MG steering question

[Mighty Mouse]

while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu on
the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering, namely
Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button alter the
steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I know I can
google, but it's more fun to start another argument.. err.. I mean..
discussion thread)  :)

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu on
the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering, namely
Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button alter the
steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I know I can
google, but it's more fun to start another argument.. err.. I mean..
discussion thread)  :)

Such systems are common on many cars these days, and the effectiveness
depends largely on the make and model. Generally the only thing such
systems do is add "weight" to the steering by way of varying the level
of power assistance.

In some cars the difference is four fifths of five eighths of fuck all,
and in others it's quite pronounced. Cars with a performance bias tend
to have more effective systems compared to "appliances" like yours where
the only thing remotely "sporty" is the paint colour. On the other hand,
some cars don't have individual steering modes, but have "drive" modes
instead where things like steering, suspension, throttle and gear ratio
control is altered.

In some cars it's a valid tool, and in some it's a wank. I'll leave you
to discover which one yours is :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu
on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering,
namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button
alter the steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I know
I can google, but it's more fun to start another argument.. err.. I
mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Such systems are common on many cars these days, and the effectiveness
depends largely on the make and model. Generally the only thing such
systems do is add "weight" to the steering by way of varying the level
of power assistance.
In some cars the difference is four fifths of five eighths of fuck all,
and in others it's quite pronounced. Cars with a performance bias tend
to have more effective systems compared to "appliances" like yours where
the only thing remotely "sporty" is the paint colour. On the other hand,
some cars don't have individual steering modes, but have "drive" modes
instead where things like steering, suspension, throttle and gear ratio
control is altered.
In some cars it's a valid tool, and in some it's a wank. I'll leave you
to discover which one yours is :)

It's a definite wank on your wankermobile!

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu
on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering,
namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button
alter the steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I
know I can google, but it's more fun to start another argument..
err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Such systems are common on many cars these days, and the effectiveness
depends largely on the make and model. Generally the only thing such
systems do is add "weight" to the steering by way of varying the level
of power assistance.
In some cars the difference is four fifths of five eighths of fuck
all, and in others it's quite pronounced. Cars with a performance bias
tend to have more effective systems compared to "appliances" like
yours where the only thing remotely "sporty" is the paint colour. On
the other hand, some cars don't have individual steering modes, but
have "drive" modes instead where things like steering, suspension,
throttle and gear ratio control is altered.
In some cars it's a valid tool, and in some it's a wank. I'll leave
you to discover which one yours is :)

It's a definite wank on your wankermobile!

Rubbish!

While I've never sat in a Ford Ranger (Franga), and I don't read any
motoring magazines, I can state with *absolute* authority that the modes
on the Franga are incredibly useful. For ignorant fukwits like Felix
they are;

F) Spread Fertilizer (horseshit is its specialty)
T) Take trash to the Tip
P) Maximises Ploughing efficiency
R) Guarantees that you'll Roll at the next corner

Anybody who doesn't know this is a ridiculously dumb cunt and wouldn't
know which end of a hammer was up their arse even if I demonstrated on
myself first. A few of times even.


hth


alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu on
the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering, namely
Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button alter the
steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I know I can
google, but it's more fun to start another argument.. err.. I mean..
discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing that
your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power steering. That,
along with various sensors and electronic control, can give you almost
infinite levels of steering assistance depending on your needs and the
road conditions.

A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most pressure
with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in parking situations,
your steering is *heavy* but the engine is idling therefore producing
less hydraulic pressure to provide adequate assistance. At high speed,
high engine RPM, you don't need so much assistance. Manufacturers have
various means by which they accommodate these disparate requirements.
For instance, steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a
mechanical function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.

With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from the
battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even when the
engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering makes it easy
to dial down the assistance when much less is required. Since no power
is being used when not turning, there is a fuel savings factor as well.

You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow speed
whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level. Just guessing
but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving *style*. For
instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to the steering or
more assist if you rotate the steering wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to
incorporate suitable sensors for the purpose, like a magnetic torque
sensor sans clockspring in the steering column, and the car will already
have *wheel speed sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road
speed. It would not surprise me that the power steering system can learn
your driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time
as it provides higher levels of assistance.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu
on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering,
namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button
alter the steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I
know I can google, but it's more fun to start another argument..
err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power steering.
That, along with various sensors and electronic control, can give you
almost infinite levels of steering assistance depending on your needs
and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most pressure
with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in parking
situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is idling
therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide adequate
assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need so much
assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they accommodate
these disparate requirements. For instance, steering assistance in
hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of the rotary valve
characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even when
the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering makes it
easy to dial down the assistance when much less is required. Since no
power is being used when not turning, there is a fuel savings factor
as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow speed
whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level. Just
guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to the
steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel *quickly*.
Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the purpose, like a
magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the steering column, and
the car will already have *wheel speed sensors* that will enable the
BCM to determine road speed. It would not surprise me that the power
steering system can learn your driving style and improve the steering
smoothness at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a
menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start another
argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power steering.
That, along with various sensors and electronic control, can give you
almost infinite levels of steering assistance depending on your needs
and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in parking
situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is idling
therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide adequate
assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need so much
assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even when
the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering makes
it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is required. Since
no power is being used when not turning, there is a fuel savings
factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow speed
whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level. Just
guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to the
steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel *quickly*.
Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the purpose, like a
magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the steering column, and
the car will already have *wheel speed sensors* that will enable the
BCM to determine road speed. It would not surprise me that the power
steering system can learn your driving style and improve the steering
smoothness at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..

"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way. All
versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban, Normal
and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete control
over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and quicker
response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is designed to
increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping effect and
increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle speeds. The
Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s tailored suspension
set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers who want to maintain a
consistent ride"

https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack

won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip. cars
have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)

and who can remember these? .. Loading Image...

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a
menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start another
argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power steering.
That, along with various sensors and electronic control, can give
you almost infinite levels of steering assistance depending on your
needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need
so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even when
the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering makes
it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is required.
Since no power is being used when not turning, there is a fuel
savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level. Just
guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to
the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel
*quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the
purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed sensors*
that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It would not
surprise me that the power steering system can learn your driving
style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time as it
provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way. All
versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban, Normal
and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete control
over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and quicker
response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is designed
to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping effect and
increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle speeds. The
Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s tailored
suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers who want
to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip. cars
have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those indicators,
or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the window, and
gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or turning right.
there was no way to indicate turning left unless you had a passenger.

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a
menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start another
argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power steering.
That, along with various sensors and electronic control, can give
you almost infinite levels of steering assistance depending on your
needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need
so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even when
the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering makes
it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is required.
Since no power is being used when not turning, there is a fuel
savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level. Just
guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to
the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel
*quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the
purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed sensors*
that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It would not
surprise me that the power steering system can learn your driving
style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time as it
provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way. All
versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban, Normal
and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete control
over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and quicker
response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is designed
to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping effect and
increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle speeds. The
Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s tailored
suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers who want
to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip. cars
have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those indicators,
or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the window, and
gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or turning right.
there was no way to indicate turning left unless you had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which
they accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance,
steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical
function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less
is required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there
is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your
driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more
force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering
wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for
the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It
would not surprise me that the power steering system can learn
your driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same
time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for
drivers who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..

https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1

https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1

https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not ranked
very highly.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not ranked
very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

$65k is the *asking price*. It is likely that any sale price will be
substantially less than that. Some of the owners of these relatively
common cars seem to think they can get back what they put into any
restoration work. I have news for them and it's all bad!

[Clocky]

Post by Xeno

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

$65k is the *asking price*. It is likely that any sale price will be
substantially less than that. Some of the owners of these relatively
common cars seem to think they can get back what they put into any
restoration work. I have news for them and it's all bad!

Even in the UK where they love these shitboxes you would be lucky to get
$10k for a split screen Minor. Asking price means nothing, only selling
price does - and $65k isn't even remotely realistic.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

Probably some guy selling the thing because his wife told him to, and
he's looking like he's complying :)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

Probably some guy selling the thing because his wife told him to, and
he's looking like he's complying :)

LOL, very possible:-)

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

it's a ute ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/

all offerings ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=(C.Make.Morris._.Model.Minor.)

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

it's a ute ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/

Emminently more desirable than the sedan. Don't think the twin SUs were
a standard fitment on those! ;-)

Post by Mighty Mouse
all offerings ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=(C.Make.Morris._.Model.Minor.)

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

it's a ute ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/

Emminently more desirable than the sedan. Don't think the twin SUs
were a standard fitment on those!  ;-)

same setup I had on the Sprite ..
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possibly even the same motor?

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
all offerings ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/?q=(C.Make.Morris._.Model.Minor.)

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.

It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in many
British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini Minors, to
small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a handful of
small commercial vehicles.

It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in production
for almost 50 years.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Let's go with fast Googler. Unlike Darren, I used to work on all these
cars when they were near new.

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars. But I especially know
a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area of
speciality for a number of years. I've had *many* Mini's, and have done
just about everything you can ever do with one.

If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread where
I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked Mini
engines :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars. But I especially know
a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area of
speciality for a number of years. I've had *many* Mini's, and have done
just about everything you can ever do with one.
If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread where
I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked Mini
engines :)

Oh, you were a fast Googler back then too?

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars.

Lol! What a modest person you aren't. Anyhoo, if you know so much about
cars Fraudster, it's incongrous that you've never had a decent one.

Post by Noddy
But I especially know a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area of
speciality for a number of years.

My Bullshit Alarm just rang so violently that it shook itself off the wall.

Post by Noddy
I've had *many* Mini's, and have done
just about everything you can ever do with one.

Course you have Fraudster. No one in the world could possibly top you.

Post by Noddy
If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread where
I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked Mini
engines

Again Buffo, do some work yourself.



alvey
Wondering why Fraudster is yeeharing about "making Ozone looking like a
fucking idiot" when he made that claim several times a day back in those
days?

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars.

Sure you do Mr. "All Imperial Jeep" you laughable halfwit :-)

But I especially know

Post by Noddy
a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area of
speciality for a number of years.

Was that in the same dream where you were qualified?

I've had *many* Mini's, and have done

Post by Noddy
just about everything you can ever do with one.

oh, was that what you were doing under your Mum's carport... aka
"running a business".

Post by Noddy
If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread where
I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked Mini
engines :)

Ozone had it over you for sure, handed you your arse countless times.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and
a handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars.

Sure you do Mr. "All Imperial Jeep" you laughable halfwit :-)
 But I especially know

Post by Noddy
a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area
of speciality for a number of years.

Was that in the same dream where you were qualified?
 I've had *many* Mini's, and have done

Post by Noddy
just about everything you can ever do with one.

oh, was that what you were doing under your Mum's carport... aka
"running a business".

in between 'fixing more exotic cars than you can throw a stick at'

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy
If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread
where I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked
Mini engines :)

Ozone had it over you for sure, handed you your arse countless times.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

Unlike your mental mate, I know a lot about cars. But I especially know
a lot about these things, or at least I used to, as they were my area of
speciality for a number of years. I've had *many* Mini's, and have done
just about everything you can ever do with one.
If you want to amuse yourself about that, then look up the thread where
I made Ozone look like a fucking idiot when it came to worked Mini
engines :)

LOL, those were the days:-)
A lot of older mechanics spent lots of time working on cars with those
engines, I owned a 1965 MK3 Sprite and quite a few friends owned similar
cars, wife's brother bought a new MG Midget.
Wife owned a MK1 Austin 1800 so pretty familiar with those 2, BIL and
myself had a side job wrecking Austin 1800's which was a good earner, he
worked in spare parts at Kellow Faulkner so he had lots of contacts.
I still have the factory Sprite and Austin 1800 workshop manuals plus
some original sales brochures for Sprite and MG Midget.

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

A version of.
It's what's known as the BMC "A Series" engine, and it was used in
many British vehicles from Austin A30's, to Morry Minors, to Mini
Minors, to small Healeys, MG Midgets, Mini Coopers, Mini Mokes and a
handful of small commercial vehicles.
It came in capacities ranging from 800 to 1275cc, and was in
production for almost 50 years.

either you know a lot about cars, or you're a fast googler

He's a Googler. He can't remember his own height and that he had
diabetes... you reckon he's going to remember that sort of detail?

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

it's a ute ..
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/

Emminently more desirable than the sedan. Don't think the twin SUs
were a standard fitment on those!  ;-)

same setup I had on the Sprite ..
https://auslink.info/pics/sprite_engine.jpg
possibly even the same motor?

Well, they both used the BMC A Series engine. Likely the Sprite ran a
different cam, higher compression ratio head and, of course, the twin
carb setup. Some time in the life of the Sprite (early 60s?) they used a
long stroke 1098 engine though I'm not sure if this change carried over
to the Minor 1000. One thing I remember of the Morris Minor - any
variant - was that they weren't fast.

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl
The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

What for?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl
The highest asking price for a Morris Minor on carsales.com.au is
$65,000, the next most expensive is $32,500 and the rest is down from there.
I think $65k is insane and it would have to be something extremely
special to be worth anything like that much.

why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)

Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't talk
about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?

Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't talk
about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Well, your attempt to butt in has *downgraded the discussion* no end.
You can't help yourself, can you? You just have to destroy any
discussion unless you're controlling it and are the focus of attention.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Well, your attempt to butt in has *downgraded the discussion* no end.
You can't help yourself, can you? You just have to destroy any
discussion unless you're controlling it and are the focus of attention.

yep. bogan does as bogan is

[jonz]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Well, your attempt to butt in has *downgraded the discussion* no end.
You can't help yourself, can you? You just have to destroy any
discussion unless you're controlling it and are the focus of attention.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Butt in?, *you* accusing someone of *butting in?*. What a joke!. That is
all you`ve *ever* done. And the same is happening here.

    Especially if it has *anything* to do with *certain ppl*. Nothing
to add (except childish *no you`s*)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't talk
about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

Yeah, I think that cockhead is away with the fairies. There is nothing
"extremely rare" about a Morry Ute, and he'll be waiting a hell of a
long time before someone shows any interest in handing over that kind of
coin for his :)

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

Yeah, I think that cockhead is away with the fairies. There is nothing
"extremely rare" about a Morry Ute, and he'll be waiting a hell of a
long time before someone shows any interest in handing over that kind of
coin for his :)

"Tell him he's dreaming" :-)

My guess is that it would be worth about half of his asking price if he
was lucky.
Mate still has his dads Austin 1800 that was bought new in 1967, it has
won dozens of concourse trophies over the years, can't imagine him ever
selling it but if he did he could ask a very high price and probably get
it mostly because of its documented history which is very well known in
British car club circles.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you learned?
How has the "discussion" been improved?

Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

I knew you were slow... Felix already produced that link. It's what he
and I were discussing. Lucky you got out of the trade early, could have
been seriously embarrassing for you!

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding behind a
killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably like
most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck
about anything you have to say.

Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding behind
a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably like
most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck
about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Darren, you're a perfect example of a total lack of conversational
skills. When the conversation doesn't go your way, or you aren't leading
it, you attack all the other conversationalists. No wonder discussions
here have shrunk to an all time low.

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding
behind a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably
like most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying
fuck about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Darren, you're a perfect example of a total lack of conversational
skills. When the conversation doesn't go your way, or you aren't leading
it, you attack all the other conversationalists. No wonder discussions
here have shrunk to an all time low.

"low" is variable if Fraudster is measuring it...



alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding
behind a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably
like most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying
fuck about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Darren, you're a perfect example of a total lack of conversational
skills. When the conversation doesn't go your way, or you aren't
leading it, you attack all the other conversationalists. No wonder
discussions here have shrunk to an all time low.

yep!

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding behind
a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably like
most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck
about anything you have to say.

I've lost count of Buffo's recent own goals. Must be pushing 50 by now...



alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding behind
a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably like
most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck
about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Yet here you are butting in for no other reason than you not being the
centre of attention and the focal point of discussion - so you come in
and wreck it by posting grandiose bullshit and by attacking people.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/
SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding
behind a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably
like most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying
fuck about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Yet here you are butting in for no other reason than you not being the
centre of attention and the focal point of discussion - so you come in
and wreck it by posting grandiose bullshit and by attacking people.

[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of
thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and
then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Matt. 7 Verses 3 to 5

Even the Bible thinks that you are a hypocrite.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/
SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding
behind a killfile.

I don't know if he has you plonked or not Felix, but he's probably
like most other people here in that he doesn't seem to give a flying
fuck about anything you have to say.
Such is the compelling nature of your conversational skills :)

Yet here you are butting in for no other reason than you not being the
centre of attention and the focal point of discussion - so you come in
and wreck it by posting grandiose bullshit and by attacking people.

[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of
thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and
then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Matt. 7 Verses 3 to 5
Even the Bible thinks that you are a hypocrite.

ROTFL.

[jonz]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix? You can't
talk about something unless someone shows you a pretty picture?
Let me ask you. Now that you've seen the pics, what have you
learned? How has the "discussion" been improved?

Just for Felix, wouldn't want him to strain himself:-)
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1957-morris-minor-manual/SSE-AD-14696270/?

already posted links. you would know this if you weren't hiding behind
a killfile.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Would he?, Since when did perusing yer crap become compulsory??. Get
over yourself!.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix?

Major lol there.

The only aspect of 'discussion' which you and most of the other DATEs
are aware of Buffo is how to run squealing away from it as soon as you
get exposed as bumbling mouth-breathers. You're a sad little bunch.


hth



alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
why didn't you post the links?

What for?

discussion.. the thing you have no understanding of.

ROTFL :)
Is that the limit of your discussion capabilities, Felix?

Major lol there.
The only aspect of 'discussion' which you and most of the other DATEs
are aware of Buffo is how to run squealing away from it as soon as you
get exposed as bumbling mouth-breathers. You're a sad little bunch.

or else peppering it with insults, abuse, and foul language

Post by alvey
hth
alvey

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not ranked
very highly.

Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine. He
was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the advice
was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices of a lot of
old cars are ridiculous.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine. He
was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the advice
was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices of a lot of
old cars are ridiculous.

They sure are. Mokes have been stupidly priced for a little while now.
Not sure if they're selling anywhere near the advertised priced, but
it's getting ridiculous.

I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as I
love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine. He
was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the advice
was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices of a lot
of old cars are ridiculous.

They sure are. Mokes have been stupidly priced for a little while now.
Not sure if they're selling anywhere near the advertised priced, but
it's getting ridiculous.
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as I
love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl
Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors
certainly aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine.
He was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the
advice was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices
of a lot of old cars are ridiculous.

They sure are. Mokes have been stupidly priced for a little while
now. Not sure if they're selling anywhere near the advertised priced,
but it's getting ridiculous.
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as
I love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

there was one for sale near here parked on a front lawn. think it's gone
now.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as
I love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

Last Bacchus air/car show I saw you at there was a guy there with a very
original Burgundy and white Mk1 Cooper S that was in extremely original
matching numbers condition with most of it's original kit that is often
missing in a lot of cars. We spoke for a while and he was amenable to
the idea of selling the thing "for the right price".

I offered him 50 grand and he thought about it, but I never heard from
him again. That apparently wasn't the right price, but was the limit of
what I was prepared to pay for a mk.1 in a colour that wasn't my first
choice.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S
as I love the things and would like another one before I croak, but
the prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the
planet and very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

Last Bacchus air/car show I saw you at there was a guy there with a
very original Burgundy and white Mk1 Cooper S that was in extremely
original matching numbers condition with most of it's original kit
that is often missing in a lot of cars. We spoke for a while and he
was amenable to the idea of selling the thing "for the right price".
I offered him 50 grand and he thought about it, but I never heard from
him again. That apparently wasn't the right price, but was the limit
of what I was prepared to pay for a mk.1 in a colour that wasn't my
first choice.

tall story number 2,080

[alvey]

Post by Noddy
Last Bacchus air/car show I saw you at there was a guy there with a very
original Burgundy and white Mk1 Cooper S that was in extremely original
matching numbers condition with most of it's original kit that is often
missing in a lot of cars.

A fine example of why it's so easy to pick stuff that Fraudster has
plagiarised...


snip another convenient 'recollection'.



alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as
I love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

Last Bacchus air/car show I saw you at there was a guy there with a very
original Burgundy and white Mk1 Cooper S that was in extremely original
matching numbers condition with most of it's original kit that is often
missing in a lot of cars. We spoke for a while and he was amenable to
the idea of selling the thing "for the right price".
I offered him 50 grand and he thought about it, but I never heard from
him again. That apparently wasn't the right price, but was the limit of
what I was prepared to pay for a mk.1 in a colour that wasn't my first
choice.

...and the odds that this story is true is 0%.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
I've been looking at possibly buying an original Mk1 or 2 Cooper S as
I love the things and would like another one before I croak, but the
prices asked if and when they come up for sale are off the planet and
very few, if any of them, are anything like 100% original.

An original unmolested Cooper S would be worth mega bucks.

Last Bacchus air/car show I saw you at there was a guy there with a very
original Burgundy and white Mk1 Cooper S that was in extremely original
matching numbers condition with most of it's original kit that is often
missing in a lot of cars. We spoke for a while and he was amenable to
the idea of selling the thing "for the right price".
I offered him 50 grand and he thought about it, but I never heard from
him again. That apparently wasn't the right price, but was the limit of
what I was prepared to pay for a mk.1 in a colour that wasn't my first
choice.

Not surprised about the price range but its nuts when you think of what
they cost new.
Spent a bit of time in a mates Mk2 Cooper S and it was a brilliant
little car, I remember him pegging the speedo on Geelong Rd, don't know
how fast it was actually going but I think the speedo was reading
115MPH, whatever it was it felt like a million miles and hour in such a
small low car:-)

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine. He
was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the advice
was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices of a lot of
old cars are ridiculous.

Mokes are in a league of their own, friends here have a restored Moke
Califorian and its worth well over $40k.
Cooper S's are worth big money but a Mini 850 whilst still being worth a
lot more than when it was new isn't worth as much.
Minis are a very different car to a Minor, much mire highly regarded as
a drivers car so this is reflected in their value.


Daryl

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-
screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not
ranked very highly.

Rarity adds to the value of classic cars and Morris Minors certainly
aren't rare even in Australia.

A friend has a Moke, it is in nice condition and has a 1310 engine. He
was thinking of selling it and asked around about pricing, the advice
was to ask $40k but be prepared to drop to $35k. The prices of a lot
of old cars are ridiculous.

Mokes are in a league of their own, friends here have a restored Moke
Califorian and its worth well over $40k.
Cooper S's are worth big money but a Mini 850 whilst still being worth a
lot more than when it was new isn't worth as much.
Minis are a very different car to a Minor, much mire highly regarded as
a drivers car so this is reflected in their value.

I used to drive my mother's split screen 850, I even once saw 80mph on
the clock (probably greatly exaggerated) accompanied by a burning smell
(I didn't tell her about that). My father who's taste ran to Ford
Zodiacs called it the dinghy.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

not exactly a small fortune tho..
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/96-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-saloon/?lot=8292&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/26-1953-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-convertible-conversion/?lot=519&sd=1
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/94-1955-morris-minor-sii-split-screen-traveller/?lot=8289&sd=1

No. In the grand scheme of collector cars, Morris Minors are not ranked
very highly.

That's because they are like arseholes, everyone has one. Morris minors
are like the Model T Ford - very very common (they built millions of the
things) hence low pricing on the collector market.

[Clocky]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need
so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even
when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering
makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is
required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there is a
fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to
the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel
*quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the
purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It would
not surprise me that the power steering system can learn your
driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time
as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers
who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

What are you on about? That pommy shite isn't worth much even in top
condition.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which
they accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance,
steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical
function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less
is required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there
is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your
driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more
force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering
wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for
the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It
would not surprise me that the power steering system can learn
your driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same
time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for
drivers who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

What are you on about? That pommy shite isn't worth much even in top
condition.

As I have said before, there was a time when I respected you, but,
unfortunately, you have degenerated into a worthless hypocrite.

[Clocky]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press
of a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the
variants have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to
start another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm
guessing that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric
power steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic
control, can give you almost infinite levels of steering
assistance depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by
which they accommodate these disparate requirements. For
instance, steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a
mechanical function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less
is required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there
is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your
driving style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal
at slow speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance
level. Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at
your driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply
*more force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the
steering wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable
sensors for the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans
clockspring in the steering column, and the car will already have
*wheel speed sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road
speed. It would not surprise me that the power steering system
can learn your driving style and improve the steering smoothness
at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode
is designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher
damping effect and increase the centre definition at medium and
high vehicle speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great
fit to MG’s tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics
response, for drivers who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? ..
https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a fair
bit of money.

What are you on about? That pommy shite isn't worth much even in top
condition.

As I have said before, there was a time when I respected you, but,
unfortunately, you have degenerated into a worthless hypocrite.

Prove me wrong you spineless dumbarse.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with
the menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for
the steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the
press of a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do
the variants have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun
to start another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm
guessing that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric
power steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic
control, can give you almost infinite levels of steering
assistance depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by
which they accommodate these disparate requirements. For
instance, steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a
mechanical function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much
less is required. Since no power is being used when not turning,
there is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your
driving style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal
at slow speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance
level. Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at
your driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply
*more force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the
steering wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable
sensors for the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans
clockspring in the steering column, and the car will already
have *wheel speed sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine
road speed. It would not surprise me that the power steering
system can learn your driving style and improve the steering
smoothness at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes –
Urban, Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver
complete control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a
lighter and quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the
Dynamic mode is designed to increase the steering effort, deliver
a higher damping effect and increase the centre definition at
medium and high vehicle speeds. The Normal steering option
delivers a great fit to MG’s tailored suspension set-up and
vehicle dynamics response, for drivers who want to maintain a
consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/
indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out
the window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping
or turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless
you had a passenger.

If you can find one with a split windscreen, it would be worth a
fair bit of money.

What are you on about? That pommy shite isn't worth much even in top
condition.

As I have said before, there was a time when I respected you, but,
unfortunately, you have degenerated into a worthless hypocrite.

Prove me wrong you spineless dumbarse.

Thank you, you have just proved my point.

[jonz]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need
so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even
when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering
makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is
required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there is a
fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to
the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel
*quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the
purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It would
not surprise me that the power steering system can learn your
driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time
as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers
who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

[Noddy]

Post by jonz
 When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

____
Xeno

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

You see Felix? this is how much of an absolute fucking retard you are.

It wouldn't matter if I said I had a steak and cheese pie for lunch but
forgot the sauce, your mental mate would call bullshit based on whatever
insane fantasy story he wanted to invent to support it, and you would
just swallow every bit of it as if it was the lead story on 60 minutes :)

Instead of being a ridiculously gullible sock puppet, why don't you
*question* the fucking idiot and get him to explain why there are so
many gaping holes in his ridiculous stories. You could start with this
one right here.

Post by Mighty Mouse
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fmQAAOSw3OZmMPfa/s-l1600.webp

is how he "remembers" the things to be, when in reality *this*

Post by Mighty Mouse
https://dasgib.imgbb.com/

Is how they actually came, which you can also see in this concourse

Post by Mighty Mouse
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TLUAAOSwnLdWq7ev/s-l1600.webp

Instead of being his nonsensical little yappy dog, why don't you ask him
how it is that he "remembered" something that *wasn't* true, and used
that fake memory as the foundation of a completely bullshit comment?

*ask* him Felix. What are you so fucking scared of?

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

You see Felix? this is how much of an absolute fucking retard you are.
It wouldn't matter if I said I had a steak and cheese pie for lunch but
forgot the sauce, your mental mate would call bullshit based on whatever
insane fantasy story he wanted to invent to support it,

Nahhhh. It's most likely to get called a lie because of your spectacular
and lengthy history of lying.

Post by Noddy
and you would
just swallow every bit of it as if it was the lead story on 60 minutes :)

*Really* poor metaphor Buffo. 60 Minutes is well renowned for shonky
stories. Try following some non-Murdoch sources. ps. Keep a dictionary
handy.

snip unread. Prolly more lies.


alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

You see Felix? this is how much of an absolute fucking retard you are.
It wouldn't matter if I said I had a steak and cheese pie for lunch but
forgot the sauce, your mental mate would call bullshit based on whatever
insane fantasy story he wanted to invent to support it, and you would
just swallow every bit of it as if it was the lead story on 60 minutes :)
Instead of being a ridiculously gullible sock puppet, why don't you
*question* the fucking idiot and get him to explain why there are so
many gaping holes in his ridiculous stories.

Why don't *you* start by explaining all the gaping holes in *your*
ridiculous stories?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

You see Felix? this is how much of an absolute fucking retard you are.
It wouldn't matter if I said I had a steak and cheese pie for lunch
but forgot the sauce, your mental mate would call bullshit based on
whatever insane fantasy story he wanted to invent to support it, and
you would just swallow every bit of it as if it was the lead story on
60 minutes :)
Instead of being a ridiculously gullible sock puppet, why don't you
*question* the fucking idiot and get him to explain why there are so
many gaping holes in his ridiculous stories.

Why don't *you* start by explaining all the gaping holes in *your*
ridiculous stories?

if he has a problem with something Xeno said/says, he can ask him
himself. I invariably ignore posts addressed to me that start with
insults, and proceed with more.

[Xeno]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0
A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Darren, the whole idea of flashing indicator lights was was so you didn’t
need hand signalling, especially on trucks where following vehicles
couldn’t even see the hand anyway because of the wide tray bulkhead.
Besides, by the time you were old enough to be aware of such matters,
flashers had become mandatory. So, another bullshit story from you.

number 2,079

You see Felix? this is how much of an absolute fucking retard you are.
It wouldn't matter if I said I had a steak and cheese pie for lunch
but forgot the sauce, your mental mate would call bullshit based on
whatever insane fantasy story he wanted to invent to support it, and
you would just swallow every bit of it as if it was the lead story on
60 minutes :)
Instead of being a ridiculously gullible sock puppet, why don't you
*question* the fucking idiot and get him to explain why there are so
many gaping holes in his ridiculous stories.

Why don't *you* start by explaining all the gaping holes in *your*
ridiculous stories?

They aren't gaping holes, they are great yawning chasms!

He could start with why the government has no record of his
apprenticeship achievements. Or why his name is not listed on the trade
registration database in Victoria.

[Daryl]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Very different times, I remember when I was still in primary school a
friends dad used to borrow a small tray truck from his work to do work
around his house, on the way to and from the tip us kids used to ride on
the tray and nobody was worried, doing the same thing today could get
you locked up.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Very different times, I remember when I was still in primary school a
friends dad used to borrow a small tray truck from his work to do work
around his house, on the way to and from the tip us kids used to ride on
the tray and nobody was worried, doing the same thing today could get
you locked up.

Those were the days.

His little Ford Thames only had two seats, but it wasn't uncommon for
the family of 5 to ride in it with my younger brother sitting on mum's
lap and me & my older sister sharing the engine cover.

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Noddy
His didn't. Pushing my memory but it probably had working indicators,
but he gave hand signals anyway. People still did back then.

Very different times, I remember when I was still in primary school a
friends dad used to borrow a small tray truck from his work to do work
around his house, on the way to and from the tip us kids used to ride
on the tray and nobody was worried, doing the same thing today could
get you locked up.

Those were the days.
His little Ford Thames only had two seats, but it wasn't uncommon for
the family of 5 to ride in it with my younger brother sitting on mum's
lap and me & my older sister sharing the engine cover.

You can "remember" that but your height or that you have diabetes?

Bit sus.

[Xeno]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

____
Xeno

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable arm in
use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can find a pic

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

   When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable arm
in use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can find a
pic

similar to this, but a more modern design. I'm sure they had them on
buses and trucks

https://tinyurl.com/um5ruwpf

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

   When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable arm
in use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can find a
pic

https://tinyurl.com/msewnvd7

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno
____
Xeno

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

   When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable arm
in use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can find a
pic

https://tinyurl.com/msewnvd7

This is more like the ones I remember.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-old-australian-truck-with-mechanical-hand-signal-170631771.html

Note the tray bulkhead, no point hanging your arm out and trying to
signal with this truck, anyone following would never see it. So much for
Darren''s bullshit story.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

   When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable
arm in use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can
find a pic

https://tinyurl.com/msewnvd7

This is more like the ones I remember.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-old-australian-truck-with-mechanical-hand-signal-170631771.html
Note the tray bulkhead, no point hanging your arm out and trying to
signal with this truck, anyone following would never see it. So much
for Darren''s bullshit story.

lol, it's the same photo

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

   When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck when
I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

Very common on trucks and buses of the 50s I encountered during my
apprenticeship. By the time I completed my apprenticeship they were mostly
all gone, replaced by aftermarket flasher sets. I know because we fitted a
few of those sets and even fitted a few to cars with semaphore trafficators
like the early Hillmans. Both Lucas and Bosch used to market a suitable kit
back in the day.
The problem with trucks and hand signals was that the tray bulkhead was
wider than the cab so obscured the view of hand signals from drivers coming
up behind the trucks, worse when the tray was loaded up. Buses had a
different issue, the drivers seat was often somewhat distant from the
window necessitating an extension arm of some sort. SB and OB Bedford buses
were like that. Flasher kits solved the problem.

now that you mention it, I seem to recall a mechanical extendable
arm in use in those does for commercial vehicles. i'll see if I can
find a pic

https://tinyurl.com/msewnvd7

This is more like the ones I remember.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-old-australian-truck-with-mechanical-hand-signal-170631771.html
Note the tray bulkhead, no point hanging your arm out and trying to
signal with this truck, anyone following would never see it. So much
for Darren''s bullshit story.

lol, it's the same photo

Sorry, only saw the link to the other one.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

First truck I drove was a 1965 J series Bedford and it still had the arm
on the drivers door, it had working indicators and stop lights so I
don't know why the mechanical arm was still their.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

First truck I drove was a 1965 J series Bedford and it still had the arm
on the drivers door, it had working indicators and stop lights so I
don't know why the mechanical arm was still their.

It filled in the holes in the door.

[jonz]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Only for right turns. Was talking L/H turns.

[Keithr0]

Post by jonz

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Only for right turns. Was talking L/H turns.

The ones that I'm thinking of had the hand hinged, so it was straight
out to turn right, and pointing upward to turn left, just the same as
hand signals were in the early/mid sixties.

[jonz]

Post by Keithr0

Post by jonz

Post by Keithr0

Post by Noddy

  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof
(palm down) to indicate a left turn.

Which I remember my old man doing in his old Ford Thames tray truck
when I was a young kid.

A lot of trucks and busses had a mechanical arm to give the signals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Only for right turns. Was talking L/H turns.

The ones that I'm thinking of had the hand hinged, so it was straight
out to turn right, and pointing upward to turn left, just the same as
hand signals were in the early/mid sixties.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 The hand straight up, was a stop signal. In NZ at least..

[Keithr0]

Post by jonz

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't need
so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which they
accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance, steering
assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical function of
the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power from
the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance even
when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power steering
makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less is
required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there is a
fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your driving
*style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more force* to
the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering wheel
*quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for the
purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It would
not surprise me that the power steering system can learn your
driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same time
as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS has
been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for drivers
who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

When the wife and I went for our Massachusetts licences in 1999, we had
to demonstrate hand signals.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by jonz

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of
a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the variants
have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to start
another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm guessing
that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric power
steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic control,
can give you almost infinite levels of steering assistance
depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by which
they accommodate these disparate requirements. For instance,
steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a mechanical
function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less
is required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there
is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your driving
style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal at slow
speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance level.
Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at your
driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply *more
force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the steering
wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable sensors for
the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans clockspring in the
steering column, and the car will already have *wheel speed
sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road speed. It
would not surprise me that the power steering system can learn
your driving style and improve the steering smoothness at the same
time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode is
designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher damping
effect and increase the centre definition at medium and high vehicle
speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great fit to MG’s
tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics response, for
drivers who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

When the wife and I went for our Massachusetts licences in 1999, we had
to demonstrate hand signals.

I got my license in 1970 and didn't have to do that, the Yanks are a
little behind the rest of the world:-)

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by jonz

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the
menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for the
steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press
of a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do the
variants have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun to
start another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm
guessing that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric
power steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic
control, can give you almost infinite levels of steering
assistance depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by
which they accommodate these disparate requirements. For
instance, steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a
mechanical function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much less
is required. Since no power is being used when not turning, there
is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your
driving style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal
at slow speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance
level. Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at
your driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply
*more force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the
steering wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable
sensors for the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans
clockspring in the steering column, and the car will already have
*wheel speed sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine road
speed. It would not surprise me that the power steering system
can learn your driving style and improve the steering smoothness
at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes – Urban,
Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver complete
control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a lighter and
quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the Dynamic mode
is designed to increase the steering effort, deliver a higher
damping effect and increase the centre definition at medium and
high vehicle speeds. The Normal steering option delivers a great
fit to MG’s tailored suspension set-up and vehicle dynamics
response, for drivers who want to maintain a consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? .. https://auslink.info/pics/
indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out the
window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping or
turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless you
had a passenger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

When the wife and I went for our Massachusetts licences in 1999, we
had to demonstrate hand signals.

I got my license in 1970 and didn't have to do that, the Yanks are a
little behind the rest of the world:-)

The test was ridiculous, on a road that just went up to a Walmart car
park, with a strange roundabout with only 2 exits on the way. Drive up
there, turn into the car park, do a 3 point turn, reverse about 20
metres and go back to the start. Never got over about 50km/hr. It
explained a lot about the standard of driving there.

[jonz]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by jonz

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with
the menu on the display screen, and noticed there's options for
the steering, namely Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the
press of a menu button alter the steering, and what effect do
the variants have? (yes, I know I can google, but it's more fun
to start another argument.. err.. I mean.. discussion thread)  :)

Pressure control and I don't mean hydraulic pressure. I'm
guessing that your MG is like my Toyota, fitted with electric
power steering. That, along with various sensors and electronic
control, can give you almost infinite levels of steering
assistance depending on your needs and the road conditions.
A simple example; with hydraulic power steering you have most
pressure with the engine at higher revs. But, when you are in
parking situations, your steering is *heavy* but the engine is
idling therefore producing less hydraulic pressure to provide
adequate assistance. At high speed, high engine RPM, you don't
need so much assistance. Manufacturers have various means by
which they accommodate these disparate requirements. For
instance, steering assistance in hydraulic power steering is a
mechanical function of the rotary valve characteristic. It's fixed.
With electric power steering, you can have full electric power
from the battery to give you high levels of steering assistance
even when the engine is idling. At high speeds, electric power
steering makes it easy to dial down the assistance when much
less is required. Since no power is being used when not turning,
there is a fuel savings factor as well.
You will be able to tailor your steering feel to suit your
driving style. Urban mode will give you more assist than normal
at slow speed whereas Normal mode will be the default assistance
level. Just guessing but I suspect Dynamic mode looks more at
your driving *style*. For instance, more assist when you apply
*more force* to the steering or more assist if you rotate the
steering wheel *quickly*. Not difficult to incorporate suitable
sensors for the purpose, like a magnetic torque sensor sans
clockspring in the steering column, and the car will already
have *wheel speed sensors* that will enable the BCM to determine
road speed. It would not surprise me that the power steering
system can learn your driving style and improve the steering
smoothness at the same time as it provides higher levels of assistance.

thanks. I'l try the different modes and report back.

googled up this..
"MG ZS remains a global car with a distinctly British feel. MG ZS
has been tested on UK roads and developed for UK drivers with MG’s
Engineering team based at Longbridge, Birmingham, leading the way.
All versions come with three power assisted steering modes –
Urban, Normal and Dynamic – which are designed to give the driver
complete control over their ride. While Urban steering offers a
lighter and quicker response at low speeds and when parking, the
Dynamic mode is designed to increase the steering effort, deliver
a higher damping effect and increase the centre definition at
medium and high vehicle speeds. The Normal steering option
delivers a great fit to MG’s tailored suspension set-up and
vehicle dynamics response, for drivers who want to maintain a
consistent ride"
https://www.mg.co.uk/media-centre/mg-zs-press-pack
won't bother with Urban, but will try Dynamic during a long trip.
cars have come a long way since the days of the Morris Minor. :)
and who can remember these? ..
https://auslink.info/pics/indicators.jpg

p.s. in those days, unless you had a 'modern' car with those
indicators, or the rarer indicator lamps, you stuck your arm out
the window, and gave the appropriate signal, to indicate stopping
or turning right. there was no way to indicate turning left unless
you had a passenger.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  When I got my licence you stuck your right arm over the roof (palm
down) to indicate a left turn.

When the wife and I went for our Massachusetts licences in 1999, we
had to demonstrate hand signals.

I got my license in 1970 and didn't have to do that, the Yanks are a
little behind the rest of the world:-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Well, that state anyway!. :)

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse
while stuck in stop/start traffic today, I had a fiddle with the menu on
the display screen, and noticed there's options for the steering, namely
Urban, Normal, and Dynamic. how can the press of a menu button alter the
steering, and what effect do the variants have? (yes, I know I can
google, but it's more fun to start another argument.. err.. I mean..
discussion thread)  :)

You can control the level of assistance electronically. Some systems
also have camber control which automatically compensates for camber and
you won't even be aware of it through the steering.