carry
their tools on their backs.
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them should
be executed.

Commodores should be first on the list. They're retard mobiles :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

Funny, I can remember when tradie utes were a 2x4 and appropriately
sized for their roles.

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

Commodores should be first on the list. They're retard mobiles :)

Nah Darren, the Rangers are retard mobiles, built for small men with
inferiority complexes - small men like you, hey?

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to come
and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to carry
their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores and
Falcons with enormous success. My local plumber seems very happy with
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local builder
uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying HUGE loads.

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them should
be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to

There will still be petrol fueled utes that won't be spewing out
carcinogenic soot particles.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores and
Falcons with enormous success. My local plumber seems very happy with

Hmmm, not sure I'd 100% agree with that. The Japanese utes and tabletops
are much better suited as tradie utes as they are *not* car based. The
Commodore and Falcon based utes, unless of the 1 ton variety, don't have
sufficient ground clearance or load capacity. In fact, most of the utes
of that ilk seem to have been lowered for *looks*, not *work*. My mate's
1 ton Falcon tabletop ute is well and truly laden full time with all his
plumbing gear. Standard Falcon ute wouldn't cut the mustard.

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local builder
uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying HUGE loads.

Yep, see that a bit around here.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
 and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores and
Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.


My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local builder
uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many of
the common utes.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with extra
hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Post by Trevor Wilson
 and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the spot
and their cars crushed.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years. Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist. My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for. One of the local builders has a monster
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck
to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he
also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

Post by Daryl
 My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many of
the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with all
their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with extra
hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

**Perhaps you missed what I wrote. Here it is again:

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred to
not make you a fuckwit now?

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
  and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the spot
and their cars crushed.

**You don't like reliable, economical and safe vehicles (When I
purchased my Subvaru, it has a slightly higher safety rating than the
equivalent Merc that cost $25k more)? Why is that?

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Not today.

Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist.

Really?

Post by Trevor Wilson
My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for.

What *are* they designed for, Trev?

Post by Trevor Wilson
One of the local builders has a monster
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck
to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he
also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

And what does he tow his boat with? :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor? You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why it
is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their vehicle
choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any other
vehicle owner.

Why is that, Trev?

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be? Why do you have your nose so far out of joint
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

[JWL]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Not today.
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist.

Really?
 > My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are

Post by Trevor Wilson
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for.

What *are* they designed for, Trev?
 > One of the local builders has a monster

Post by Trevor Wilson
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne
truck to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And
yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

And what does he tow his boat with? :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor? You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why it
is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their vehicle
choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any other
vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be? Why do you have your nose so far out of joint
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

That's a minor variation on the idiot Trumps', "Putin can do what he
likes" insanity, or Americas' lunatic 2nd Amendments gun ownership
freedoms. Right down to compulsory seat belt laws and building
regulations. They matter because they impact on others.



alvey

[Noddy]

On 13/03/2024 8:18 am, JWL wrote:

Fuck off you insane attention whoring irrelevance. You're not part of
any conversation around here.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy
Fuck off you insane attention whoring irrelevance. You're not part of
any conversation around here.

Public forum Darren, you don't get to dictate who can or cannot post
here. Oh, and anyone who posts *is* part of the conversation here. Of
course, there are all your lies, bullshit and self aggrandising fake
claims that you post here - they aren't particularly welcome.

Speaking of your claims, how about some proof Darren? After all, you
initially spouted them to give yourself some *street cred* here so you
now owe it to the posters here to back those claims with proof - real proof!

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy
Fuck off you insane attention whoring irrelevance. You're not part of
any conversation around here.

He's as part of any conversation as you are 'Sheriff'. The only
difference is he has credibility and you don't - like every one else you
hate around here and have told to leave.

Hate to be the one to break it to you pal, but you have no credibility,
no integrity and no authority around here.

[Cunk]

Post by Noddy
Fuck off you insane attention whoring irrelevance.

Bad news Fraudster. As a congenital liar, fantasist and career
non-achiever your opinion of insanity is as credible as the existence of
NA of SIA.

Post by Noddy
You're not part of any conversation around here.

As usual, wrong again Fraudster.



alvey

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Not today.
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Exactly, light commercial vehicles such as Jap utes are vastly superior
to Holden or Falcon utes as work vehicles.
Interesting that in the UK and Europe tradies mostly drive vans and
whingers over there complain the same as the whingers here, they would
all complain even louder when they can't get a tradie to come to their
houses to fix things.
It will get even worse when and if tradies are forced to drive EV's that
will be much heavier.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist.

Really?
 > My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are

Post by Trevor Wilson
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for.

What *are* they designed for, Trev?
 > One of the local builders has a monster

Post by Trevor Wilson
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne
truck to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And
yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

And what does he tow his boat with? :)

Wonder how a Levorg would go towing, need to put some wheels under the
back to stop it dragging its arse on the ground.
Maybe we should just ban builders and all live in tents.
A new house is being built next door to me so there are 2 utes there,
one a Ranger towing a big trailer and the other is one of those Chinese
things, the builders should just tow a trailer behind a push bike.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Exactly, light commercial vehicles such as Jap utes are vastly superior
to Holden or Falcon utes as work vehicles.

They are indeed.

Post by Daryl
Interesting that in the UK and Europe tradies mostly drive vans and
whingers over there complain the same as the whingers here, they would
all complain even louder when they can't get a tradie to come to their
houses to fix things.
It will get even worse when and if tradies are forced to drive EV's that
will be much heavier.

This nonsensical argument has been raised here *many* times over the
years, and it is just as idiotic today as it always has been. For the
life of me I'll never understand why it is that some people believe that
other have to justify their vehicle purchases while their *own* choices
are exempt from such scrutiny.

It's bizarre, it's insane, and it highlights *perfectly* just how out of
touch with reality people can be.

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

Wonder how a Levorg would go towing, need to put some wheels under the
back to stop it dragging its arse on the ground.
Maybe we should just ban builders and all live in tents.

Lol :)

Post by Daryl
A new house is being built next door to me so there are 2 utes there,
one a Ranger towing a big trailer and the other is one of those Chinese
things, the builders should just tow a trailer behind a push bike.

The idea that some people should have a say in what *other* people
choose to drive is utterly preposterous, but it becomes totally
nonsensical when their own choices are called into question.

Take Trevor's choice of rides for example. To my knowledge he owns a
Subaru Levorg and an old Nissan Stagea, and if I remember correctly he
wanted small'ish wagons as he needed a degree cargo carrying capacity
for his audio equipment business. Fair enough, but there were better
choices of wagons around at the time if a wagon was the all important
selection criteria, but he didn't *want* those.

But he has *two* wagons. He can only ever drive one at a time, and I
dare say his business isn't busy enough that he needs both of them on
the road carrying freight 24/7. In fact, if he's like 99.99% of other
people the majority of his vehicle use is spent with his arse on the
driver's seat and the rest of the vehicle being empty (when the other
one is parked up doing absolutely nothing) which would be a pretty good
case for someone to argue that his vehicles spend the overwhelming bulk
of their time *not* being used as the manufacturer intended.

Odd, huh?

Of course, if he was *really* as concerned about the effects of personal
vehicle choice on other road users as he likes to make himself out to be
then he doesn't need to have a wagon at all. He could have a scooter for
those times when it's just his bum on the seat and hire a wagon when he
actually needed it, or at the most he could have something like a Toyota
Yaris with a tow bar and have a small trailer that he hooks up when he
needs to carry a load of audio equipment. That would meet 99.99% of his
driving needs, and I'm guessing the stuff he occasionally carries around
is more about physical bulk than it is weight, so a Yaris with a trailer
would be fine. He could also get rid of the Stagea which compared to
anything made in the last 5 years would have totally shithouse safety
and emissions capabilities.

But he doesn't do any of that, because that's not what he *wants* to do.

He wants to do what he *likes*, which is perfectly fine, but for some
bizarre reason known only to him and others with the same remarkably
blinkered view that freedom of choice *isn't* a privilege that should be
automatically extended to anyone else, and *that's* the massive
contradiction that makes these people look like fruitcakes.

Every single person who criticises someone else's personal choice when
it comes to vehicles does so while enjoying the very freedom of choice
that they themselves criticise others for having.

As I said. It's bizarre. And what makes it ridiculously funny is that
the whingers don't see it :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Exactly, light commercial vehicles such as Jap utes are vastly
superior to Holden or Falcon utes as work vehicles.

They are indeed.

Post by Daryl
Interesting that in the UK and Europe tradies mostly drive vans and
whingers over there complain the same as the whingers here, they would
all complain even louder when they can't get a tradie to come to their
houses to fix things.
It will get even worse when and if tradies are forced to drive EV's
that will be much heavier.

This nonsensical argument has been raised here *many* times over the
years, and it is just as idiotic today as it always has been. For the
life of me I'll never understand why it is that some people believe that
other have to justify their vehicle purchases while their *own* choices
are exempt from such scrutiny.
It's bizarre, it's insane, and it highlights *perfectly* just how out of
touch with reality people can be.

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

Wonder how a Levorg would go towing, need to put some wheels under the
back to stop it dragging its arse on the ground.
Maybe we should just ban builders and all live in tents.

Lol :)

Post by Daryl
A new house is being built next door to me so there are 2 utes there,
one a Ranger towing a big trailer and the other is one of those
Chinese things, the builders should just tow a trailer behind a push
bike.

The idea that some people should have a say in what *other* people
choose to drive is utterly preposterous, but it becomes totally
nonsensical when their own choices are called into question.
Take Trevor's choice of rides for example. To my knowledge he owns a
Subaru Levorg and an old Nissan Stagea, and if I remember correctly he
wanted small'ish wagons as he needed a degree cargo carrying capacity
for his audio equipment business. Fair enough, but there were better
choices of wagons around at the time if a wagon was the all important
selection criteria, but he didn't *want* those.
But he has *two* wagons. He can only ever drive one at a time, and I
dare say his business isn't busy enough that he needs both of them on
the road carrying freight 24/7. In fact, if he's like 99.99% of other
people the majority of his vehicle use is spent with his arse on the
driver's seat and the rest of the vehicle being empty (when the other
one is parked up doing absolutely nothing) which would be a pretty good
case for someone to argue that his vehicles spend the overwhelming bulk
of their time *not* being used as the manufacturer intended.
Odd, huh?
Of course, if he was *really* as concerned about the effects of personal
vehicle choice on other road users as he likes to make himself out to be
then he doesn't need to have a wagon at all. He could have a scooter for
those times when it's just his bum on the seat and hire a wagon when he
actually needed it, or at the most he could have something like a Toyota
Yaris with a tow bar and have a small trailer that he hooks up when he
needs to carry a load of audio equipment. That would meet 99.99% of his
driving needs, and I'm guessing the stuff he occasionally carries around
is more about physical bulk than it is weight, so a Yaris with a trailer
would be fine. He could also get rid of the Stagea which compared to
anything made in the last 5 years would have totally shithouse safety
and emissions capabilities.
But he doesn't do any of that, because that's not what he *wants* to do.
He wants to do what he *likes*, which is perfectly fine, but for some
bizarre reason known only to him and others with the same remarkably
blinkered view that freedom of choice *isn't* a privilege that should be
automatically extended to anyone else, and *that's* the massive
contradiction that makes these people look like fruitcakes.
Every single person who criticises someone else's personal choice when
it comes to vehicles does so while enjoying the very freedom of choice
that they themselves criticise others for having.
As I said. It's bizarre. And what makes it ridiculously funny is that
the whingers don't see it :)

What is really bizarre is you *running away* from proving all your
*claims* of the past two decades and more. What is ridiculously funny is
that your mates in the FLCJC don't see it - or maybe they do and are too
embarrassed to say anything.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Exactly, light commercial vehicles such as Jap utes are vastly
superior to Holden or Falcon utes as work vehicles.

They are indeed.

Post by Daryl
Interesting that in the UK and Europe tradies mostly drive vans and
whingers over there complain the same as the whingers here, they would
all complain even louder when they can't get a tradie to come to their
houses to fix things.
It will get even worse when and if tradies are forced to drive EV's
that will be much heavier.

This nonsensical argument has been raised here *many* times over the
years, and it is just as idiotic today as it always has been. For the
life of me I'll never understand why it is that some people believe that
other have to justify their vehicle purchases while their *own* choices
are exempt from such scrutiny.

I can help you here! You can't understand because you are an idiot.

Post by Noddy
It's bizarre, it's insane, and it highlights *perfectly* just how out of
touch with reality people can be.

lol! Says the fantasist who has told more reality-smashing lies than
everyone else here combined.

Post by Noddy
The idea that some people should have a say in what *other* people
choose to drive is utterly preposterous, but it becomes totally
nonsensical when their own choices are called into question.

Crikey that's badly written. Even allowing for the fact that the author
is a raving loony. What is "it" that becomes "nonsensical"? (Aside from
sense)

Tell you what Fraudster! I'm a huge fan of Boudica (A British tribes'
queen who led an unsuccessful revolt against the Romans in about 60
BCE), and would like to emulate her chariot and fix sharp blades to my
cars hubcaps. Is that OK with you?

Post by Noddy
Take Trevor's choice of rides for example. To my knowledge he owns a
Subaru Levorg and an old Nissan Stagea, and if I remember correctly he
wanted small'ish wagons as he needed a degree cargo carrying capacity
for his audio equipment business. Fair enough, but there were better
choices of wagons around at the time if a wagon was the all important
selection criteria, but he didn't *want* those.
But he has *two* wagons. He can only ever drive one at a time, and I
dare say his business isn't busy enough that he needs both of them on
the road carrying freight 24/7. In fact, if he's like 99.99% of other
people the majority of his vehicle use is spent with his arse on the
driver's seat and the rest of the vehicle being empty (when the other
one is parked up doing absolutely nothing) which would be a pretty good
case for someone to argue that his vehicles spend the overwhelming bulk
of their time *not* being used as the manufacturer intended.
Odd, huh?

Your 'argument'? I'd opine it's much closer to 'bizarre'.

Post by Noddy
Of course, if he was *really* as concerned about the effects of personal
vehicle choice on other road users as he likes to make himself out to be
then he doesn't need to have a wagon at all. He could have a scooter for
those times when it's just his bum on the seat and hire a wagon when he
actually needed it, or at the most he could have something like a Toyota
Yaris with a tow bar and have a small trailer that he hooks up when he
needs to carry a load of audio equipment. That would meet 99.99% of his
driving needs, and I'm guessing the stuff he occasionally carries around
is more about physical bulk than it is weight, so a Yaris with a trailer
would be fine.

It doesn't appear to have dawned on Fraudster that audio equipment
doesn't play well with water. Never mind Fraudster. You weren't making
sense anyway.

Post by Noddy
He could also get rid of the Stagea which compared to
anything made in the last 5 years would have totally shithouse safety
and emissions capabilities.
But he doesn't do any of that, because that's not what he *wants* to do.
He wants to do what he *likes*, which is perfectly fine, but for some
bizarre reason known only to him and others with the same remarkably
blinkered view that freedom of choice *isn't* a privilege that should be
automatically extended to anyone else, and *that's* the massive
contradiction that makes these people look like fruitcakes.
Every single person who criticises someone else's personal choice when
it comes to vehicles does so while enjoying the very freedom of choice
that they themselves criticise others for having.
As I said. It's bizarre.

Your 'reasoning'? It sure is. Nutty as silo of macadamias.

Post by Noddy
And what makes it ridiculously funny is that
the whingers don't see it :)

The fact that you are a spokesloon for Hulksters is a significant piece
of evidence that their case For is somewhere between feeble and
non-existent.

hth


alvey

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Not today.
Maybe, just maybe mind you, traditional utes are no longer available
because people really wanted something else, and as soon as it became
available they stopped buying them :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist.

Really?
 > My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are

Post by Trevor Wilson
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for.

What *are* they designed for, Trev?
 > One of the local builders has a monster

Post by Trevor Wilson
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne
truck to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And
yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used for
shopping and school pickups.

You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why it
is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their vehicle
choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any other
vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they just
take up so much damned space.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on. My
immediate neighbour is a builder. He has a Triton ute. It goes out every
day, packed with tools and building materials. He actually uses the
thing for work. It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do the
shopping.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

Either way, what does it have to do with you?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used for
shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used for
the intended purpose.

I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
 You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why it
is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they just
take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that. But
how do you know the rest?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct correlation
between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country with the
introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on sale here?

Post by Trevor Wilson
 Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on.

Well, yeah. You do. Whinging about what some other people choose to buy
is *exactly* what you're doing :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
My immediate neighbour is a builder. He has a Triton ute. It goes

out every

Post by Trevor Wilson
day, packed with tools and building materials. He actually uses the
thing for work.

So what? He could probably do the exact same thing with an old Ford
Falcon or Holden Commodore station wagon. But he chooses *not* to, and
that's what this is about. People being free to choose to drive what
they like.

Post by Trevor Wilson
It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do the
shopping.

I'm still trying to work out why you would care about this, when it
doesn't seem to impact on you in any way.

It's bizarre. It borders on penis envy.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

Blocks the local street up with unjustified commercial vehicles.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used for
the intended purpose.

Trev already stated what most utes *aren't used for* - their original
design intent. The *factory* design intent was for the ute to be a
*light commercial vehicle* but the confusion arises when you look at the
marketing spiel. That seems to be aimed at something quite different
and, for the most part, that spiel seems to be aimed at people with
small penises, people like you. You know the type, people who don't have
a business case for a ute, who don't have a justification for a 4x4
because they never go off road, who just use a ute for general
*errands*, who need a ute as a salve to their inferiority complexes. In
this case, the bigger the ute the better - and your Ranger is the
absolute epitome of that!

Post by Noddy
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
  You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why
it is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?
Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that. But
how do you know the rest?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct correlation
between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country with the
introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on sale here?

More to the point, can you disprove it? As always, you're rather light
on proof.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on.

Well, yeah. You do. Whinging about what some other people choose to buy
is *exactly* what you're doing :)

*YOU* have been whinging about what others buy and use ever since you
first set your bullshit loose in aus.cars.

Post by Noddy
 > My immediate neighbour is a builder. He has a Triton ute. It goes
out every

Post by Trevor Wilson
day, packed with tools and building materials. He actually uses the
thing for work.

So what? He could probably do the exact same thing with an old Ford
Falcon or Holden Commodore station wagon. But he chooses *not* to, and
that's what this is about. People being free to choose to drive what
they like.

Ah, no he couldn't. You can't buy those any more. Know why you can't buy
those types of utes and wagons any more Darren? It's really simple, the
*target market*, ie. the people for whom they were intended to be sold
to stopped-buying-them. Why? Because they weren't fit for the purpose
and the target market rejected them, the *manufacturers* stopped making
them. It really is that simple.

Post by Noddy
 > It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from

Post by Trevor Wilson
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do
the shopping.

I'm still trying to work out why you would care about this, when it
doesn't seem to impact on you in any way.

He has already said that - it blocks up his local street.

Post by Noddy
It's bizarre. It borders on penis envy.

Penis envy Darren? You've got to be joking! The only one with penis envy
here is you - you envy those with trade qualifications soooo much that
you have to falsely claim you've done 3 apprenticeships and have 2 trade
qualifications! Now *that* is *real penis envy*.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used for
the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

Post by Trevor Wilson
  You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why
it is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?
Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that. But
how do you know the rest?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct correlation
between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country with the
introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on sale here?

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2024/mbfeb2024_01032024.pdf
I looked for data to see what I could find on the subject, I typed into
Google "pedestrian deaths by vehicle type" but didn't find anything
conclusive for Australia.
There was some research in the US suggesting that that if a pedestrian
is hit by a higher vehicles they are more likely to be seriously or
fatally injured but since we have very few US style vehicles in
Australia and our road rules are very different to those in the US so
the US data is not relevant here.
Might change if large numbers of US pickups are sold here but that seems
very unlikely.
In the above pdf doc page 6 it seems that the majority of pedestrian
deaths still involves "cars", light commercial vehicle involved in
pedestrian deaths are approx half the number involving "cars".
I didn't see anything in the report that defined what a car is but most
likely it includes smaller SUVs.
When I was a kid I was taught how to cross a road and not get hit by a
car, maybe we should educate people on taking responsibility for their
own actions and not just blame someone else, in a very high number of
pedestrian accidents the fault is with the pedestrian yet somehow its
the responsibility of car makers and drivers to do something about it
which seems rather fucked up to me.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

**It sits there all day on weekdays. The truck goes out on weekdays. I
see the RAM at the local shopping centre or on school pickups. That's
it. It looks nice and shiny all the time.

Post by Noddy
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

**The RAM is dangerous to pedestrians and occupies insane amounts of
space in the local shopping centre car park. It doesn't fit within the
bounds of a standard parking space.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used for
the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why
it is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

**From the published data:

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Post by Noddy
Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that. But
how do you know the rest?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct correlation
between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country with the
introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on sale here?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on.

Well, yeah. You do. Whinging about what some other people choose to buy
is *exactly* what you're doing :)

**I don't care what people spend their money on, UNTIL it impinges on my
way of life. Like, for instance, Jetskis. I don't mind people wasting
their money on jetskis, UNLESS they decide hoon up and down the river on
a quiet Sunday morning. Then I get pissed off. Why should 20,000 people
suffer the disturbance of jetskis just to satisfy the desires of one
selfish cunt?

Post by Noddy
 > My immediate neighbour is a builder. He has a Triton ute. It goes
out every

Post by Trevor Wilson
day, packed with tools and building materials. He actually uses the
thing for work.

So what? He could probably do the exact same thing with an old Ford
Falcon or Holden Commodore station wagon. But he chooses *not* to, and
that's what this is about. People being free to choose to drive what
they like.
 > It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from

Post by Trevor Wilson
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do
the shopping.

I'm still trying to work out why you would care about this, when it
doesn't seem to impact on you in any way.

**Asked and answered.

Post by Noddy
It's bizarre. It borders on penis envy.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

**It sits there all day on weekdays. The truck goes out on weekdays. I
see the RAM at the local shopping centre or on school pickups. That's
it. It looks nice and shiny all the time.

So, you see it every time it gets used, or just occasionally?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

**The RAM is dangerous to pedestrians and occupies insane amounts of
space in the local shopping centre car park. It doesn't fit within the
bounds of a standard parking space.

Here's a free tip: *every* vehicle on the road is "dangerous" to
pedestrians, and people have been killed from being struck by a push
bike. I can also guarantee you that I will see someone in a regular car
parked like a complete *cunt* every time I go to my local shopping centre.

Still, what any of that has to do with you is a complete mystery.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used
for the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

Where is it written *anywhere* that any ute has to be used for "work
purposes"? I don't work, and my ute spends most of it's time moving my
fat arse around or dropping kids off at school and if that's all you saw
you'd be reaching false conclusions.

I use it to tow and haul crap whenever I *need* to, which is precisely
what any ute you see may be doing whenever you're *not* watching them :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Nowhere in that report does it single out pickup trucks specifically,
and moreover it mentions nothing about this country which is the focus
of this conversation.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that. But
how do you know the rest?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Again, data from the US isn't relative to here.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct
correlation between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country
with the introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on
sale here?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Do you have anything local Trev?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on.

Well, yeah. You do. Whinging about what some other people choose to
buy is *exactly* what you're doing :)

**I don't care what people spend their money on, UNTIL it impinges on my
way of life. Like, for instance, Jetskis. I  don't mind people wasting
their money on jetskis, UNLESS they decide hoon up and down the river on
a quiet Sunday morning. Then I get pissed off. Why should 20,000 people
suffer the disturbance of jetskis just to satisfy the desires of one
selfish cunt?

Lol :)

I'm getting an image of you as the grumpy old man from the movie "Up".

Want some balloons? :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
  > It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from

Post by Trevor Wilson
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do
the shopping.

I'm still trying to work out why you would care about this, when it
doesn't seem to impact on you in any way.

**Asked and answered.

You always resort to this when cornered, and it's always a cop out
whenever you use it. You get asked, but you *seldom* answer with
anything relevant to the question asked of you.

Quite simply, what other people drive has no impact on you any more than
what *you* drive impacts anyone else. You're just one of these blokes
who doesn't like what some other people do, and look for excuses to
justify that hatred.

Most of it comes off as being utterly ridiculous.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's
all he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

**It sits there all day on weekdays. The truck goes out on weekdays. I
see the RAM at the local shopping centre or on school pickups. That's
it. It looks nice and shiny all the time.

So, you see it every time it gets used, or just occasionally?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

**The RAM is dangerous to pedestrians and occupies insane amounts of
space in the local shopping centre car park. It doesn't fit within the
bounds of a standard parking space.

Here's a free tip: *every* vehicle on the road is "dangerous" to
pedestrians, and people have been killed from being struck by a push
bike. I can also guarantee you that I will see someone in a regular car
parked like a complete *cunt* every time I go to my local shopping centre.
Still, what any of that has to do with you is a complete mystery.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some
magic fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be
used for the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

Where is it written *anywhere* that any ute has to be used for "work
purposes"? I don't work, and my ute spends most of it's time moving my
fat arse around or dropping kids off at school and if that's all you saw

Yep, the pretend businessman pretending also to be a tradie. Got you
worked out, nice to see you admit it.

Post by Noddy
you'd be reaching false conclusions.

In your case? Nah!

Post by Noddy
I use it to tow and haul crap whenever I *need* to, which is precisely
what any ute you see may be doing whenever you're *not* watching them :)

In a blue moon and all that!

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Nowhere in that report does it single out pickup trucks specifically,
and moreover it mentions nothing about this country which is the focus
of this conversation.

Trends are moving.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
Certainly they are large and Ray Charles could have told you that.
But how do you know the rest?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Again, data from the US isn't relative to here.

So much you know about research. Data can be relevant to anywhere - as
long as suitable adjustments are made.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is
no penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Why does there need to be?

**Asked and answered. They kill more pedestrians. They are fucking
dangerous.

Again I ask you, how do you know this? Can you show a direct
correlation between an increase in pedestrian deaths in this country
with the introduction of these large American pick up trucks going on
sale here?

**
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Do you have anything local Trev?

Any current 4x4 ute has a high bonnet profile and poor visibility out
front. Most utes on sale *here* are therefore at higher risk factors.
These risk factors are *worsened* when the poseurs *jack the utes up*,
ostensibly seeking greater ground clearance for off-roading - something
most will never see. Any jacking raises the CofG and increases the risk
of rollover on the highway.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  Why do you have your nose so far out of joint

Post by Noddy
about what someone *else* chooses to spend their money on?

**I don't care all that much what they spend their money on.

Well, yeah. You do. Whinging about what some other people choose to
buy is *exactly* what you're doing :)

**I don't care what people spend their money on, UNTIL it impinges on
my way of life. Like, for instance, Jetskis. I  don't mind people
wasting their money on jetskis, UNLESS they decide hoon up and down
the river on a quiet Sunday morning. Then I get pissed off. Why should
20,000 people suffer the disturbance of jetskis just to satisfy the
desires of one selfish cunt?

Lol :)
I'm getting an image of you as the grumpy old man from the movie "Up".

The grumpy old (crippled) man here is you.

Post by Noddy
Want some balloons? :)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
  > It doesn't get used for shopping, picking kids up from

Post by Trevor Wilson
school. Just work. The dickhead who owns the RAM just uses his to do
the shopping.

I'm still trying to work out why you would care about this, when it
doesn't seem to impact on you in any way.

**Asked and answered.

You always resort to this when cornered, and it's always a cop out
whenever you use it. You get asked, but you *seldom* answer with
anything relevant to the question asked of you.

Well, how about proof of your long term grandiose claims of trade
qualifications then? You have *never* come up with an answer to those
questions when asked of *you*. In fact, all *you* ever do is *run away*.

Post by Noddy
Quite simply, what other people drive has no impact on you any more than
what *you* drive impacts anyone else. You're just one of these blokes
who doesn't like what some other people do, and look for excuses to
justify that hatred.
Most of it comes off as being utterly ridiculous.

The above bullshit from the person who was the most critical of what
other people do - at least until you were proven the be the greatest
bullshit artist on the planet.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

**It sits there all day on weekdays. The truck goes out on weekdays. I
see the RAM at the local shopping centre or on school pickups. That's
it. It looks nice and shiny all the time.

Post by Noddy
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

**The RAM is dangerous to pedestrians and occupies insane amounts of
space in the local shopping centre car park. It doesn't fit within the
bounds of a standard parking space.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used
for the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

What are you doing hanging around school pick up areas to make such
observations?
If your observation skills were as good as you claim you should have
noted that vehicle type isn't the problem at school pick ups, having
managed a school cleaning business for 25yrs plus having 2 sons and 2
school age Grand Kids I've spent a lot of time around schools and my
observation is that the biggest problem isn't the vehicles its the
drivers, they always seem to be impatient and in a hurry and that
doesn't vary with vehicle type.
I recently picked up my oldest grand son from school, the car park was
small with only about 25 cars, the majority of vehicles were small SUV's
and hatchbacks, out of 25 there may have been 5 utes and I was driving
by far the biggest ute, I had spent the day with my mate from Qld and
the only vehicle available to me was his 79 series Landcruiser.
Love the 4.5lt V8 turbo diesel, my grandson thought that it was very cool:-)

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why
it is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

US data is not relevant in Australia, our road and vehicle design rules
are different and we have very few US vehicles here.
Try finding data on pedestrian deaths and vehicle type, its not easy to
find anything recent.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

What are you doing hanging around school pick up areas to make such
observations?
If your observation skills were as good as you claim you should have
noted that vehicle type isn't the problem at school pick ups, having
managed a school cleaning business for 25yrs plus having 2 sons and 2
school age Grand Kids I've spent a lot of time around schools and my
observation is that the biggest problem isn't the vehicles its the
drivers, they always seem to be impatient and in a hurry and that
doesn't vary with vehicle type.

Agreed.

Post by Daryl
I recently picked up my oldest grand son from school, the car park was
small with only about 25 cars, the majority of vehicles were small SUV's
and hatchbacks, out of 25 there may have been 5 utes and I was driving
by far the biggest ute, I had spent the day with my mate from Qld and
the only vehicle available to me was his 79 series Landcruiser.
Love the 4.5lt V8 turbo diesel, my grandson thought that it was very cool:-)

Lol :)

Same here. I'll pick my kid up from school if I'm in the area at around
the right time and that's not often, but whenever I do most of the cars
there seem to be a mix of sedans, SUVs's (a term I fucking *hate) and
people mover vans. In fact utes of any variety are definitely the
minority, and there are usually more vans than utes.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And how do you know all this, Trev?

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

US data is not relevant in Australia, our road and vehicle design rules
are different and we have very few US vehicles here.
Try finding data on pedestrian deaths and vehicle type, its not easy to
find anything recent.

It's always difficult trying to relate US data to here, as they have
different vehicle regulations, different laws, and a *way* different mix
of mainstream vehicles. As I said in another post, if there was any
correlation between the introduction of American utes on Aussie roads
with a rise in pedestrian fatalities then I could certainly accept that
they represent an increased risk, but no such data apparently exists
which tells me that the theory is exactly that and nothing more.

It's also important to bear in mind that not everything with a high
bonnet represents an increased risk, and I presented ANCAP data a couple
of months ago which showed that in pedestrian tests things like Ford
Rangers and Toyota Hilux's actually had a better overall pedestrian
safety rating than some common cars with bonnet heights that were
significantly lower. Of course, the haters will cherry pick those
results to create a false narrative while offering nothing to support
their own claims.

As they usually do....

[Sheila38]

....while offering nothing to support their own claims.
As they usually do....

No doubt about this diagnosis. Fraudster has the biggest irony
deficiency ever recorded.

What a buffoon you are Fraudster.



alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
And what does he tow his boat with? :)

**Usually with his Merc ute. The RAM just sits on the road, down the
shops or is used for school pickup.

Lot of money to spend *just* to do that, isn't it? You sure that's all
he does with it, or is it all you *think* he does?

**It sits there all day on weekdays. The truck goes out on weekdays. I
see the RAM at the local shopping centre or on school pickups. That's
it. It looks nice and shiny all the time.

Post by Noddy
Either way, what does it have to do with you?

**The RAM is dangerous to pedestrians and occupies insane amounts of
space in the local shopping centre car park. It doesn't fit within the
bounds of a standard parking space.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

What exactly *is* the original design intent you're talking about,
Trevor?

**Good question. I have no fucking idea. They seem to be mostly used
for shopping and school pickups.

Riiiiight. So you admit to having no idea what the original design
intent of the vehicles in question actually is, but through some magic
fuckery known only to you you know that "most" don't seem to be used
for the intended purpose.
I don't know how you do that. It clearly takes a special skill :)

**I see a huge number of the the things at school pickup and drop off
and at the local shops. Whilst doing those things, they are not being
used for work purposes. They are just taking up space and risking the
lives of pedestrians.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
  You're obviously an expert on these vehicles, so perhaps you

Post by Noddy
could fill us in? While you're at it, perhaps you could explain why
it is that ute buyers have some bizarre obligation to justify their
vehicle choice that, according to you, doesn't seem to extend to any
other vehicle owner.
Why is that, Trev?

**Because they kill more pedestrians that other vehicles, they're
responsible for more parking incidents than other vehicles and they
just take up so much damned space.

And how do you know all this, Trev?

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians

Darren is too stupid to realise that data applies equally in *any* area
of the world. Design of the frontal area of *cars* was modified to
minimise pedestrian injuries. Commercial vehicles, including utes, were
not subject to such design changes. Even if they were, the trend to
fitting bull bars to utes mitigates any advantages gained in front end
design with respect to accident amelioration.

[alvey]

Noddy wrote:

snip loadacrap


A Fraudster argument is like a pinball machine. He ricochets all over
the place but inevitably goes into a black hole.


alvey

[Xeno]

Post by alvey
snip loadacrap
A Fraudster argument is like a pinball machine. He ricochets all over
the place but inevitably goes into a black hole.
alvey

An appropriate a description of Darren!

[alvey]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years. Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist. My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are
EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for. One of the local builders has a monster
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck
to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he
also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with
all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred to
not make you a fuckwit now?

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
  and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the
spot and their cars crushed.

**You don't like reliable, economical and safe vehicles

Although it's impossible to be sure, I *think* Deryl was trying to be funny.



alvey

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years. Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that
doesn't exist. My local shopping centre is full of the things. They
are EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned
things. They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the
alleged purpose they were designed for. One of the local builders has
a monster RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10
Tonne truck to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker.
And yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon
vehicles such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining
society with all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is
no penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred
to not make you a fuckwit now?

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
  and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the
spot and their cars crushed.

**You don't like reliable, economical and safe vehicles

Although it's impossible to be sure, I *think* Deryl was trying to be funny.
alvey

**Possibly. Since he owned a WRX, I can only assume he was trying to
suggest that he is a dickhead. Or was a dickhead and, by some kind of
magical process, he no longer is?

[Clocky]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies
to come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going
to carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for
many years. Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a
purpose that doesn't exist. My local shopping centre is full of the
things. They are EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with
the damned things. They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not
used for the alleged purpose they were designed for. One of the local
builders has a monster RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and
he takes his 10 Tonne truck to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he
is just a wanker. And yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking
huge boat.

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for
carrying HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon
vehicles such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining
society with all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is
no penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred
to not make you a fuckwit now?

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
  and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the
spot and their cars crushed.

**You don't like reliable, economical and safe vehicles

Although it's impossible to be sure, I *think* Deryl was trying to be funny.
alvey

**Possibly. Since he owned a WRX, I can only assume he was trying to
suggest that he is a dickhead. Or was a dickhead and, by some kind of
magical process, he no longer is?

He's always been a dickhead, which is why he bought a WRX. That's not to
say all WRX owners are dickheads, but Daryl is as dumb as a box of
hammers and probably the most naive person that's ever been part of this
group. So if the shoe fits...

[Xeno]

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the
crusher. Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies
to come and fix anything at your house or business, are they
going to carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on
Commodores and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most
of them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only
exception would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are
getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for
many years. Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a
purpose that doesn't exist. My local shopping centre is full of the
things. They are EMPTY. The local school pickup zone is clogged with
the damned things. They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not
used for the alleged purpose they were designed for. One of the
local builders has a monster RAM truck. It sits on the road most
days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck to work. Like most of the ute
buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he also has a Merc sedan. And
a fucking huge boat.

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for
carrying HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than
many of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon
vehicles such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining
society with all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is
no penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has
occurred to not make you a fuckwit now?

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
  and don't get me started on those evil grey import Jap

Post by Daryl
cars, they should be all banned and the dickheads who drive them
should be executed.

**Why? Jap cars are robust, reliable and generally cheap to run.

Fucking illegal dangerous junk, their owners should be shot on the
spot and their cars crushed.

**You don't like reliable, economical and safe vehicles

Although it's impossible to be sure, I *think* Deryl was trying to be funny.
alvey

**Possibly. Since he owned a WRX, I can only assume he was trying to
suggest that he is a dickhead. Or was a dickhead and, by some kind of
magical process, he no longer is?

He's always been a dickhead, which is why he bought a WRX. That's not to
say all WRX owners are dickheads, but Daryl is as dumb as a box of
hammers and probably the most naive person that's ever been part of this
group. So if the shoe fits...

Yup, worked his way down to *cleaner*, then failed at that!

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Did they, you obviously have zero experience with utes, I've never owned
an Aussie built ute but I did own a Falcon panelvan, basically the same
with a roof and my experience is that the 2 Hiluxes I owned shat all
over the Ford as work vehicles, much higher load capacity and very
significantly increased towing ability.
They were also much better built and more reliable, tradies only bought
Holden and Falcon utes because at the time there wasn't anything better,
now there is and they are vastly superior.

Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that

Post by Trevor Wilson
doesn't exist.

What do you call "monster utes"?
Hilux and Ranger are mostly used as work vehicles, if you look at Toyota
sales figures the best selling Hiluxes are the base model Workmates.

My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are

Post by Trevor Wilson
EMPTY.

Hey Superman your xray vision must be working well, how the hell would
you know whats in the tub of ute? Most of them have some sort of cover.

The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.

Post by Trevor Wilson
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for. One of the local builders has a monster
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck
to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he
also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

So what should he tow the boat with, a Corolla?
Maybe they should ban fishing?
Your fellow Communists at Yarra Council whose rubbish started this
thread are stating that the reason they want to increase parking fees
for heavy vehicles is that they are dangerous, they seem to be
conveniently forgetting that the heaviest vehicles per size are EV's,
for example the most popular Tesla is the Model X which weighs approx
2450kg, about 500kg heavier than ICE SUV's of the same size.
If they are going to charge for parking based on weight then EV owners
are going to be paying the most.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they buy
or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with
all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred to
not make you a fuckwit now?

We were smart enough to get rid of it, whats your excuse:-)
In case you haven't figured it out yet I was just being stupid to
demonstrate that you are also being stupid:-)

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars are
dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of them
are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception would be
the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

**Not my point. Tradies did perfectly well with such vehicles for many
years.

Did they, you obviously have zero experience with utes, I've never owned
an Aussie built ute but I did own a Falcon panelvan, basically the same
with a roof and my experience is that the 2 Hiluxes I owned shat all
over the Ford as work vehicles, much higher load capacity and very
significantly increased towing ability.
They were also much better built and more reliable, tradies only bought
Holden and Falcon utes because at the time there wasn't anything better,
now there is and they are vastly superior.
Modern, monster utes, for the most part, fulfill a purpose that

Post by Trevor Wilson
doesn't exist.

What do you call "monster utes"?
Hilux and Ranger are mostly used as work vehicles, if you look at Toyota
sales figures the best selling Hiluxes are the base model Workmates.
My local shopping centre is full of the things. They are

Post by Trevor Wilson
EMPTY.

Hey Superman your xray vision must be working well, how the hell would
you know whats in the tub of ute? Most of them have some sort of cover.
The local school pickup zone is clogged with the damned things.

Post by Trevor Wilson
They are EMPTY. For the most part, they are not used for the alleged
purpose they were designed for. One of the local builders has a monster
RAM truck. It sits on the road most days and he takes his 10 Tonne truck
to work. Like most of the ute buyers, he is just a wanker. And yes, he
also has a Merc sedan. And a fucking huge boat.

So what should he tow the boat with, a Corolla?
Maybe they should ban fishing?
Your fellow Communists at Yarra Council whose rubbish started this
thread are stating that the reason they want to increase parking fees
for heavy vehicles is that they are dangerous, they seem to be
conveniently forgetting that the heaviest vehicles per size are EV's,
for example the most popular Tesla is the Model X which weighs approx
2450kg, about 500kg heavier than ICE SUV's of the same size.
If they are going to charge for parking based on weight then EV owners
are going to be paying the most.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they buy
or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Next after we get rid of utes we should start crushing hoon vehicles
such as WRX's etc, those cunts of things are ruining society with
all their hooning

**Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.

Yeah but the cunts that drive turbo Subbies need to be dealt with
extra hard but they are usually fuckwits:-)

Hooning is already illegal and penalties can be severe. There is no
penalty for monster trucks masquerading as utes.
I should also add that you and your wife used to drive a Subaru WRX.
Does that make you fuckwits? What magical transformation has occurred to
not make you a fuckwit now?

We were smart enough to get rid of it, whats your excuse:-)
In case you haven't figured it out yet I was just being stupid to
demonstrate that you are also being stupid:-)

So, operating in your *natural state*, being *stupid*? Yeah, I can see
that! Comes naturally to you!

____
Xeno

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to
come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to
carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's not
surprising that they are no longer available. I know that there were a
couple of American attempts at something similar, but they were the
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for carrying
HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

The question is why a tradie who has been using a tray backed 2x4 HiLux
for years suddenly needs a 4x4 D-Max or Ranger.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they buy
or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do. I
suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies
to come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going
to carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's not
surprising that they are no longer available. I know that there were a
couple of American attempts at something similar, but they were the
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for
carrying HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

The question is why a tradie who has been using a tray backed 2x4 HiLux
for years suddenly needs a 4x4 D-Max or Ranger.

The question should be why do the manufacturers think that its cool to
make their 2WD utes look like 4WD's in that both are the same ride
height, many utes that look like 4WD's actually are 2WD.
The 2009 Hilux I used to own was a RWD dual cab turbo diesel with a
manual trans but the closest equivalent that they make now is a "high
rider" or some such other bullshit name, its still RWD only but it looks
like a 4WD.
My son's electrical business owns 3 Hiluxes, all single cab 2WD with
trays, at least with the base model they still come at a lower ride
height which are much better for working out of.

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do. I
suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

Nothing to do with advertising, the popularity of dual cab utes has a
everything to do with being FBT exempt if they have a load capacity of
more than 1 tonne.
They are also very practical, my grand kids both have motorbikes as do
many of their friends so their parents need something to transport them
to the track and a BMW M3 which is my son's other car is hardly suitable
for towing.
Like Trev you really don't know what people use their vehicles for, in
my experience of knowing many people who own utes is that they either
use them for towing or for work.
In my immediate area there are 32 properties, out of all the vehicles
there are only 4 utes that I know of, one is owned by a mobile mechanic,
another has Kennards Hire signage and the other 2 are private as far as
I can tell, since most houses have at least 2 cars 4 utes out of approx
64 vehicles is a low percentage.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's not
surprising that they are no longer available.

They're no longer available because like the sedans & wagons they were
based on their popularity declined in light of the more appealing
vehicles on offer in competition.

Post by Keithr0
I know that there were a couple of American attempts at something

similar, but they were the

Post by Keithr0
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in South
Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the exact same
vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes built in
Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's and given
"American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the locals called
them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux, the Triton or the
Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do.

ROTFL :)

How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other than
yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Post by Keithr0
I suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

They probably have in the past, but I'm not sure if that holds true today.

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most
of them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only
exception would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are
getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's
not surprising that they are no longer available.

They're no longer available because like the sedans & wagons they were
based on their popularity declined in light of the more appealing
vehicles on offer in competition.
 > I know that there were a couple of American attempts at something
similar, but they were the

Post by Keithr0
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in South
Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the exact same
vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes built in
Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's and given
"American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the locals called
them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux, the Triton or the
Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

I'm well acquainted with the term, there were 4 South Africans in the
group that I worked in in the late 90s. You say that exporting a few
utes to SA made them a world wide phenomena.

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do.

ROTFL :)
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other than
yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Probably the same was as you do.

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
I suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

They probably have in the past, but I'm not sure if that holds true today.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in
South Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the
exact same vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes
built in Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's
and given "American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the
locals called them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux,
the Triton or the Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

I'm well acquainted with the term, there were 4 South Africans in the
group that I worked in in the late 90s. You say that exporting a few
utes to SA made them a world wide phenomena.

WTF? Where did I say anything *remotely* like that? :)

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do.

ROTFL :)
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other
than yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Probably the same was as you do.

Who said I do? Certainly not me :)

For the record, I don't know, or *care* what anyone else does with the
vehicle they choose to buy, and the argument that vehicles have an
"intended purpose" is a complete and utter nonsense. The purpose of any
given vehicle is exactly what it's owner *wants* it to be, and why that
should be anyone else's business is nothing but a complete load of shit.

You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your
conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking the
piss :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in
South Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the
exact same vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes
built in Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's
and given "American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the
locals called them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux,
the Triton or the Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

I'm well acquainted with the term, there were 4 South Africans in the
group that I worked in in the late 90s. You say that exporting a few
utes to SA made them a world wide phenomena.

WTF? Where did I say anything *remotely* like that? :)

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories
rather than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now
the best option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the
manufacturers advertising, showing happy families heading off
through the bush, camping by mountain lakes, something that very few
will ever do.

ROTFL :)
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other
than yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Probably the same was as you do.

Who said I do? Certainly not me :)
For the record, I don't know, or *care* what anyone else does with the
vehicle they choose to buy, and the argument that vehicles have an
"intended purpose" is a complete and utter nonsense. The purpose of any
given vehicle is exactly what it's owner *wants* it to be, and why that
should be anyone else's business is nothing but a complete load of shit.

Well, your vehicle is quite clearly a penile prosthetic and that is
quite clearly what *you* want it to be.

Post by Noddy
You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your
conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking the
piss :)

[Keithr0]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in

South Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the exact
same vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes built in
Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's and given
"American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the locals called
them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux, the Triton or the
Ranger.
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

I'm well acquainted with the term, there were 4 South Africans in

the group that I worked in in the late 90s. You say that exporting a few
utes to SA made them a world wide phenomena.

WTF? Where did I say anything *remotely* like that? 🙂

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what

they buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories

rather than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the
best option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the
manufacturers advertising, showing happy families heading off through
the bush, camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do.

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
ROTFL 🙂
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other

than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂

Post by Keithr0
Probably the same was as you do.

Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂

I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

For the record, I don't know, or *care* what anyone else does with

the vehicle they choose to buy, and the argument that vehicles have an
"intended purpose" is a complete and utter nonsense. The purpose of any
given vehicle is exactly what it's owner *wants* it to be, and why that
should be anyone else's business is nothing but a complete load of shit.

You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your

conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking the
piss 🙂

ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far out
even for you, I drive it because it's a really nice drive and I like
fresh air. I could drive a big ute like a lot of the posers around here
but I prefer not to.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other

than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂

Post by Keithr0
Probably the same was as you do.

Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂

I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences, or to a significantly lesser degree, about about specific
circumstances relating to other people's vehicles that I've been
actively involved with. Outside of that I have no idea why people buy
what they do and what they do with it, and nor is it any of my business.

Post by Keithr0

You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your

conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking the
piss 🙂
ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far out
even for you,

Is it really? :)

Post by Keithr0
I drive it because it's a really nice drive and I like
fresh air. I could drive a big ute like a lot of the posers around here
but I prefer not to.

Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you know
why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look foolish and
insecure.

<shrug>

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own

Hang about! As a *proven liar*, you cannot speak with authority on *any
topic* be they your own *imagined experiences* or the real world
experiences of others.

Post by Noddy
experiences, or to a significantly lesser degree, about about specific
circumstances relating to other people's vehicles that I've been
actively involved with. Outside of that I have no idea why people buy
what they do and what they do with it, and nor is it any of my business.

Hmmm, you make a huge deal of what others drive - eg. Toyota Corollas,
Mazda MX5, et al so it seems you do make it your business.

Post by Noddy

 > You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your
conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking
the piss 🙂
ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far out
even for you,

Is it really? :)

Yes, even for you! And you're about as far out as one could get.

Post by Noddy
 > I drive it because it's a really nice drive and I like

fresh air. I could drive a big ute like a lot of the posers around
here but I prefer not to.

Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you know
why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look foolish and
insecure.

Well, I *know* you drive your ute as a poseur vehicle. Why would you use
it to run your kid to school or for your daily trip to the coffee shop
if not in order to *pose*?

Post by Noddy
<shrug>

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences, or to a significantly lesser degree, about about specific
circumstances relating to other people's vehicles that I've been
actively involved with. Outside of that I have no idea why people buy
what they do and what they do with it, and nor is it any of my business.

Hmm, not everybody would agree with that.

Post by Noddy

 > You have no idea what anyone does with their vehicles and form your
conclusions based on what you see for a few seconds at traffic lights,
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking
the piss 🙂
ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far out
even for you,

Is it really? :)

yep.

Post by Noddy
 > I drive it because it's a really nice drive and I like

fresh air. I could drive a big ute like a lot of the posers around
here but I prefer not to.

Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you know
why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look foolish and
insecure.
<shrug>

Whatevs. I don't have the time to continue, going on holiday tomorrow,
see you after Easter.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences, or to a significantly lesser degree, about about specific
circumstances relating to other people's vehicles that I've been
actively involved with. Outside of that I have no idea why people buy
what they do and what they do with it, and nor is it any of my business.

Hmm, not everybody would agree with that.

People can agree or not as they see fit but the reality is that while I
may comment about what people choose to drive from a piss taking
perspective, what they choose to own is *their* business and you won't
ever see me claim that their use is unjustified or not for the "intended
purpose".

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far
out even for you,

Is it really? :)

yep.

Who didn't see that coming? :)

Personally I think an MX-5 is a completely useless vehicle that serves
no purpose other than to be something for people to be seen in, but then
you probably think the same thing about dual cab utes.

That's how freedom of choice works, right? We don't all have to do and
like the same things. The difference between us however, is that I
couldn't care less if I have to share the road with you :)

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you
know why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look
foolish and insecure.
<shrug>

Whatevs. I don't have the time to continue, going on holiday tomorrow,
see you after Easter.

Enjoy. How many tonnes of environmental destruction are you pumping into
the atmosphere this time around? :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences, or to a significantly lesser degree, about about
specific circumstances relating to other people's vehicles that I've
been actively involved with. Outside of that I have no idea why
people buy what they do and what they do with it, and nor is it any
of my business.

Hmm, not everybody would agree with that.

People can agree or not as they see fit but the reality is that while I
may comment about what people choose to drive from a piss taking
perspective, what they choose to own is *their* business and you won't
ever see me claim that their use is unjustified or not for the "intended
purpose".

Guaranteed, over the past 2 decades and more of aus.cars, there'll be
scads of posts from you that will put the lie to that comment of yours!

Lying comes naturally to you, eh Darren?

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

ROTFL! A 33 year old MX5 as a fashion accessory, that's pretty far
out even for you,

Is it really? :)

yep.

Who didn't see that coming? :)

You, obviously!

Post by Noddy
Personally I think an MX-5 is a completely useless vehicle that serves
no purpose other than to be something for people to be seen in, but then

Ah, here's your true colours coming out. For a start, the MX5 serves the
purpose intended by its manufacturer - convey two people and their
luggage with the added abilities of better handling and braking, the
ability to put the roof down - and just being able to enjoy motoring.
Given the sales of the MX5, I'd say it was spectacularly successful.

Post by Noddy
you probably think the same thing about dual cab utes.

I doubt it. The dual cab utes were designed for a purpose - to convey a
crew of workers, their tools and materials and be able to tow a sizeable
trailer. Some need the 4x4 facility, some do not. Your Ranger hardly
fulfills the purpose it was designed for. FFS, have you even had it in a
serious 4x4 environment yet. No, your backyard doesn't count.

Interesting factoid, Toyota first introduced the Hilux as a double cab
(or crew cab as we called it) way back in 1981. But I was hacking around
in Hilux double cab utes as far back as 1976, though they may have been
around prior to then. These units were modified single cab Hiluxes with
a locally (WA) manufactured cab rear section grafted on. The reason we
called these units crew cabs was precisely because they needed to cart
around a work crew as well as tools and parts. Spent countless hours
going from site to site in one of these dual cab Hiluxes, especially
when I was working with the Shovel Breakdown crew at Newman.

Post by Noddy
That's how freedom of choice works, right? We don't all have to do and
like the same things. The difference between us however, is that I
couldn't care less if I have to share the road with you :)

Yeah but the MX5 takes up minimal space on the road - your poseur truck
takes up way more by comparison - and it's still only carting you and,
on occasion, one other person in that 5 seat cabin. You're not running a
business, well, not a legitimate one anyway, and you don't have a crew
of workers to haul, so your choice of vehicle is way overkill for your
needs - except perhaps the needs of your overinflated ego. Man, does
that ever need massaging, positive strokes, and all that!

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you
know why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look
foolish and insecure.
<shrug>

Whatevs. I don't have the time to continue, going on holiday tomorrow,
see you after Easter.

Enjoy. How many tonnes of environmental destruction are you pumping into
the atmosphere this time around? :)

And yet, here we are again, having a go at someone else's choice of
travel mode. You just can't help yourself, can you? Seems like
criticising the choices of others has become an integral part of your
psyche.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy
People can agree or not as they see fit but the reality is that while I
may comment about what people choose to drive from a piss taking
perspective, what they choose to own is *their* business and you won't
ever see me claim that their use is unjustified or not for the "intended
purpose".

I doubt whether a combined Rosetta Stone & Babel fish could convert that
to comprehensible English.


alvey

[Calvin]

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences,

Errr big problem there Fraudster. Just about all of your "experiences"
are total fabrications.


alvey
Recalling pml over his drag racing "experience".

[Xeno]

Post by Calvin

Post by Noddy

 >>> How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone
other than yourself uses their vehicle for? 🙂
 >>
 >> Probably the same was as you do.
 >
 > Who said I do? Certainly not me 🙂
I know that you don't say that you do, but that doesn't mean that you don't.

Bullshit Keith :) I can only speak with authority about my own
experiences,

Errr big problem there Fraudster. Just about all of your "experiences"
are total fabrications.
alvey
Recalling pml over his drag racing "experience".

I like his motor trade experience - in a business that never existed
anywhere except in his own imagination - just like his apprenticeships
(plural) and trade qualifications.

It's sad indeed to see such an insecure grown man carry on as Darren
does. Embarrassing even!

[Itsken]

Post by Noddy
Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you know
why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look foolish and
insecure.

Major LOL (and loud snorting)

You are *such* a dazzlingly hypocritical buffoon Fraudster! If I had a
dollar for every time you sneered about why I chose my rides I'd be able
to buy a couple of cases of decent champagne.



alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Itsken

Post by Noddy
Why you drive what *you* want to is your business, but thinking you
know why *other* people drive what *they* do just makes you look
foolish and insecure.

Major LOL (and loud snorting)
You are *such* a dazzlingly hypocritical buffoon Fraudster! If I had a
dollar for every time you sneered about why I chose my rides I'd be able
to buy a couple of cases of decent champagne.

Not to forget his *constant* denigration of Toyotas. The sales figures
alone of Toyota vehicles makes him look a total buffoon.

Post by Itsken
alvey

[JamesB]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy
"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in
South Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the
exact same vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes
built in Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's
and given "American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the
locals called them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux,
the Triton or the Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

I'm well acquainted with the term, there were 4 South Africans in the
group that I worked in in the late 90s. You say that exporting a few
utes to SA made them a world wide phenomena.

WTF? Where did I say anything *remotely* like that? :)

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories
rather than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now
the best option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the
manufacturers advertising, showing happy families heading off
through the bush, camping by mountain lakes, something that very few
will ever do.

ROTFL :)
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other
than yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Probably the same was as you do.

Who said I do? Certainly not me :)
For the record, I don't know, or *care* what anyone else does with the
vehicle they choose to buy,

Yet you've made a truckload of posts sneering and denigrating others
choice of transport. So the above is just another belch of Fraudster
hypocrisy.

Post by Noddy
and to be brutally honest anyone who owns an MX5 claiming that other
people buy cars as "fashion accessories" is doing nothing but taking the
piss :)

Your volume of posts is way down on your glory days, but I'm pretty
confident that your %age of Really Stupid Statements has increased.

Incomprehensible and unrecognised by you, a significant clump of the
population actually enjoy driving and are often pretty good at it. Given
your dismal vehicle ownership history and (claimed) catalogue of crashes
you, very clearly, are neither of these. Therefore you are, once again,
completely unqualified to differentiated between "fashion accessory" and
"having some fun".

Buffoon.


alvey

[Noddy]

How many times do you need to be told that you're nothing but an
irrelevant little whiny cunt before it actually registers with you?

You're not part of this group, and you never have been. Do everyone a
favour and just fuck off....




--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy
How many times do you need to be told that you're nothing but an
irrelevant little whiny cunt before it actually registers with you?

Ah Noddy, your self-induced blowback is really starting to get to you, eh?

How many times do you need to be told you're a liar, a blowhard, and an
upjumped little bully?

Post by Noddy
You're not part of this group, and you never have been. Do everyone a
favour and just fuck off....

Ahem, Darren, *anyone* who posts here *automatically* becomes part of
this group. You don't get to be the arbiter of who is or isn't a member
of the group. It's a *public forum* FFS, open to all and sundry, even
you. As such, it isn't within your remit to tell posters to leave. If
you don't like your lies, bullshit stories and self aggrandising claims
being *exposed* for the bullshit they are, best you shuffle off and
leave this forum for the *public* to enjoy.

Post by Noddy
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy
How many times do you need to be told that you're nothing but an
irrelevant little whiny cunt before it actually registers with you?

Pointing out your lies, hypocrisy and stupidity etc. *is* relevant to
this group.

Post by Noddy
You're not part of this group, and you never have been. Do everyone a
favour and just fuck off....

You don't have any authority here Sheriff Blowhard O'Mesa and if you
don't like it here you're as free to leave as anyone is free to post in
this public group.

[Clemmie]

Post by Noddy
How many times do you need to be told that you're nothing but an
irrelevant little whiny cunt before it actually registers with you?
You're not part of this group, and you never have been. Do everyone a
favour and just fuck off....

lol.
Monster trucks, monster dummy spit by The Fraud.

As you've told others a zillion times Fraudster, "If you don't like it,
feel free to fuck off".

Off you go then.



alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Clemmie

Post by Noddy
How many times do you need to be told that you're nothing but an
irrelevant little whiny cunt before it actually registers with you?
You're not part of this group, and you never have been. Do everyone a
favour and just fuck off....

lol.
Monster trucks, monster dummy spit by The Fraud.
As you've told others a zillion times Fraudster, "If you don't like it,
feel free to fuck off".
Off you go then.

If only!

Post by Clemmie
alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Daryl
I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most
of them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only
exception would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are
getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's
not surprising that they are no longer available.

They're no longer available because like the sedans & wagons they were
based on their popularity declined in light of the more appealing
vehicles on offer in competition.
 > I know that there were a couple of American attempts at something
similar, but they were the

Post by Keithr0
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

"Ute" is as much a specifically Australian term as "Bakkie" is in South
Africa, and in fact the two terms were used to describe the exact same
vehicle in different countries. Both Holden and Ford utes built in
Australia were exported to South Africa in the 60's and 70's and given
"American" names like "El Camino" and "Ranchero", but the locals called
them "Bakkies" just like they do today with the Hilux, the Triton or the
Ranger.

Post by Keithr0
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-the-humble-falcon-ute-became-a-ford-ranchero/

An Australian built XA Falcon ute sold new in SA as a "Ranchero".

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do.

ROTFL :)
How the hell would you have the *slightest* idea what anyone other than
yourself uses their vehicle for? :)

Well, for a start, you could look at registration types. It's a fair bet
a commercially registered ute would be used for *work*. Company
registered vehicles, another way of checking, especially now that log
books must be kept thanks to the FBT, are likely to be used for work.

At least the toll companies make you ute drivers pay through the nose at
*light commercial rates* (LCV) regardless of the reg. type. You get to
pay LCV rates *all the time*, not even a discount for weekends so even
the weekend warriors get stung. ;-)
Now, if you had been less of a wanker (yeah, I know, difficult for you),
a trailer attached to a car travels for car rates, inc. weekend
discounts. The advantage, you can drive around all day long in the
comfort of a sedan and only ever attach the trailer when it's needed to
cart your *stuff*. Bonus, eh? Of course that wouldn't address your dire
need to have people think you have big balls but, them's the breaks! ;-)

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
I suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

They probably have in the past, but I'm not sure if that holds true today.

If you aren't sure/don't know, why make the comment?

[Xeno]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies
to come and fix anything at your house or business, are they going
to carry their tools on their backs.

**Bullshit. For decades tradies used real utes, based on Commodores
and Falcons with enormous success.

I don't know what rock you are hiding under but utes based on cars
are dinosaurs that you can no longer buy, generally speaking most of
them are less fuel efficient than modern Jap utes, only exception
would be the older utes than ran on LPG and those are getting rare.

The Aussie ute was something that only really existed here. Now that
there are no more vehicles specially made for the local market, it's not
surprising that they are no longer available. I know that there were a
couple of American attempts at something similar, but they were the
exception, most overseas utes were/are really small trucks, in fact
almost everywhere other than here they are pickup trucks.

Pretty much!

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
  My local plumber seems very happy with

Post by Trevor Wilson
the carrying capacity and functionality of his Hi-Ace. My local
builder uses a proper truck, rather than a pretend one, for
carrying HUGE loads.

Both the Hiace and "proper truck" are as big if not bigger than many
of the common utes.

The question is why a tradie who has been using a tray backed 2x4 HiLux
for years suddenly needs a 4x4 D-Max or Ranger.

My neighbour opposite has a 4x4 Hilux but, as a landscaper, I daresay he
could justify a 4x4. For most tradies, a 2x4 would be more than adequate
and, at that, would be easier to load stuff over the side as they are
lower than a typical 4x4 ute. I recently saw a 2x4 Navara ute recently
and was surprised at how low it was compared to the hulker 4x4 utes. And
then the wanker jack up the suspensions on their 4x4 utes by 2-4 inches,
sometimes more. FFS, it's hard enough to even climb into those much less
toss gear over the sides. Darren would really be knackered if he jacked
his Ranger up more than it already is. He had to *slide* into the front
seat of his Navara as it was. What's more, the jacking makes the 4x4
much less suitable for highway cruising - stability issues and all that!

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Correct, but they are fit for purpose. Most utes are not used for
their original design intent. They are just used for shopping of
collecting the kids from school.

Utter bullshit, you have no way of knowing why people buy what they
buy or what they use them for, you are just being a wanker.

A large proportion of utes on the road are fashion accessories rather
than work vehicles, it seems like a dual cab 4x4 ute is now the best

Fashion accessory or penis extender. Or both. Darren has a pretend
business so his Ranger is a pretend work ute serving most of its life
running his kid to school or himself to the coffee shop. Funny thing,
most of the time a trailer of modest size would better serve the
function most of these wanker utes are put to.

Post by Keithr0
option as a family car. The perception is pushed by the manufacturers
advertising, showing happy families heading off through the bush,
camping by mountain lakes, something that very few will ever do. I

Most of those people will not dare venture off the blacktop.

Post by Keithr0
suspect that the manufacturers made a much bigger profit on such a
vehicle than on a family car or wagon.

Don't forget the aftermarket industry with all those warranty voiding
off road accessories.

[KennyB]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey

Post by Peter Jason
https://tinyurl.com/2bomkx5m
Yeah man, this is a breath of fresh air.
For too long have these eka war machines clogged the roads and parking
spaces.
These oozing-testosterone wagons are one up on the "Pajeros", another
road blocker driven by Frigid Midgets with Rigid Digits, to the angst
of all other drivers.
Tax 'em to hell..!

Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

After we get rid if all the diesel utes don't expect any tradies to come
and fix anything at your house or business, are they going to carry
their tools on their backs.

No, they'll probably be driving something that's actually designed for
them rather than for middle-aged & elderly men who are trying to wind
back the clock to pretend to be something that they never were. A *real*
tradie wants something that they can easily access from three sides.
Even at his maximum claimed height your loathsome little mate would
probably have to use a ladder to reach over the side of the tub. And get
in and out of the stupid things cabin.

"Imbecile"


alvey

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

ROTFL :)

'course you can't :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

ROTFL :)
'course you can't :)

Well, well, well, who said you were incapable of learning?

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
Nope. That's way too lenient. I'd have 'em put into the crusher.
Ideally with their mouth-breathing owners locked inside.
alvey

**Can't argue with that idea.

ROTFL :)
'course you can't :)

Sez the inarticulate bogan who hasn't typed a single word of argument.

Buffoon.


alvey