LPG Falcon wont start

[Brendon]

As I turned onto William Street in Sydney today, my BA egas Falcon
decided to stop - in the middle of the bloody intersection. It was lucky
that I was facing down hill so I was able roll out of the way of the
traffic.

The NRMA came and the bloke had a fiddle for a while and told me that I
was out of LPG and the guage was reading wrong (it was showing a quarter
tank and just under 200k's on the range reading).

Got a tow to a servo, filled it up and still no starting. It only took
49l of LPG which shows that it wasn't empty. Seems the gauge wasn't
wrong afterall.

As it sits, it has a full tank of LPG, it will crank but will not star
at all - dosnt even sound like it it's trying to fire. I an wondering
whether its some sort of electrical problem as opposed to an LPG related
problem.

Anyone have any ideas? It's out of warranty and I'm tossing up whether
to take it to an eleco, gas place, general workshop or Ford dealer.

Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas
issues (!) that might be a starting point?

[atec 77]

Post by Brendon
As I turned onto William Street in Sydney today, my BA egas Falcon
decided to stop - in the middle of the bloody intersection. It was lucky
that I was facing down hill so I was able roll out of the way of the
traffic.
The NRMA came and the bloke had a fiddle for a while and told me that I
was out of LPG and the guage was reading wrong (it was showing a quarter
tank and just under 200k's on the range reading).
Got a tow to a servo, filled it up and still no starting. It only took
49l of LPG which shows that it wasn't empty. Seems the gauge wasn't
wrong afterall.
As it sits, it has a full tank of LPG, it will crank but will not star
at all - dosnt even sound like it it's trying to fire. I an wondering
whether its some sort of electrical problem as opposed to an LPG related
problem.
Anyone have any ideas? It's out of warranty and I'm tossing up whether
to take it to an eleco, gas place, general workshop or Ford dealer.
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas
issues (!) that might be a starting point?

What sort of gas outfit ?

factory converter or after market injected ?

does it have spark ?

if so is it blue or sorta yellow ?

[Me]

Post by atec 77

Post by Brendon
As I turned onto William Street in Sydney today, my BA egas Falcon
decided to stop - in the middle of the bloody intersection. It was lucky
that I was facing down hill so I was able roll out of the way of the
traffic.
The NRMA came and the bloke had a fiddle for a while and told me that I
was out of LPG and the guage was reading wrong (it was showing a quarter
tank and just under 200k's on the range reading).
Got a tow to a servo, filled it up and still no starting. It only took
49l of LPG which shows that it wasn't empty. Seems the gauge wasn't wrong
afterall.
As it sits, it has a full tank of LPG, it will crank but will not star at
all - dosnt even sound like it it's trying to fire. I an wondering
whether its some sort of electrical problem as opposed to an LPG related
problem.
Anyone have any ideas? It's out of warranty and I'm tossing up whether to
take it to an eleco, gas place, general workshop or Ford dealer.
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas issues
(!) that might be a starting point?

What sort of gas outfit ?
factory converter or after market injected ?
does it have spark ?
if so is it blue or sorta yellow ?

He mentioned it was an egas falcon, so it's factory.
Isn't this fairly common, I remember reading of several cases...

[Brendon]

Post by atec 77
What sort of gas outfit ?
factory converter or after market injected ?

It's a factory gas Falcon (the green motor), not an aftermarket
conversion or anything like that.

Post by atec 77
does it have spark ?

Dunno, have not had a chance to look yet. It only turned up on the tow
truck an hour ago (long story) :-)

Post by atec 77
if so is it blue or sorta yellow ?

I'll have a squiz tomorrow and let you know.

[Noddy]

Post by Brendon
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas issues
(!) that might be a starting point?

Assuming that you've checked the basics like spark & wiring connections, the
first thing I'd be checking would be the lock off solenoids on the converter
& tank to see if they're (a) getting voltage and (b) opening. Crack the gas
line at the converter open slightly in a very well ventilated area free from
ignition sources and very quickly cycle the ignition key on once (without
attempting to start the engine) to see if you have a gas discharge from the
tank through the supply pipe.

*Warning* - Do this at your own risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing this
will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected to
your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it ignites.

If you get the gas purge happening, then you're getting gas to the
converter. If the engine won't start when you secure the pipe fitting
properly then check the solenoid on the converter, or the gas safety switch
in the engine bay by disconnecting the wire that runs from the ignition coil
and connecting it directly to positive battery power.

If the engine fires, you need a new switch or have some other electrical
gremlin.

The converter should "click" on to prime the engine with gas when the
ignition is turned on and then off again a couple of seconds later. Is it
doing this?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Jack]

Dont mess with GAS, take it to an expert, let him blow himself up...

Post by Noddy

Post by Brendon
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas issues
(!) that might be a starting point?

Assuming that you've checked the basics like spark & wiring connections, the
first thing I'd be checking would be the lock off solenoids on the converter
& tank to see if they're (a) getting voltage and (b) opening. Crack the gas
line at the converter open slightly in a very well ventilated area free from
ignition sources and very quickly cycle the ignition key on once (without
attempting to start the engine) to see if you have a gas discharge from the
tank through the supply pipe.
*Warning* - Do this at your own risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing this
will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected to
your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it ignites.
If you get the gas purge happening, then you're getting gas to the
converter. If the engine won't start when you secure the pipe fitting
properly then check the solenoid on the converter, or the gas safety switch
in the engine bay by disconnecting the wire that runs from the ignition coil
and connecting it directly to positive battery power.
If the engine fires, you need a new switch or have some other electrical
gremlin.
The converter should "click" on to prime the engine with gas when the
ignition is turned on and then off again a couple of seconds later. Is it
doing this?
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[DAvid]

Post by Noddy

Post by Brendon
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas issues
(!) that might be a starting point?

Assuming that you've checked the basics like spark & wiring connections,
the first thing I'd be checking would be the lock off solenoids on the
converter & tank to see if they're (a) getting voltage and (b) opening.
Crack the gas line at the converter open slightly in a very well
ventilated area free from ignition sources and very quickly cycle the
ignition key on once (without attempting to start the engine) to see if
you have a gas discharge from the tank through the supply pipe.
*Warning* - Do this at your own risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing
this will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected
to your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it
ignites.
If you get the gas purge happening, then you're getting gas to the
converter. If the engine won't start when you secure the pipe fitting
properly then check the solenoid on the converter, or the gas safety
switch in the engine bay by disconnecting the wire that runs from the
ignition coil and connecting it directly to positive battery power.
If the engine fires, you need a new switch or have some other electrical
gremlin.
The converter should "click" on to prime the engine with gas when the
ignition is turned on and then off again a couple of seconds later. Is it
doing this?
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Typical "Knowall Noddy" reply. Are you completely off the planet suggesting
Brendan do this? Don't even think of doing this Brendon. Let the experts
look at it. They would know the safety issues even more than Noddy which
would probably only surprise him.

DAVO

[Noddy]

Post by DAvid
Typical "Knowall Noddy" reply. Are you completely off the planet
suggesting Brendan do this?

What part of the warning disclaimer did you have the most trouble with
shitlips?

Post by DAvid
Don't even think of doing this Brendon. Let the experts look at it. They
would know the safety issues even more than Noddy which would probably
only surprise him.

Yeah, take it along to your friendly auto lpg repairman and watch him do
exactly the same thing :)

Fuck off and die cuntbreath. You're sucking our air.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[DAvid]

Post by Noddy

Post by DAvid
Typical "Knowall Noddy" reply. Are you completely off the planet
suggesting Brendan do this?

What part of the warning disclaimer did you have the most trouble with
shitlips?

Post by DAvid
Don't even think of doing this Brendon. Let the experts look at it. They
would know the safety issues even more than Noddy which would probably
only surprise him.

Yeah, take it along to your friendly auto lpg repairman and watch him do
exactly the same thing :)
Fuck off and die cuntbreath. You're sucking our air.
--
Regards,
Noddy.

You would have to be the TG'sFM of this group. Even TG makes more sense than
your pathetic responses. No wonder you live here in your smelly little hole.

DAVO

[Noddy]

Post by DAvid
You would have to be the TG'sFM of this group. Even TG makes more sense
than your pathetic responses. No wonder you live here in your smelly
little hole.

So, I'll add you to my Christmas card list then?

Turn up to my place when I'm having my next barbie. My mates would just
*piss* themselves at your gay as a picnic basket CR-V, and the women in the
kitchen could use your help.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[John McKenzie]

Post by Noddy
Fuck off and die cuntbreath. You're sucking our air.

funny how the trolls are all premature ejaculators, they can't even hold
back for a second, and post all the bullshit one after the other, to the
point it's obvious who they are.
--
John McKenzie

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[Daryl Walford]

Post by DAvid

Post by Noddy

Post by Brendon
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas issues
(!) that might be a starting point?

Assuming that you've checked the basics like spark & wiring connections,
the first thing I'd be checking would be the lock off solenoids on the
converter & tank to see if they're (a) getting voltage and (b) opening.
Crack the gas line at the converter open slightly in a very well
ventilated area free from ignition sources and very quickly cycle the
ignition key on once (without attempting to start the engine) to see if
you have a gas discharge from the tank through the supply pipe.
*Warning* - Do this at your own risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing
this will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected
to your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it
ignites.
If you get the gas purge happening, then you're getting gas to the
converter. If the engine won't start when you secure the pipe fitting
properly then check the solenoid on the converter, or the gas safety
switch in the engine bay by disconnecting the wire that runs from the
ignition coil and connecting it directly to positive battery power.
If the engine fires, you need a new switch or have some other electrical
gremlin.
The converter should "click" on to prime the engine with gas when the
ignition is turned on and then off again a couple of seconds later. Is it
doing this?
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Typical "Knowall Noddy" reply. Are you completely off the planet suggesting
Brendan do this? Don't even think of doing this Brendon. Let the experts
look at it. They would know the safety issues even more than Noddy which
would probably only surprise him.

Noddy is a qualified mechanic as so am I and we both have quite a bit of
experience with LPG so his advice is spot on and not particularly
dangerous if due care is taken.
The OP asked for advice here so its reasonable to assume that he was
asking how to do it himself, if that wasn't the case why would ask for
help otherwise he would just take it to a Ford dealer or LPG specialist.


Daryl

[DAvid]

Post by Daryl Walford

Post by DAvid

Post by Noddy

Post by Brendon
Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Any common BA egas
issues (!) that might be a starting point?

Assuming that you've checked the basics like spark & wiring connections,
the first thing I'd be checking would be the lock off solenoids on the
converter & tank to see if they're (a) getting voltage and (b) opening.
Crack the gas line at the converter open slightly in a very well
ventilated area free from ignition sources and very quickly cycle the
ignition key on once (without attempting to start the engine) to see if
you have a gas discharge from the tank through the supply pipe.
*Warning* - Do this at your own risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing
this will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe
connected to your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru
if it ignites.
If you get the gas purge happening, then you're getting gas to the
converter. If the engine won't start when you secure the pipe fitting
properly then check the solenoid on the converter, or the gas safety
switch in the engine bay by disconnecting the wire that runs from the
ignition coil and connecting it directly to positive battery power.
If the engine fires, you need a new switch or have some other electrical
gremlin.
The converter should "click" on to prime the engine with gas when the
ignition is turned on and then off again a couple of seconds later. Is
it doing this?
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Typical "Knowall Noddy" reply. Are you completely off the planet
suggesting Brendan do this? Don't even think of doing this Brendon. Let
the experts look at it. They would know the safety issues even more than
Noddy which would probably only surprise him.

Noddy is a qualified mechanic as so am I and we both have quite a bit of
experience with LPG so his advice is spot on and not particularly
dangerous if due care is taken.

Many qualified mechanics have attempted to fix leaking fuel tanks too,
thinking all they have to do is empty the fuel before starting up the oxy.
You should be a little more responsible yourself as you have already
admitted quote "not particularly dangerous if due care is taken" which
assumes my concerns are well foundered. How do you know that the OP
understands what "due care" consists of? Anything with the slightest bit of
danger to oneself and others should be referred to an expert in the field
and whilst you and Noddy could no doubt perform the said task, it is still
irresponsible to suggest it to the OP who neither of you know his
qualifications.

Post by Daryl Walford
The OP asked for advice here so its reasonable to assume that he was
asking how to do it himself, if that wasn't the case why would ask for
help otherwise he would just take it to a Ford dealer or LPG specialist.
Daryl

Probably because he was not aware of the risk involved in Noddy's
suggestion. I think it would have been more responsible of Noddy to suggest
he take it to an expert in LPG due to the dangers associated with it. I mean
Noddy even told him it was dangerous quote "*Warning* - Do this at your own
risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing
this will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected
to your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it
ignites."

DAVO



DAVO

[Noddy]

Post by DAvid
Many qualified mechanics have attempted to fix leaking fuel tanks too,
thinking all they have to do is empty the fuel before starting up the oxy.

Is that right?

I've known a few panel beaters who would repair petrol tanks, and radiator
repairers generally do, but I can't say I can recall a mechanic welding a
petrol tank, or one that would be stupid enough to try. Repairs to tanks are
generally done by soldering, not welding.

Still, anyone stupid enough to introduce flame to a tank full of volatile
vapors deserves to have their body outline plastered all over the roof.

Post by DAvid
You should be a little more responsible yourself as you have already
admitted quote "not particularly dangerous if due care is taken" which
assumes my concerns are well foundered. How do you know that the OP
understands what "due care" consists of?

How dumb do you think he is?

He was warned of the dangers of flammable gasses and sparks. If it needs to
be spelled out any clearer than that then it would be fair to assume he
wouldn't be looking for the fault himself :)

Post by DAvid
Anything with the slightest bit of danger to oneself and others should be
referred to an expert in the field and whilst you and Noddy could no doubt
perform the said task, it is still irresponsible to suggest it to the OP
who neither of you know his qualifications.

Fucking bullshit :)

Do you get the servo operator to fill your car up for you, or do you do it
yourself? I mean, it's a dangerous task involving bulk quantities of
flammable liquid, but you're not an "expert" in that field, are you?

You might have a piss poor level of common sense, and that's fine, but you
shouldn't assume that everyone else is the same as you.

Post by DAvid
Probably because he was not aware of the risk involved in Noddy's
suggestion.

Only if he couldn't read English, and from what I could gather from his
original post he was fairly fluent. That and the fact that he's a
semi-regular poster with a fair degree of car knowledge puts him in a
reasonable position to avoid frying himself.

Post by DAvid
I think it would have been more responsible of Noddy to suggest he take it
to an expert in LPG due to the dangers associated with it. I mean Noddy
even told him it was dangerous quote "*Warning* - Do this at your own
risk. If the gas supply is fine, doing
this will allow jet of high pressure lpg to piss out of the pipe connected
to your converter, and you might risk blowing yourself to Peru if it
ignites."

And in reading that, even someone such as your good self who can't tie a
knot in a garbage bag without calling the State Emergency Services
understood that it was *dangerous* if you don't exercise caution.

Tell me what your point is again?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[John McKenzie]

Post by Noddy

Post by DAvid
Many qualified mechanics have attempted to fix leaking fuel tanks too,
thinking all they have to do is empty the fuel before starting up the oxy.

Is that right?

he's seen Elvis too.

Welding a petrol tank.

Post by Noddy
I've known a few panel beaters who would repair petrol tanks, and radiator
repairers generally do, but I can't say I can recall a mechanic welding a
petrol tank, or one that would be stupid enough to try. Repairs to tanks are
generally done by soldering, not welding.

never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

Post by Noddy
Still, anyone stupid enough to introduce flame to a tank full of volatile
vapors deserves to have their body outline plastered all over the roof.

hopefully they would be tethered to their children at the time.

Post by Noddy
How dumb do you think he is?

As dumb as him perhaps? This has to be oz, no-one else is so
relentlessly and ridiculously pedantic, not even David Z when it's
discussing honda bonnet emblems.

Post by Noddy

Post by DAvid
Anything with the slightest bit of danger to oneself and others should be
referred to an expert in the field

I hope he applies the policy to reproduction.

Post by Noddy
Fucking bullshit :)

not so, bullshit tends to have some amt of style...

Post by Noddy
Do you get the servo operator to fill your car up for you,

not unless I don't want the cap any longer.

Post by Noddy
And in reading that, even someone such as your good self who can't tie a
knot in a garbage bag without calling the State Emergency Services
understood that it was *dangerous* if you don't exercise caution.

A mate of mine used to operate phones for honeywell, who were at the
time an emergency callout for a bunch of rented locations. got a phone
call abusing him for about 2 hours, the emergency was that the porch
light bulb was blown....
--
John McKenzie

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[Noddy]

Post by John McKenzie
A mate of mine used to operate phones for honeywell, who were at the
time an emergency callout for a bunch of rented locations. got a phone
call abusing him for about 2 hours, the emergency was that the porch
light bulb was blown....

I wonder if it was this guy? :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.