The edge of the wedge?

Post by Keithr0
From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a vehicle
with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

Anonymoose

2024-07-27 00:35:45 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a vehicle
with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.

Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training you
make them do.

Only possible benefit of this I can see is that when a fuckwit gets
dragged into court for neg/dangerous drive occasioning death, the
prosecutor will be able to point to the U class licence and say "he did
the training, he couldn't known better". This will then come into play
during sentencing.

Daryl

2024-07-27 00:41:39 UTC

Post by Anonymoose

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training you
make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

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Daryl

Xeno

2024-07-27 01:56:53 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training
you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like Darren
claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating automotive
businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-27 02:28:03 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training
you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like Darren
claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating automotive
businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for it
to protect consumers, not the government.

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proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
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Keithr0

2024-07-27 03:10:43 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training
you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating automotive
businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for it
to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining is
always the same.

Noddy

2024-07-27 03:38:21 UTC

Post by Xeno
Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for it
to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining is
always the same.

It is indeed, and it's interesting to note that despite their ridiculous
repetitive protests the Licensing systems both WA and NSW apparently do
*not* prevent imbeciles who don't understand the basics of fuel or brake
systems, or who can't tell the difference between plastic and glass from
being judged "fit to practice".

Which sums up the effectiveness of such licensing systems quite well :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-27 04:52:35 UTC

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

It is indeed, and it's interesting to note that despite their ridiculous
repetitive protests the Licensing systems both WA and NSW apparently do
*not* prevent imbeciles who don't understand the basics of fuel or brake
systems, or who can't tell the difference between plastic and glass from
being judged "fit to practice".
Which sums up the effectiveness of such licensing systems quite well :)

You are a fine one to talk Darren. You didn't even *qualify* to sign up
to any apprenticeship ever in *Victoria*. All you were left with was
making fraudulent claims to be a qualified tradie - twice over. That was
a laugh, *claiming* one trade wasn't enough for your ego, you had to
claim two, and three apprenticeships no less. Imagination is such a
wonderful thing, eh Darren, compensates for all the failures of your
life. You can even be a drag race engine builder extraordinaire, but you
can't even identify an intercooler IRL. FFS, a 4 cylinder Toyota engine
you built didn't even last the practice laps at Mt Panorama.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-27 13:03:25 UTC

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

It is indeed, and it's interesting to note that despite their ridiculous
repetitive protests the Licensing systems both WA and NSW apparently do
*not* prevent imbeciles who don't understand the basics of fuel or brake
systems, or who can't tell the difference between plastic and glass from
being judged "fit to practice".
Which sums up the effectiveness of such licensing systems quite well :)

It's effective in keeping proven incompetent shonks like you from
trading, Mr. "All Imperial Jeep" and that is a win for *everyone*,
especially consumers.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-27 14:13:48 UTC

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

It is indeed, and it's interesting to note that despite their
ridiculous repetitive protests the Licensing systems both WA and NSW
apparently do *not* prevent imbeciles who don't understand the basics
of fuel or brake systems, or who can't tell the difference between
plastic and glass from being judged "fit to practice".
Which sums up the effectiveness of such licensing systems quite well :)

It's effective in keeping proven incompetent shonks like you from
trading, Mr. "All Imperial Jeep" and that is a win for *everyone*,
especially consumers.

yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

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Noddy

2024-07-27 23:32:30 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

Why is that, Felix? Apart from raising revenue, what does licensing of
tradespeople actually achieve? Do you think it ensures a quality work
standard?

I know you're big on facts, so please take a moment to show how the
Licensing of mechanics in Western Australia and New South Wales results
in a higher average standard of work than it does in places like
Victoria, South Australia or Queensland?

While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing systems
make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the expert
tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the difference
between plastic and glass could be considered "competent" and *not*
removed from the quality work pool?

In your own time will be fine....

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Regards,
Noddy.

Daryl

2024-07-28 01:24:58 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

Why is that, Felix? Apart from raising revenue, what does licensing of
tradespeople actually achieve? Do you think it ensures a quality work
standard?
I know you're big on facts, so please take a moment to show how the
Licensing of mechanics in Western Australia and New South Wales results
in a higher average standard of work than it does in places like
Victoria, South Australia or Queensland?
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing systems
make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the expert
tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the difference
between plastic and glass could be considered "competent" and *not*
removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

Only reason I can think of to agree with him is that it could make it
illegal for unqualified people to work on their own cars, I always
thought it odd that there is nothing to stop a plumber or an electrician
working on their cars brakes or steering etc yet a mechanic isn't
allowed to do plumbing or wiring.
Of course Felix wouldn't like it because the cost of car repairs would
go up significantly if mechanics was a closed trade like plumbing etc,
I'd be very happy to hang my qualifications on the wall then charge
people like Felix $350.00 an hour to work on their cars:-)
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would improve
if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the power of unions
in various trades rather than standards.
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

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Noddy

2024-07-28 04:29:02 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing systems
make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the expert
tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the difference
between plastic and glass could be considered "competent" and *not*
removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It doesn't make it illegal to work on your own vehicles, and as far as
I'm aware there are no laws anywhere in the country that prevent anyone
from ever doing so. All a mechanic's license does is make it illegal to
work in the trade professionally without one.

It's like having a red union card. You can be as qualified and
experienced as you like, but you can't get on the job site and earn a
living unless you have the card. Having one doesn't make you any good.
It just means you have the right to work.

Post by Daryl
Of course Felix wouldn't like it because the cost of car repairs would
go up significantly if mechanics was a closed trade like plumbing etc,
I'd be very happy to hang my qualifications on the wall then charge
people like Felix $350.00 an hour to work on their cars:-)

It may do.

I don't know if it's made any significant difference to the cost of
repair work in WA/NSW compared to here. I think the point is more one of
it not having shown to make any appreciable difference to *anything*.

A couple of posts ago I asked Felix to demonstrate how the licensing
systems have made difference to the quality of work in WA & NSW compared
to other states where no such licensing system exists and he hasn't come
back with anything which I can only conclude means that despite the
noise he's made on the subject he's not been able to find anything
credible to support his ignorant bias :)

Post by Daryl
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would improve
if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the power of unions
in various trades rather than standards.

Government revenue raising has a lot to do with it, but there is also a
case to be made where governments introduce policies to placate the
public by being *seen* to be doing something regardless of how effective
(or not) that something may be.

Take the licensing system in Western Australia for example.

Post by Daryl
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/motor-vehicle-repairers-certificate

The only requirement for someone who holds an existing trade
qualification to obtain a license in WA is for one to fill in the
relevant form, provide a photo ID, a current police check and pay the
appropriate fee. Anyone holding any automotive trade qualification from
Australia, New Zealand or any other recognised country needs to do
nothing more than that, and in fact the license is no more difficult to
obtain that it is to get a "working with children" certificate to become
a teacher's aid in a Primary school.

You do not have your skills assessed, Despite the chest beating noise
made by the resident clog wearing circus freak the last time this
bullshit came up in conversation. The *only* time such assessments are
necessary are if you hold qualifications from countries that aren't
formally recognised, or you have experience without formal qualification.

It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified applicants
were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks obtaining a license
makles the *slightest* bit of difference where "weeds out the shonks" is
concerned is a total mystery :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic namby-pamby
hand holders.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 04:46:22 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It doesn't make it illegal to work on your own vehicles, and as far as
I'm aware there are no laws anywhere in the country that prevent anyone
from ever doing so. All a mechanic's license does is make it illegal to
work in the trade professionally without one.
It's like having a red union card. You can be as qualified and
experienced as you like, but you can't get on the job site and earn a
living unless you have the card. Having one doesn't make you any good.
It just means you have the right to work.

It may do.
I don't know if it's made any significant difference to the cost of
repair work in WA/NSW compared to here. I think the point is more one of
it not having shown to make any appreciable difference to *anything*.
A couple of posts ago I asked Felix to demonstrate how the licensing
systems have made difference to the quality of work in WA & NSW compared
to other states where no such licensing system exists and he hasn't come
back with anything which I can only conclude means that despite the
noise he's made on the subject he's not been able to find anything
credible to support his ignorant bias :)

Post by Daryl
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would improve
if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the power of
unions in various trades rather than standards.

Government revenue raising has a lot to do with it, but there is also a
case to be made where governments introduce policies to placate the
public by being *seen* to be doing something regardless of how effective
(or not) that something may be.
Take the licensing system in Western Australia for example.

Post by Daryl
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/motor-vehicle-repairers-certificate

The only requirement for someone who holds an existing trade
qualification to obtain a license in WA is for one to fill in the

This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that the
people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and possess
the requisite *qualifications*.

Post by Noddy
relevant form, provide a photo ID, a current police check and pay the
appropriate fee. Anyone holding any automotive trade qualification from
Australia, New Zealand or any other recognised country needs to do
nothing more than that, and in fact the license is no more difficult to
obtain that it is to get a "working with children" certificate to become
a teacher's aid in a Primary school.

But *you* can't get one! And that is the whole point.

Post by Noddy
You do not have your skills assessed, Despite the chest beating noise

No, that's done *during* the apprenticeship. Of course, since you've
never done an apprenticeship, you obviously wouldn't know this.

Post by Noddy
made by the resident clog wearing circus freak the last time this
bullshit came up in conversation. The *only* time such assessments are
necessary are if you hold qualifications from countries that aren't
formally recognised, or you have experience without formal qualification.
It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified applicants
were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks obtaining a license
makles the *slightest* bit of difference where "weeds out the shonks" is
concerned is a total mystery :)

Well, you *can't* get a job as a mechanic in WA or NSW so, as far as
weeding out the shonks goes, it's working 100%.

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

BS 7671: 2008 Wiring Regulations, Incorporating Amendment No 1: 2011

All wiring has to be to the above standard. Good luck getting a
certificate if it isn't.

Post by Noddy
That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic namby-pamby
hand holders.

No Darren, they are *protecting consumers* from shonks like you.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 05:39:16 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It doesn't make it illegal to work on your own vehicles, and as far
as I'm aware there are no laws anywhere in the country that prevent
anyone from ever doing so. All a mechanic's license does is make it
illegal to work in the trade professionally without one.
It's like having a red union card. You can be as qualified and
experienced as you like, but you can't get on the job site and earn a
living unless you have the card. Having one doesn't make you any
good. It just means you have the right to work.

Post by Daryl
Of course Felix wouldn't like it because the cost of car repairs
would go up significantly if mechanics was a closed trade like
plumbing etc, I'd be very happy to hang my qualifications on the
wall then charge people like Felix $350.00 an hour to work on their
cars:-)

It may do.
I don't know if it's made any significant difference to the cost of
repair work in WA/NSW compared to here. I think the point is more one
of it not having shown to make any appreciable difference to *anything*.
A couple of posts ago I asked Felix to demonstrate how the licensing
systems have made difference to the quality of work in WA & NSW
compared to other states where no such licensing system exists and he
hasn't come back with anything

why would I bother when all I get from him is lies, waffling,
obfuscation, and bullshit

Post by Noddy
which I can only conclude means that despite the noise he's made on
the subject he's not been able to find anything credible to support
his ignorant bias :)

Post by Daryl
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would
improve if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the
power of unions in various trades rather than standards.

Government revenue raising has a lot to do with it, but there is also
a case to be made where governments introduce policies to placate the
public by being *seen* to be doing something regardless of how
effective (or not) that something may be.
Take the licensing system in Western Australia for example.

Post by Daryl
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/motor-vehicle-repairers-certificate

The only requirement for someone who holds an existing trade
qualification to obtain a license in WA is for one to fill in the

This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that the
people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and possess
the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

Post by Noddy
relevant form, provide a photo ID, a current police check and pay the
appropriate fee. Anyone holding any automotive trade qualification
from Australia, New Zealand or any other recognised country needs to
do nothing more than that, and in fact the license is no more
difficult to obtain that it is to get a "working with children"
certificate to become a teacher's aid in a Primary school.

But *you* can't get one! And that is the whole point.

haha

Post by Noddy
You do not have your skills assessed, Despite the chest beating noise

No, that's done *during* the apprenticeship.

that's obvious. but not to him apparently

Post by Xeno
Of course, since you've never done an apprenticeship, you obviously
wouldn't know this.

Post by Noddy
made by the resident clog wearing circus freak the last time this
bullshit came up in conversation. The *only* time such assessments
are necessary are if you hold qualifications from countries that
aren't formally recognised, or you have experience without formal
qualification.
It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified
applicants were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks
obtaining a license makles the *slightest* bit of difference where
"weeds out the shonks" is concerned is a total mystery :)

Well, you *can't* get a job as a mechanic in WA or NSW so, as far as
weeding out the shonks goes, it's working 100%.

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

BS 7671: 2008 Wiring Regulations, Incorporating Amendment No 1: 2011
All wiring has to be to the above standard. Good luck getting a
certificate if it isn't.

Post by Noddy
That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

No Darren, they are *protecting consumers* from shonks like you.

yes that's the whole point of training, licensing, and registration.

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Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-28 07:18:09 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that the
people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and possess
the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 07:36:19 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that
the people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and
possess the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

Hey Darren, we know. And we have them. You, not so much.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Daryl

2024-07-28 10:41:48 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that
the people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and
possess the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

LOL, typical bureaucrats inventing ways to keep themselves employed that
benefit no one but themselves.

--
Daryl

Noddy

2024-07-28 11:57:36 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that
the people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and
possess the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

LOL, typical bureaucrats inventing ways to keep themselves employed that
benefit no one but themselves.

Yep.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Clocky

2024-07-29 01:56:45 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that
the people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and
possess the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

Which you don't have and why you can only work in NSW and WA under my
and Xeno's (very close) supervision, dickhead.

We have seen examples of your incompetence and you have proved why
licensing (which all states will adopt sooner or later) is important and
invaluable countless times over.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:24:25 UTC

Post by Xeno
This is the entire point of the licencing process - to ensure that
the people concerned are appropriately trained and experienced and
possess the requisite *qualifications*.

exactly

That's what trade qualifications are for, you fucking imbecile :)

Which you don't have and why you can only work in NSW and WA under my
and Xeno's (very close) supervision, dickhead.

wouldn't he hate that! having to work under you or Xeno, lol.

Post by Clocky
We have seen examples of your incompetence and you have proved why
licensing (which all states will adopt sooner or later) is important
and invaluable countless times over.

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:34:47 UTC

Post by Clocky
Which you don't have and why you can only work in NSW and WA under my
and Xeno's (very close) supervision, dickhead.

wouldn't he hate that! having to work under you or Xeno, lol.

I would, Felix. It would be painful having to work under two of the most
incompetent "mechanics" I've ever come across. On the plus side, for
them at least, my presence might actually teach them something and leave
them both a little less stupid.

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Regards,
Noddy.

Clocky

2024-07-29 03:57:07 UTC

Post by Clocky
Which you don't have and why you can only work in NSW and WA under my
and Xeno's (very close) supervision, dickhead.

wouldn't he hate that! having to work under you or Xeno, lol.

I would, Felix. It would be painful having to work under

It would be your only option and it would be impossible to teach *you*
anything. You're not only grossly incompetent as you keep proving in
here, you're also uneducable.

So what can you do Mr. "All Imperial Jeep"? Sweep the floors and polish
my spanners, that's it you incompetent and dishonest blowhard.

Noddy

2024-07-28 11:02:10 UTC

why would I bother when all I get from him is lies, waffling,
obfuscation, and bullshit

As usual, you make a ridiculous statement and when asked to substantiate
it with, well *anything*, all we get from you is cop out avoidance.

And you wonder why no one around here ever seems to take you seriously :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 11:10:32 UTC

why would I bother when all I get from him is lies, waffling,
obfuscation, and bullshit

As usual, you make a ridiculous statement and when asked to substantiate
it with, well *anything*, all we get from you is cop out avoidance.
And you wonder why no one around here ever seems to take you seriously :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.

no one takes you seriously Darren. always trying to deflect and project,
your behaviour is a dead giveaway.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 22:19:29 UTC

why would I bother when all I get from him is lies, waffling,
obfuscation, and bullshit

As usual, you make a ridiculous statement

not ridiculous, accurate

Post by Noddy
and when asked to substantiate it with, well *anything*,

your posts and behaviour do that

Post by Noddy
all we get from you is cop out avoidance.
And you wonder why no one around here ever seems to take you
seriously :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.

no one takes you seriously Darren. always trying to deflect and
project, your behaviour is a dead giveaway.

yes. that's put well

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Have a nice day!..

Keithr0

2024-07-28 06:10:52 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-

You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.

A motor vehicle repairer's certificate is a "licence" for individuals who:

OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or

SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or

works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or

do repair work UNSUPERVISED.

So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Noddy

2024-07-28 07:19:23 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
    OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
    SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
    works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
    do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Correct. Either the individual needs one or the employer.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 07:39:52 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
     OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
     SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
     works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
     do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Correct. Either the individual needs one or the employer.

I think Clocky has already made the point that you could work in WA -
under his supervision! Or anyone else suitably qualified. That's like
working as an apprentice or, in your case, as a TA (trades assistant). I
always had a TA assigned to me when I was working *as a mechanic* in WA.
Been there, done that, know how the system works.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

jonz

2024-07-29 01:07:04 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only
the expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
A motor vehicle repairer's certificate is a "licence" for
     OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the
repair work of others; or
     SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
     works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for
the same class of repair work that you do; or
     do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Correct. Either the individual needs one or the employer.

I think Clocky has already made the point that you could work in WA -
under his supervision! Or anyone else suitably qualified. That's like
working as an apprentice or, in your case, as a TA (trades assistant).
I always had a TA assigned to me when I was working *as a mechanic* in
WA. Been there, done that, know how the system works.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You don`t know from shit!.

Anyhoo, Working under clockwit`s *supervision*??????. One would come
away convinced (the non-thinkers anyway) that windscreen laminate was on
the outside!. :):):)

--
If you`re the smartest person in the room, you`re in the wrong room!.

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:00:17 UTC

Post by jonz

Post by Xeno
I think Clocky has already made the point that you could work in WA -
under his supervision! Or anyone else suitably qualified. That's like
working as an apprentice or, in your case, as a TA (trades assistant).
I always had a TA assigned to me when I was working *as a mechanic* in
WA. Been there, done that, know how the system works.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You don`t know from shit!.
Anyhoo, Working under clockwit`s *supervision*??????. One would come
away convinced (the non-thinkers anyway) that windscreen laminate was on
the outside!. :):):)

Based on his own comments, Jerky wouldn't do much better than washing
cars for the detail department in Victoria, but then that's why he's an
accessory fitter. He's not a real mechanic's arsehole.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

Daryl

2024-07-28 10:38:13 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
    OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
    SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
    works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
    do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Sounds a lot like an electrician in Vic, my son is a "licensed
electrical contractor", you need that license to be able to provide a
"certificate of electrical safety", he is also an "A grade electrician"
but he employs people including apprentices that aren't as qualified,
they can do the work provided they are supervised.

--
Daryl

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 22:13:57 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
     OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
     SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
     works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
     do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

Sounds a lot like an electrician in Vic, my son is a "licensed
electrical contractor", you need that license to be able to provide a
"certificate of electrical safety", he is also an "A grade
electrician" but he employs people including apprentices that aren't
as qualified, they can do the work provided they are supervised.

I'm presently waiting for an electrician to arrive. he said he would be
here at 8:00 am, but just sent a text now to say it'll be 10:00 am.
since I'm retired it doesn't matter much, but it would be annoying for
someone wanting to go to work after he finishes.

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 01:07:21 UTC

Post by Daryl
Sounds a lot like an electrician in Vic, my son is a "licensed
electrical contractor", you need that license to be able to provide a
"certificate of electrical safety", he is also an "A grade
electrician" but he employs people including apprentices that aren't
as qualified, they can do the work provided they are supervised.

2 hours isn't much of an issue Felix. Unfortunately not everything goes
to plan on the day. If you want an example of *real* inconvenience, then
cop this:

Back in March of this year I received a letter in the mail from NBNco
telling me that they're doing improvement work in my area, and that an
NBN technician intends to visit my premises to perform "maintenance and
upgrade activities" at no cost to me between 3 April 2024 and 21 August
2024.

In the "What you need to do:" section of the letter, it advises that I
need to ensure that someone over the age of 18 is home during those times.

Too bad if you have shit to do :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:47:20 UTC

I'm presently waiting for an electrician to arrive. he said he would
be here at 8:00 am, but just sent a text now to say it'll be 10:00 am.
since I'm retired it doesn't matter much, but it would be annoying for
someone wanting to go to work after he finishes.

2 hours isn't much of an issue Felix. Unfortunately not everything goes
to plan on the day. If you want an example of *real* inconvenience, then
Back in March of this year I received a letter in the mail from NBNco
telling me that they're doing improvement work in my area, and that an
NBN technician intends to visit my premises to perform "maintenance and
upgrade activities" at no cost to me between 3 April 2024 and 21 August
2024.
In the "What you need to do:" section of the letter, it advises that I
need to ensure that someone over the age of 18 is home during those times.
Too bad if you have shit to do :)

Well, no problem at all for you then! Always at home, always looking out
the shed door waiting for someone - anyone - to call in.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-29 02:00:47 UTC

I'm presently waiting for an electrician to arrive. he said he would
be here at 8:00 am, but just sent a text now to say it'll be 10:00 am.
since I'm retired it doesn't matter much, but it would be annoying for
someone wanting to go to work after he finishes.

All you have to to do is sit and wait for activity on your 27 screens
from 14 cameras. Same as any other day you paranoid lunatic.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:15:00 UTC

Post by Daryl
Sounds a lot like an electrician in Vic, my son is a "licensed
electrical contractor", you need that license to be able to provide
a "certificate of electrical safety", he is also an "A grade
electrician" but he employs people including apprentices that aren't
as qualified, they can do the work provided they are supervised.

I'm presently waiting for an electrician to arrive. he said he would
be here at 8:00 am, but just sent a text now to say it'll be 10:00
am. since I'm retired it doesn't matter much, but it would be
annoying for someone wanting to go to work after he finishes.

he's been and gone now

Post by Noddy
2 hours isn't much of an issue Felix.

not for me. but as I said, if someone took time off from work to be
there, it could be

Post by Noddy
Unfortunately not everything goes to plan on the day. If you want an
Back in March of this year I received a letter in the mail from NBNco
telling me that they're doing improvement work in my area, and that an
NBN technician intends to visit my premises to perform "maintenance
and upgrade activities" at no cost to me between 3 April 2024 and 21
August 2024.
In the "What you need to do:" section of the letter, it advises that I
need to ensure that someone over the age of 18 is home during those times.
Too bad if you have shit to do :)

LOL. what a joke. but presumably they will notify you of a specific
day/time close to the event.

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:38:10 UTC

Post by Noddy
Back in March of this year I received a letter in the mail from NBNco
telling me that they're doing improvement work in my area, and that an
NBN technician intends to visit my premises to perform "maintenance
and upgrade activities" at no cost to me between 3 April 2024 and 21
August 2024.
In the "What you need to do:" section of the letter, it advises that I
need to ensure that someone over the age of 18 is home during those times.
Too bad if you have shit to do :)

LOL. what a joke. but presumably they will notify you of a specific
day/time close to the event.

There is nothing in the letter to say that they will. The only
consideration is to contact them via a web address to make an
alternative appointment if you're not available during those times :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:45:43 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
     OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
     SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
     works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
     do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

A point made long ago by Clocky. He always stated that Darren could work
in WA *under supervision* of a licenced tradie.

Post by Daryl
Sounds a lot like an electrician in Vic, my son is a "licensed
electrical contractor", you need that license to be able to provide a
"certificate of electrical safety", he is also an "A grade electrician"
but he employs people including apprentices that aren't as qualified,
they can do the work provided they are supervised.

An Grade electrician is required to *supervise* B Grade electricians
whilst working in any area for which they are not certified. B Grade
electricians are qualified but not certified. Apprentices, as always,
are in training and, as such, always require supervision. Nothing new there.

Your point is???

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

jonz

2024-07-29 00:58:25 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered
"competent" and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

In W.A., it's not even that. From the commerce.wa.gov.au web site:-
You must have a motor vehicle repair certificate if you CARRY ON THE
BUSINESS of motor vehicle repair work as prescribed under the Motor
Vehicle Repairers Regulations in Western Australia.
    OWN a repair business and do repair work or SUPERVISE the repair
work of others; or
    SUPERVISE the repair work of others; or
    works under a supervisor who does not have a certificate for the
same class of repair work that you do; or
    do repair work UNSUPERVISED.
So, as long as the boss has a licence, you don't need one in W.A.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

*Same* in NSW...

--
If you`re the smartest person in the room, you`re in the wrong room!.

Daryl

2024-07-28 10:32:08 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It doesn't now but it would be interesting if it became a closed trade
like plumbing etc, doubt that that will ever happen though.

Post by Noddy
It's like having a red union card. You can be as qualified and
experienced as you like, but you can't get on the job site and earn a
living unless you have the card. Having one doesn't make you any good.
It just means you have the right to work.

It may do.

Only if it was a closed trade.

Post by Noddy
I don't know if it's made any significant difference to the cost of
repair work in WA/NSW compared to here. I think the point is more one of
it not having shown to make any appreciable difference to *anything*.

Most likely nothing changed.

Post by Noddy
A couple of posts ago I asked Felix to demonstrate how the licensing
systems have made difference to the quality of work in WA & NSW compared
to other states where no such licensing system exists and he hasn't come
back with anything which I can only conclude means that despite the
noise he's made on the subject he's not been able to find anything
credible to support his ignorant bias :)

Post by Daryl
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would improve
if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the power of
unions in various trades rather than standards.

Government revenue raising has a lot to do with it, but there is also a
case to be made where governments introduce policies to placate the
public by being *seen* to be doing something regardless of how effective
(or not) that something may be.
Take the licensing system in Western Australia for example.

Post by Daryl
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/motor-vehicle-repairers-certificate

The only requirement for someone who holds an existing trade
qualification to obtain a license in WA is for one to fill in the
relevant form, provide a photo ID, a current police check and pay the
appropriate fee. Anyone holding any automotive trade qualification from
Australia, New Zealand or any other recognised country needs to do
nothing more than that, and in fact the license is no more difficult to
obtain that it is to get a "working with children" certificate to become
a teacher's aid in a Primary school.
You do not have your skills assessed, Despite the chest beating noise
made by the resident clog wearing circus freak the last time this
bullshit came up in conversation. The *only* time such assessments are
necessary are if you hold qualifications from countries that aren't
formally recognised, or you have experience without formal qualification.
It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified applicants
were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks obtaining a license
makles the *slightest* bit of difference where "weeds out the shonks" is
concerned is a total mystery :)

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic namby-pamby
hand holders.

Very little doubt about that, the subject of this thread, the SA new
license for high performance cars is exactly that.
BTW I had lunch today with my youngest and his partner who is an
accountant, she has applied for a new job so I asked her if her
prospective new employer asked to see her university qualifications, she
replied no, she has never been asked by any employer to prove that she
is a qualified accountant yet they are happy to employ her in that role,
go figure:-)

--
Daryl

Xeno

2024-07-28 10:48:16 UTC

Post by Noddy
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing
systems make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the
expert tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the
difference between plastic and glass could be considered "competent"
and *not* removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It doesn't now but it would be interesting if it became a closed trade
like plumbing etc, doubt that that will ever happen though.

Post by Daryl
Of course Felix wouldn't like it because the cost of car repairs
would go up significantly if mechanics was a closed trade like
plumbing etc, I'd be very happy to hang my qualifications on the wall
then charge people like Felix $350.00 an hour to work on their cars:-)

It may do.

Only if it was a closed trade.

Post by Noddy
I don't know if it's made any significant difference to the cost of
repair work in WA/NSW compared to here. I think the point is more one
of it not having shown to make any appreciable difference to *anything*.

Most likely nothing changed.

Post by Noddy
A couple of posts ago I asked Felix to demonstrate how the licensing
systems have made difference to the quality of work in WA & NSW
compared to other states where no such licensing system exists and he
hasn't come back with anything which I can only conclude means that
despite the noise he's made on the subject he's not been able to find
anything credible to support his ignorant bias :)

Post by Daryl
Agree there is bugger all reason to think that standards would
improve if mechanics were licensed, licensing is more about the power
of unions in various trades rather than standards.

Government revenue raising has a lot to do with it, but there is also
a case to be made where governments introduce policies to placate the
public by being *seen* to be doing something regardless of how
effective (or not) that something may be.
Take the licensing system in Western Australia for example.

Post by Daryl
https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/consumer-protection/motor-vehicle-repairers-certificate

The only requirement for someone who holds an existing trade
qualification to obtain a license in WA is for one to fill in the
relevant form, provide a photo ID, a current police check and pay the
appropriate fee. Anyone holding any automotive trade qualification
from Australia, New Zealand or any other recognised country needs to
do nothing more than that, and in fact the license is no more
difficult to obtain that it is to get a "working with children"
certificate to become a teacher's aid in a Primary school.
You do not have your skills assessed, Despite the chest beating noise
made by the resident clog wearing circus freak the last time this
bullshit came up in conversation. The *only* time such assessments are
necessary are if you hold qualifications from countries that aren't
formally recognised, or you have experience without formal qualification.
It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified
applicants were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks
obtaining a license makles the *slightest* bit of difference where
"weeds out the shonks" is concerned is a total mystery :)

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

You are too stupid to understand how it works with degrees. No one, I
repeat no one, takes a piece of paper as gospel. They can be faked. You
submit a resume stating you possess a degree, the veracity of said
degree will be verified by the expedient of a simple phone call to the
university concerned. You won't even be involved in that process. Ditto
with a trade certificate - each has a unique number and will be verified
by a call to a relevant automotive organisation like the VACC. There it
will be verified against the on line data. Been there, done that.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy

2024-07-28 12:06:54 UTC

Post by Noddy
It's as simple as that, and in the case of existing qualified
applicants were no assessment is ever made, how anyone thinks
obtaining a license makles the *slightest* bit of difference where
"weeds out the shonks" is concerned is a total mystery :)

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Well, he's stupid enough to not know the difference between plastic and
glass, so I imagine he thinks may fairy tales are actually real :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

Indeed.

I've employed people. You've employed people. We both know many people
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to. Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about, and that's been the experience
of just about everyone I know as well.

When you hire someone you're not employing their resume. You're
employing their experience. *That's* what's important, and if the two
self imposed judges of all things theoretical had ever employed anyone
themselves they would *know* that :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 12:31:39 UTC

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Well, he's stupid enough to not know the difference between plastic and
glass, so I imagine he thinks may fairy tales are actually real :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

Very little doubt about that, the subject of this thread, the SA new
license for high performance cars is exactly that.
BTW I had lunch today with my youngest and his partner who is an
accountant, she has applied for a new job so I asked her if her
prospective new employer asked to see her university qualifications,
she replied no, she has never been asked by any employer to prove that
she is a qualified accountant yet they are happy to employ her in that
role, go figure:-)

Indeed.
I've employed people. You've employed people. We both know many people

Prove it!

Post by Noddy
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to. Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about, and that's been the experience
of just about everyone I know as well.

Prove it!

Post by Noddy
When you hire someone you're not employing their resume. You're
employing their experience. *That's* what's important, and if the two
self imposed judges of all things theoretical had ever employed anyone
themselves they would *know* that :)

Thank you for proving you've never employed anyone. You don't even know
what a resumé is for!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Daryl

2024-07-28 12:43:52 UTC

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Well, he's stupid enough to not know the difference between plastic and
glass, so I imagine he thinks may fairy tales are actually real :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

Very little doubt about that, the subject of this thread, the SA new
license for high performance cars is exactly that.
BTW I had lunch today with my youngest and his partner who is an
accountant, she has applied for a new job so I asked her if her
prospective new employer asked to see her university qualifications,
she replied no, she has never been asked by any employer to prove that
she is a qualified accountant yet they are happy to employ her in that
role, go figure:-)

Indeed.
I've employed people. You've employed people. We both know many people
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to. Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about, and that's been the experience
of just about everyone I know as well.
When you hire someone you're not employing their resume. You're
employing their experience. *That's* what's important, and if the two
self imposed judges of all things theoretical had ever employed anyone
themselves they would *know* that :)

As well as that when we employed people they were always told that they
were on a months paid trial, if they didn't or couldn't do what we
needed then they were gone.
We once made the mistake of advertising cleaning jobs on Facebook, we
were inundated with hundreds of applications, I remember one woman
saying that she had a PhD in something or other but desperately needed a
job so she was willing to do anything, the funny thing was this highly
qualified person lived in Dandenong but the part time minimum wage job
was in Manor Lakes 10km past Werribee, a supposedly educated qualified
person couldn't figure out that the cost of traveling to and from the
job was almost as much as it paid.
So much for an education with a PhD:-)

--
Daryl

Xeno

2024-07-28 12:53:02 UTC

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Well, he's stupid enough to not know the difference between plastic
and glass, so I imagine he thinks may fairy tales are actually real :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic
namby-pamby hand holders.

Very little doubt about that, the subject of this thread, the SA new
license for high performance cars is exactly that.
BTW I had lunch today with my youngest and his partner who is an
accountant, she has applied for a new job so I asked her if her
prospective new employer asked to see her university qualifications,
she replied no, she has never been asked by any employer to prove
that she is a qualified accountant yet they are happy to employ her
in that role, go figure:-)

Indeed.
I've employed people. You've employed people. We both know many people
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to. Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about, and that's been the
experience of just about everyone I know as well.
When you hire someone you're not employing their resume. You're
employing their experience. *That's* what's important, and if the two
self imposed judges of all things theoretical had ever employed anyone
themselves they would *know* that :)

As well as that when we employed people they were always told that they
were on a months paid trial, if they didn't or couldn't do what we
needed then they were gone.

Yeah but you were employing *cleaners*. AFAIAA, there are no
apprenticeships involved in becoming a cleaner, no certificates, just a
few hours training in wielding a feather duster, a broom and a mop.
Maybe a bit of chemical cleaner recognition, but that'd pretty much
cover it. So, a paid trial would be the *only* way, aside from
*references*, you could get any idea of their worth.

Post by Daryl
We once made the mistake of advertising cleaning jobs on Facebook, we
were inundated with hundreds of applications, I remember one woman
saying that she had a PhD in something or other but desperately needed a
job so she was willing to do anything, the funny thing was this highly
qualified person lived in Dandenong but the part time minimum wage job
was in Manor Lakes 10km past Werribee, a supposedly educated qualified
person couldn't figure out that the cost of traveling to and from the
job was almost as much as it paid.
So much for an education with a PhD:-)

You're in no danger of ever getting a PhD.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy

2024-07-28 13:50:16 UTC

As well as that when we employed people they were always told that they
were on a months paid trial, if they didn't or couldn't do what we
needed then they were gone.

Exactly. Their qualifications don't mean shit. Their performance is what
matters.

Heh :)

I don't think that's all that uncommon with highly educated people.
Their focus tends to be very intense but over an extremely narrow beam
resulting in people who are often excellent in their specialised area
but clueless at anything else.

My Orthopaedic surgeon is a bit like that. He's certainly not ckueless,
but he gets excited about the most mundane things. For example, I had to
go see him last month as I'm due for some repair work, and whenever I
catch up with him he gets excited talking about non "doctor" stuff. On
my last visit he spent a good 10 minutes excitedly telling me how proud
of himself he was that he's soldered a broken wire back onto his
wireless antenna. I mean he went into all the detail about watching
Youtube vids about what he needed to use, what process he should follow,
and how amazed he was at how it all happened right in front of him just
like in the video's. He was specifically impressed by how easily the
solder attached itself to the wire when flux was used. He seemed to
think it was some kind of ancient alchemy.

This is a guy who cuts people open and installs prosthetic joints for a
living.... :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 13:52:22 UTC

As well as that when we employed people they were always told that
they were on a months paid trial, if they didn't or couldn't do what
we needed then they were gone.

Exactly. Their qualifications don't mean shit. Their performance is what
matters.

Post by Daryl
We once made the mistake of advertising cleaning jobs on Facebook, we
were inundated with hundreds of applications, I remember one woman
saying that she had a PhD in something or other but desperately needed
a job so she was willing to do anything, the funny thing was this
highly qualified person lived in Dandenong but the part time minimum
wage job was in Manor Lakes 10km past Werribee, a supposedly educated
qualified person couldn't figure out that the cost of traveling to and
from the job was almost as much as it paid.
So much for an education with a PhD:-)

Heh :)
I don't think that's all that uncommon with highly educated people.
Their focus tends to be very intense but over an extremely narrow beam
resulting in people who are often excellent in their specialised area
but clueless at anything else.
My Orthopaedic surgeon is a bit like that. He's certainly not ckueless,
but he gets excited about the most mundane things. For example, I had to
go see him last month as I'm due for some repair work, and whenever I
catch up with him he gets excited talking about non "doctor" stuff. On
my last visit he spent a good 10 minutes excitedly telling me how proud
of himself he was that he's soldered a broken wire back onto his
wireless antenna. I mean he went into all the detail about watching
Youtube vids about what he needed to use, what process he should follow,
and how amazed he was at how it all happened right in front of him just
like in the video's. He was specifically impressed by how easily the
solder attached itself to the wire when flux was used. He seemed to
think it was some kind of ancient alchemy.
This is a guy who cuts people open and installs prosthetic joints for a
living.... :)

Well Darren, for him that was a *new experience*, just like doing an
apprenticeship would be a *new experience* for you.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

alvey

2024-07-28 21:33:30 UTC

As well as that when we employed people they were always told that
they were on a months paid trial, if they didn't or couldn't do what
we needed then they were gone.

Exactly. Their qualifications don't mean shit. Their performance is what
matters.

Fresh stats from the ABS.

Postgraduate qualifications: $1,893 per week
Graduate diploma/certificate: $1,726 per week
Bachelor degree: $1,578 per week
Certificate III/IV: $1,342 per week
Advanced diploma: $1,300 per week
Certificate I/II/other: $1,174 per week
No post-school qualifications: $988 per week

HTH

snip Fraudster Convenient Personal Anecdote #1,816

alvey

Keithr0

2024-07-28 22:55:01 UTC

Maybe he thinks that being "qualified and licensed" magically stops
crooks from being crooks:-)

Well, he's stupid enough to not know the difference between plastic
and glass, so I imagine he thinks may fairy tales are actually real :)

Post by Daryl
In other parts of the world such as the UK or the US its considered
normal for people do their own house wiring yet its illegal here.

That's because this country has been overrun by bureaucratic namby-
pamby hand holders.

Very little doubt about that, the subject of this thread, the SA new
license for high performance cars is exactly that.
BTW I had lunch today with my youngest and his partner who is an
accountant, she has applied for a new job so I asked her if her
prospective new employer asked to see her university qualifications,
she replied no, she has never been asked by any employer to prove
that she is a qualified accountant yet they are happy to employ her
in that role, go figure:-)

Indeed.
I've employed people. You've employed people. We both know many people
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to. Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about, and that's been the
experience of just about everyone I know as well.
When you hire someone you're not employing their resume. You're
employing their experience. *That's* what's important, and if the two
self imposed judges of all things theoretical had ever employed anyone
themselves they would *know* that :)

My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about something,
but very little about life in general.

Noddy

2024-07-29 01:10:36 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about something,
but very little about life in general.

Same. Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

alvey

2024-07-29 01:35:51 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about something,
but very little about life in general.

Same.

There's a surprise...

Post by Noddy
Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

There isn't a Bullshit Meter in the world capable of reading that
without exploding. In laughter.

Why don't you lot just accept what you were dealt instead of this
continual, feeble and strange bleat? I say "strange" as it's pretty
weird to postulate that because someone is way above average in one
field that they're going to be numpties in everything else. Move on.

hth

alvey

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:48:47 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about something,
but very little about life in general.

Same. Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

What experience with PhDs have you had Darren? The object of their scorn?

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:21:06 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about
something, but very little about life in general.

Same. Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

What experience with PhDs have you had Darren? The object of their scorn?

my sister has a PhD

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:39:14 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a reasonable
number, is that, in many cases, they know everything about
something, but very little about life in general.

Same. Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

What experience with PhDs have you had Darren? The object of their scorn?

my sister has a PhD

Appreciate you sharing that, but how that's relevant to anything being
discussed here I'm fucked if I know.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 03:34:57 UTC

Post by Keithr0
My experience with PhDs, and I've known and worked with a
reasonable number, is that, in many cases, they know everything
about something, but very little about life in general.

Same. Intensely focused, but over a very narrow spread.

What experience with PhDs have you had Darren? The object of their scorn?

my sister has a PhD

Appreciate you sharing that, but how that's relevant to anything being
discussed here I'm fucked if I know.

it's obvious there are many things you don't understand, and likely
never will..

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 03:52:14 UTC

Post by Noddy
Appreciate you sharing that, but how that's relevant to anything being
discussed here I'm fucked if I know.

it's obvious there are many things you don't understand, and likely
never will..

I certainly don't understand you Felix, that's for sure. You continually
whine about being an "intelligent and logical conversationalist", yet
not on one single occasion have you ever done anything to demonstrate
that as being the case.

In fact the opposite is perpetually true....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

alvey

2024-07-28 21:19:57 UTC

Post by Noddy
I've employed people.

House cleaners and dog-washers don't count Fraudster.

Post by Noddy
You've employed people. We both know many people
who have been employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked
anyone to show their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked
to.

Well as the fabled NA of the SIA was located in Victoria credentials
weren't necessary.

Post by Noddy
Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see
if they know what they're talking about,

Errr, that's the same thing as credentials you blithering idiot.

Post by Noddy
and that's been the experience
of just about everyone I know as well.

And how is the wife?

This has to be a troll. Shirley Fraudster can't still believe that ***
ANYONE *** thinks that NA of the SIA was real.

alvey

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:31:59 UTC

Post by Noddy
I've employed people.

House cleaners and dog-washers don't count Fraudster.

Post by Noddy
You've employed people. We both know many people who have been
employed in a variety of roles. I've never once asked anyone to show
their credentials or know of anyone who has been asked to.

Well as the fabled NA of the SIA was located in Victoria credentials
weren't necessary.

Post by Noddy
Instead, I've asked about their work history and experience to see if
they know what they're talking about,

Errr, that's the same thing as credentials you blithering idiot.

Post by Noddy
and that's been the experience of just about everyone I know as well.

And how is the wife?

I wonder if his wife has managed to find her *claimed* (by Darren)
teaching degree paperwork yet? She should look in the same place Darren
keeps his trade papers - in his imagination.

This has to be a troll. Shirley Fraudster can't still believe that ***
ANYONE *** thinks that NA of the SIA was real.

As real as Darren's trade papers!

Post by alvey
alvey

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

alvey

2024-07-28 01:54:52 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

Why is that, Felix? Apart from raising revenue, what does licensing of
tradespeople actually achieve? Do you think it ensures a quality work
standard?
I know you're big on facts, so please take a moment to show how the
Licensing of mechanics in Western Australia and New South Wales results
in a higher average standard of work than it does in places like
Victoria, South Australia or Queensland?
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing systems
make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the expert
tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the difference
between plastic and glass could be considered "competent" and *not*
removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

Frankly Fraudster, that you have to ask betrays your monumental
stupidity. Perhaps you should divert some of the creative thinking that
you put into your fables into trying to comprehend reality.

alvey

Xeno

2024-07-28 03:35:54 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

Why is that, Felix? Apart from raising revenue, what does licensing of
tradespeople actually achieve? Do you think it ensures a quality work
standard?
I know you're big on facts, so please take a moment to show how the
Licensing of mechanics in Western Australia and New South Wales results
in a higher average standard of work than it does in places like
Victoria, South Australia or Queensland?
While you're at it, take a moment to explain how, if licensing systems
make it possible to weed out the shonks and leave only the expert
tradespeople in the system, someone who can't tell the difference
between plastic and glass could be considered "competent" and *not*
removed from the quality work pool?
In your own time will be fine....

It keeps lying shonks like you out of the trade. Job done!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-28 07:34:41 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
yes. plumbers, electricians, builders, etc., all have to be licensed,
mechanics should be too

Why is that, Felix? Apart from raising revenue,

It's a one time fee that costs a tiny fraction of one fuck-up (ref Les)
and which protects consumers from unscrupulous shonks blame shifting
their way out of paying for it.

That's why.

Clocky

2024-07-27 13:00:25 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much training
you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for it
to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining is
always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

Keithr0

2024-07-27 22:15:04 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining is
always the same.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 00:31:24 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be just
whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion licencing of
motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of automotive services to
the motoring public?

--
Have a nice day!..

Keithr0

2024-07-28 02:32:56 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a
vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a
special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called for
it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter, I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I
bought it from.As Mazda main dealers, they have every incentive to do a
good job. I take the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them, and which
was recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the
mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a
reasonable job.

When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 03:00:56 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

Post by Keithr0
I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I bought it from. As Mazda main
dealers, they have every incentive to do a good job. I take the MX-5
to a shop that specialises in them, and which was recommended to me by
members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the mechanics in either place
licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-28 04:01:27 UTC

Post by Keithr0
I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

What, as opposed to being a sock puppet echo box for the two biggest
pseudo experts this group has ever known?

Just as an aside Felix, how much of the "Jerky & Mental case" show do
you understand? I mean, *really* understand?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

What, you mean he avoided it like you're doing right now? :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Keithr0

2024-07-28 06:01:19 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I have made
up my mind, and decided that I don't care. Is that so hard to understand
for you?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 08:43:39 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275
Kw/tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and
operating automotive businesses - and that was definitely a
good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be just
whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion licencing
of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of automotive
services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

no wonder you're mates with noddy, you're both pompous pricks

Post by Keithr0
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I have
made up my mind, and decided that I don't care.

sitting on the fence means not committing to a position, which is
precisely what you've done, as you always do.

Post by Keithr0
Is that so hard to understand for you?

Is that so hard to understand for you?

Post by Keithr0
I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I bought it from. As Mazda main
dealers, they have every incentive to do a good job. I take the MX-5
to a shop that specialises in them, and which was recommended to me
by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the mechanics in either
place licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

no, I don't know, but whoever does it I assume is capable of doing it,
or they wouldn't be allowed to, since they'd be under the control and
supervision of the workshop manager.

--
Have a nice day!..

Keithr0

2024-07-28 10:21:39 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/
tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and
operating automotive businesses - and that was definitely a
good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be just
whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion licencing
of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of automotive
services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

no wonder you're mates with noddy, you're both pompous pricks

ROTFL, what does that make your mate xeno then? He's the master of pomp.

Post by Keithr0
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I have
made up my mind, and decided that I don't care.

sitting on the fence means not committing to a position, which is
precisely what you've done, as you always do.

The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has no
relevance to me at all.

Obviously, for you, that is so hard to understand?

Post by Mighty Mouse
Is that so hard to understand for you?

Post by Keithr0
I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I bought it from. As Mazda main
dealers, they have every incentive to do a good job. I take the MX-5
to a shop that specialises in them, and which was recommended to me
by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the mechanics in either
place licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

no, I don't know, but whoever does it I assume is capable of doing it,
or they wouldn't be allowed to, since they'd be under the control and
supervision of the workshop manager.

I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or inclination
to check every job.

I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant portion
were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

Noddy

2024-07-28 11:49:42 UTC

Post by Keithr0
Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

no, I don't know, but whoever does it I assume is capable of doing it,
or they wouldn't be allowed to, since they'd be under the control and
supervision of the workshop manager.

And there he is. The master of gullibility and ignorance hard at it as
usual. No idea of the subject matter at all, but it never stops him from
having an opinion.

Or is that a "fact"? :)

Post by Keithr0
I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or inclination
to check every job.

I'd be surprised if they checked *any* jobs. Generally a workshop
manager's role is not to check jobs, but to check people. To ensure that
the people tasked with specific jobs are getting them done at the
required rate.

Post by Keithr0
I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant portion
were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

When have they ever been?

I've been saying it my whole adult life. Qualifications are no guarantee
of competency, and there are *plenty* of qualified people who don't know
their arse from their elbow. We have two fine examples of that very
phenomena in this group.

Felix, being the gullible twat that he is, thinks that licensing
mechanics will make for a better average standard of work, but despite
that belief he seems to be completely incapable of showing exactly how
that would be the case. He also seems to be completely oblivious to the
*fact* that a license does not automatically make someone competent.

All he has to do to see that notion in practice is drive his car and
look at some of the "licensed fuckwits" he shares the roads with.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 12:28:27 UTC

Post by Keithr0
Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

no, I don't know, but whoever does it I assume is capable of doing
it, or they wouldn't be allowed to, since they'd be under the control
and supervision of the workshop manager.

And there he is. The master of gullibility and ignorance hard at it as
usual. No idea of the subject matter at all, but it never stops him from
having an opinion.
Or is that a "fact"? :)

Post by Keithr0
I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or inclination
to check every job.

Post by Keithr0
I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant
portion were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

Daryl and who else? Of course you've been saying this your whole adult
life - because you couldn't even qualify to sign up to any
apprenticeship ever at the age of 15. You fled from tech school,
remember? Didn't complete year 9, that was how you *ensured* an
apprenticeship was never going to figure in *your future*. And it
didn't, as confirmed by Govt. archives!

Post by Noddy
Felix, being the gullible twat that he is, thinks that licensing
mechanics will make for a better average standard of work, but despite
that belief he seems to be completely incapable of showing exactly how
that would be the case. He also seems to be completely oblivious to the
*fact* that a license does not automatically make someone competent.

No Darren, doing the *apprenticeship*, and completing it, does that! The
piece of paper is confirmation that an apprenticeship has been completed
and the recipient can operate to the standard required.

Post by Noddy
All he has to do to see that notion in practice is drive his car and
look at some of the "licensed fuckwits" he shares the roads with.

No comparison Darren!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

alvey

2024-07-28 21:39:55 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

alvey

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 22:51:18 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

indeed. how could it possibly have an adverse effect

Post by alvey
alvey

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 01:40:44 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

indeed. how could it possibly have an adverse effect

This is yet *another* fabulous example of you demonstrating how you have
zero ability to follow a basic conversation.

In case you're struggling to work this out, and it looks like you are,
*no one* has stated that they believe introducing a licensing system for
Mechanics in Victoria will make things worse with regards to
work/quality standards. What they're saying is that they don't believe
it will make any difference whatsoever.

You believe that doing so will improve the average work/quality
standards, and you were asked what you based this view on. As usual you
offered nothing to support your view so it was suggested to you that
perhaps you could show a comparison between the licensed states of WA &
NSW compared to the non licensed states of Vic, SA & QLD to see if there
was any credible data showing how the licensing scheme in those states
had resulted in a better average standard than the non licensed ones.

But to date you've not done so, and as far as I can tell there are only
two reasons for that: You're either too lazy to look, or you *have*
looked and found nothing to support your claim.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:51:38 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

indeed. how could it possibly have an adverse effect

It will keep shonks like you out, that's a real plus.

Post by Noddy
You believe that doing so will improve the average work/quality
standards, and you were asked what you based this view on. As usual you

Given what you did to Les' engine, yes, it will improve the average
work/quality standards if shonky cockheads like you are excluded from
the trade.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-29 02:12:46 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

indeed. how could it possibly have an adverse effect

Really. Well to disprove that, all felix (as an example) needs to do is
to claim he is a mechanic and start working on cars.

There is nothing stopping him doing that in Victoria, since it's exactly
what you did.

How do you reconcile your argument that licensing, which guarantees that
your mechanic is at the very minimum trade qualified and further that
the consumer is protected by law won't make a difference whatsoever?

OTY blowhard.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:29:38 UTC

So how would you prove your opposite belief Fraudster?

indeed. how could it possibly have an adverse effect

Really. Well to disprove that, all felix (as an example) needs to do
is to claim he is a mechanic and start working on cars.

yes. and I will be shortly. I need to replace a busted tail light.

Post by Clocky
There is nothing stopping him doing that in Victoria, since it's
exactly what you did.
How do you reconcile your argument that licensing, which guarantees
that your mechanic is at the very minimum trade qualified and further
that the consumer is protected by law won't make a difference whatsoever?
OTY blowhard.

--
Have a nice day!..

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 22:05:01 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275
Kw/ tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and
operating automotive businesses - and that was definitely a
good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that
called for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be
just whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion
licencing of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of
automotive services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

no wonder you're mates with noddy, you're both pompous pricks

ROTFL, what does that make your mate xeno then? He's the master of pomp.

Post by Keithr0
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I have
made up my mind, and decided that I don't care.

sitting on the fence means not committing to a position, which is
precisely what you've done, as you always do.

The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has no
relevance to me at all.

that is not taking a position on the issue, that is avoidance of a
position. you criticise the position others have, but refuse to have one
yourself. if you're not willing to take a position on the matter, then
stfu. you have no business commenting.

Post by Keithr0
Obviously, for you, that is so hard to understand?

Obviously, for you, that is so hard to understand.

Post by Mighty Mouse
Is that so hard to understand for you?

Post by Keithr0
I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I bought it from. As Mazda
main dealers, they have every incentive to do a good job. I take
the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them, and which was
recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the
mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they both
do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job
is being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first
year apprentice?

duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question.

Duly noted that you don't/won't/can't answer the question that I just asked.

no, I don't know, but whoever does it I assume is capable of doing
it, or they wouldn't be allowed to, since they'd be under the control
and supervision of the workshop manager.

I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or inclination
to check every job.

they don't need to. they would have already ensured that the jobs are
being done by persons who are capable and competent to do them

Post by Keithr0
I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant
portion were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

--
Have a nice day!..

alvey

2024-07-28 23:11:32 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275
Kw/ tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and
operating automotive businesses - and that was definitely a
good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that
called for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be
just whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion
licencing of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of
automotive services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

no wonder you're mates with noddy, you're both pompous pricks

ROTFL, what does that make your mate xeno then? He's the master of pomp.

Post by Keithr0
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I have
made up my mind, and decided that I don't care.

sitting on the fence means not committing to a position, which is
precisely what you've done, as you always do.

The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has no
relevance to me at all.

I'd disagree with that felix. Like everyone else, Ol' Splinters can
comment on whatever he likes, the problem with his comments is that
they're like the head of a river, they only flow one way. He's as
impartial as a Trump appointed judge.

snip

Post by Keithr0
I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant
portion were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

Oh ffs! I'm surprised this refrain hasn't been set to music yet.

To the best of my recollections no one has ever claimed that
"...guarantee of competence" bray. The germ of this long-running
argument was that Fraudster *repeatedly* claimed to have specific
qualifications, claims for which there is serious evidence that refutes
his statements. That, in a monstrous display of hypocrisy, he refuses to
provide any evidence to support his claims strongly boosts the
accusations credibility.

ok?

alvey

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:08:31 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275
Kw/ tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how
much training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped
frauds like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies
and operating automotive businesses - and that was
definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that
called for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be
just whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion
licencing of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of
automotive services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter,

no surprise there. as per usual you sit on the fence

You are extremely thick, I'll type this slowly so that you can keep up.

no wonder you're mates with noddy, you're both pompous pricks

ROTFL, what does that make your mate xeno then? He's the master of pomp.

Post by Keithr0
Sitting on the fence means that you can't make up your mind, I
have made up my mind, and decided that I don't care.

sitting on the fence means not committing to a position, which is
precisely what you've done, as you always do.

The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has
no relevance to me at all.

that is not taking a position on the issue, that is avoidance of a
position. you criticise the position others have, but refuse to have
one yourself. if you're not willing to take a position on the matter,
then stfu. you have no business commenting.

I'd disagree with that felix. Like everyone else, Ol' Splinters can
comment on whatever he likes,

sure but why criticise the opinion of others if you don't have one yourself?

Post by alvey
the problem with his comments is that they're like the head of a
river, they only flow one way. He's as impartial as a Trump appointed
judge.
snip

Post by Keithr0
I've worked with people with qualifications far above a mechanics
licence, many were motivated and trustworthy, but a significant
portion were useless, qualifications are not a guarantee of competence.

Oh ffs! I'm surprised this refrain hasn't been set to music yet.
To the best of my recollections no one has ever claimed that
"...guarantee of competence" bray.

it's a furphy invented and promoted by Darren & Co

Post by alvey
The germ of this long-running argument was that Fraudster *repeatedly*
claimed to have specific qualifications, claims for which there is
serious evidence that refutes his statements. That, in a monstrous
display of hypocrisy, he refuses to provide any evidence to support
his claims strongly boosts the accusations credibility.
ok?
alvey

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:53:44 UTC

Post by alvey
I'd disagree with that felix. Like everyone else, Ol' Splinters can
comment on whatever he likes,

sure but why criticise the opinion of others if you don't have one yourself?

ROTFL :)

That's what "conversation" is all about, Felix. You don't have to hold
an opinion on a given subject to disagree with something someone else
has said.

Serious question. How far did you go in school?

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 03:38:49 UTC

Post by alvey
I'd disagree with that felix. Like everyone else, Ol' Splinters can
comment on whatever he likes,

sure but why criticise the opinion of others if you don't have one yourself?

ROTFL :)
That's what "conversation" is all about, Felix. You don't have to hold
an opinion on a given subject to disagree with something someone else
has said.

if you disagree then you have an opinion

Post by Noddy
Serious question. How far did you go in school?

much further than you

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 03:54:42 UTC

Post by Mighty Mouse
sure but why criticise the opinion of others if you don't have one yourself?

ROTFL :)
That's what "conversation" is all about, Felix. You don't have to hold
an opinion on a given subject to disagree with something someone else
has said.

if you disagree then you have an opinion

You do this on purpose, don't you?

Post by Noddy
Serious question. How far did you go in school?

much further than you

I don't believe you.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Noddy

2024-07-29 01:48:10 UTC

Post by Keithr0
The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has no
relevance to me at all.

I really don't understand how you can be this utterly stupid. He *has*
taken a position here Felix. His position is that he doesn't care one
way or the other.

That's not refusing to take a position. That *is* his position. I
appreciate that it's difficult for you to get your simplistic head
around such matters, but one is not obligated to take a side on any
given subject. One can simply not give a shit, and *that* is their
position as far as the subject is concerned.

Seriously. Talking to you is like talking to a 6 year old....

Post by Keithr0
I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or inclination
to check every job.

they don't need to. they would have already ensured that the jobs are
being done by persons who are capable and competent to do them

Just out of curiosity here Felix, How many workshops have you personally
been in charge of?

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:53:53 UTC

Post by Keithr0
The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has no
relevance to me at all.

that is not taking a position on the issue, that is avoidance of a
position. you criticise the position others have, but refuse to have
one yourself. if you're not willing to take a position on the matter,
then stfu. you have no business commenting.

I really don't understand how you can be this utterly stupid. He *has*
taken a position here Felix. His position is that he doesn't care one
way or the other.

Not caring is the polar opposite of taking a position.

Post by Noddy
That's not refusing to take a position. That *is* his position. I
appreciate that it's difficult for you to get your simplistic head
around such matters, but one is not obligated to take a side on any
given subject. One can simply not give a shit, and *that* is their
position as far as the subject is concerned.
Seriously. Talking to you is like talking to a 6 year old....

Your wife would have a lot of experience like that - dealing with you.

Post by Keithr0
I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or
inclination to check every job.

they don't need to. they would have already ensured that the jobs are
being done by persons who are capable and competent to do them

Just out of curiosity here Felix, How many workshops have you personally
been in charge of?

In your case - none!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-29 02:02:42 UTC

Post by Keithr0
The position that I have committed to is that I don't care, it has
no relevance to me at all.

that is not taking a position on the issue, that is avoidance of a
position. you criticise the position others have, but refuse to have
one yourself. if you're not willing to take a position on the matter,
then stfu. you have no business commenting.

I really don't understand how you can be this utterly stupid.

well try harder then..

Post by Noddy
He *has* taken a position here Felix. His position is that he doesn't
care one way or the other.

it's not a position of the matter under discussion. ie. whether
mechanics licensing will improve the quality of automotive servicing and
repairs.

I could say talking to you is like talking to a crass bogan, but i would
be wrong. it *is* talking to one.

Post by Keithr0
I'll bet that the workshop manager has neither the time or
inclination to check every job.

they don't need to. they would have already ensured that the jobs are
being done by persons who are capable and competent to do them

Just out of curiosity here Felix, How many workshops have you
personally been in charge of?

--
Have a nice day!..

Noddy

2024-07-29 02:50:37 UTC

Post by Noddy
I really don't understand how you can be this utterly stupid.

well try harder then..

It makes no difference how hard anyone tries with you. You are
impossible to understand.

Post by Noddy
He *has* taken a position here Felix. His position is that he doesn't
care one way or the other.

it's not a position of the matter under discussion. ie. whether
mechanics licensing will improve the quality of automotive servicing and
repairs.

This is not a complex issue, but you seem to want to make it so. Whether
that's deliberate for the sake of it or out of sheer bloody ignorance is
the only point of contention here, and if I was to lay a bet it would be
on the latter being true.

His position is not to have an opinion Felix, and that is as valid as
you believing licensing will benefit the mechanical repair world and me
believing it will make no difference. He is not obligated to choose a
side, and the fact that you cannot see this not only defies belief, but
makes a mockery of any claim by you that you are an able and active
conversationalist.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-28 03:26:45 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

No licencing of mechanics in Queensland - yet.

Post by Keithr0
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Clocky

2024-07-28 08:58:28 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter, I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I
bought it from.As Mazda main dealers, they have every incentive to do a
good job. I take the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them, and which
was recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the
mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a
reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

Well done Sliemey, exactly the avoidance of questions that is expected
of you.

Keithr0

2024-07-28 10:22:54 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter, I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I
bought it from.As Mazda main dealers, they have every incentive to do
a good job. I take the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them, and
which was recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are
the mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they both
do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

Well done Sliemey, exactly the avoidance of questions that is expected
of you.

yada yada yada, not only are you childish, but exceedingly boring.

Mighty Mouse

2024-07-28 22:06:49 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody
driving a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275
Kw/tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-
licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds
like Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and
operating automotive businesses - and that was definitely a
good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

so since you consider the statements by clocky and xeno to be just
whining, can 'we' assume then that you're of the opinion licencing
of motor mechanics has no effect on the quality of automotive
services to the motoring public?

I have no opinion on the matter, I take the Maz3 to the dealers that
I bought it from.As Mazda main dealers, they have every incentive to
do a good job. I take the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them,
and which was recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club.
Are the mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they
both do a reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

Well done Sliemey, exactly the avoidance of questions that is
expected of you.

yada yada yada, not only are you childish, but exceedingly boring.

he's entirely correct

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Have a nice day!..

Daryl

2024-07-28 10:20:34 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving
a vehicle with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to
have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

Correction: that should read as "more than 275 Kw/tonne"

$61 to do an online learning module.
Fuckwits will drive like fuckwits irrespective of how much
training you make them do.

Exactly, the new license can't stop idiots being idiots.

Well, licencing motor mechanics in NSW and WA stopped frauds like
Darren claiming they were *qualified* tradies and operating
automotive businesses - and that was definitely a good thing.

It most certainly has been. And it's the *industry* that called
for it to protect consumers, not the government.

The obsessives strike again, the subject doesn't matter, the
whining is always the same.

Onya Sliemey.

The obsessive strikes again, the subject doesn't matter, the whining
is always the same.

I have no opinion on the matter, I take the Maz3 to the dealers that I
bought it from.As Mazda main dealers, they have every incentive to do a
good job. I take the MX-5 to a shop that specialises in them, and which
was recommended to me by members of the MX-5 owners club. Are the
mechanics in either place licenced? I have no idea, but they both do a
reasonable job.
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

I'd bet on the later, "experienced" mechanics working at a dealership
generally don't do basic servicing.

--
Daryl

Noddy

2024-07-29 01:49:40 UTC

Post by Keithr0
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

I'd bet on the later, "experienced" mechanics working at a dealership
generally don't do basic servicing.

I'll go you one better. Most mechanics working at dealerships are
unlikely to be "experienced" mechanics :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno

2024-07-29 01:54:57 UTC

Post by Keithr0
When you take your MG in for service, do you know whether the job is
being done by an experienced and qualified mechanic or a first year
apprentice?

I'd bet on the later, "experienced" mechanics working at a dealership
generally don't do basic servicing.

I'll go you one better. Most mechanics working at dealerships are
unlikely to be "experienced" mechanics :)

You know this how? You've never worked as a mechanic at dealerships.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Daryl

2024-07-27 00:40:29 UTC

Typical dumb Govt knee jerk reaction to a single event.
Sad that some idiot in a Lambo lost control and killed a 16yr old girl
but having a special license won't stop idiots being idiots.
Mate will need a special license to drive his Lotus 7 replica in SA
where he bought it from, its got 340kw per tonne:-)

--
Daryl

Keithr0

2024-07-27 04:33:45 UTC

From December, South Australia will require anybody driving a vehicle
with a power to weight ratio of 275 Kw/tonne to have a special "U" licence.
https://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence

I'm not sure what a multiple choice test that you can take over and over
does, the only real test would on the track. Mind you, finding some-one
willing to sit in the passenger seat assessing some LOMBARD with more
money than skill may be difficult.

Daryl

2024-07-27 04:39:06 UTC