My Tesla test drive

[Trevor Wilson]

Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model 3
(Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my experience:

It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered
inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She noted the
Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns
out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.

I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.

What I liked:

Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.

Quiet.

Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign says
25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is on. The
Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can
only manage around 20kph.

Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.

I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It took
a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.

I like the display of everything around the car at all times.

Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).

Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).

Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.

The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good and,
unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist on
coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.

What I didn't like:

The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the air
con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any day.

BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.

Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty hopeless.
The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it. Maybe 3 dozen
cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You wonder why I
love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck
a lounge suite into the Stagea.

The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and switches.
There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop and figure
stuff out. That said, I like some of the information displayed. It is
most impressive technology. Much has been written about the lack of an
indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with the buttons long
before the end of my 40 minute test drive.

No spare tyre, but I can buy one.

All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned good
value for money. $70k on the road.

[Trevor Wilson]

On 6/01/2025 3:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty

Post by Trevor Wilson
mountain road South of Sydney*).

** MacQuarie Pass:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_Pass

The actual MacQuarie Pass starts at around 4'13". Great piece of road.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model 3
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered
inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She noted the
Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns
out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign says
25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is on. The
Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can
only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It took
a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good and,
unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist on
coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the sales-
lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the air
con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty hopeless.
The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it. Maybe 3 dozen
cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You wonder why I
love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck
a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and switches.
There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop and figure
stuff out. That said, I like some of the information displayed. It is
most impressive technology. Much has been written about the lack of an
indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with the buttons long
before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned good
value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She
noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a
lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a
fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the
air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any
day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You
wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with
the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

In today's market, yes. You have caught Darren's disease, you know the
price of everything (SH) but the value of nothing. Yours is a skewed
viewpoint.

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

If you had ever been for a drive in one, maybe you would know. You're
still hooked up on Teslas having shit fit and finish - and Trev shot you
down in flames on that one. That's what you get for believing what you
*read*. Go for a drive in one Darren and get away from your life of
lies. Well, at least make a start!

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace. By
your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a 2023
model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated the lane
correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the Subaru
engineers about implementing the system properly.

[Noddy]

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Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace. By
your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a 2023
model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated the lane
correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the Subaru
engineers about implementing the system properly.

It's not *just* about space, but as someone who's buying criteria in
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it odd
that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of storage
space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the same price as
my 7 seat wagon.

[Trevor Wilson]

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All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace.
By your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a 2023
model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated the
lane correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the Subaru
engineers about implementing the system properly.

It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.

but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it odd
that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of storage
space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the same price as
my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles, the
Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD Model
3). At ANY price. For practicality, the Hi Ace nails it to the wall.

[Noddy]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
 but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles, the
Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD Model
3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a straight
line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and spend a
couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and pocket 50
grand in savings.

[Trevor Wilson]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD
Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way?

**Because it is a brand new car, with a full warranty, 5 star safety and
every modern convenience you can imagine. And then some. It handles,
brakes (automatically, when required) and goes very hard (and silently).

Because it accelerates quickly in a straight

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line?

**No. Because it does a whole lot of things very well and can be
registered and insured to run on NSW roads.

If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and spend a

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couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and pocket 50
grand in savings.

**Sure and, as I said to Dazza, I'm not comparing apples to house
bricks. For $70k, the Tesla Model 3 I drove is great value for money
(for a new car).

How many safety stars would an FG manage? 0.5, 1? Surely no more than
that. A Hi Ace has more safety stars.

[Xeno]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD
Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a straight
line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and spend a
couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and pocket 50
grand in savings.

Yeah but the Tesla goes round corners, the FG won't. I guess you think
that's where the *fun* comes in.

[MightyMouse]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact,
I could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST
AWD Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a
straight line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and
spend a couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and
pocket 50 grand in savings.

Yeah but the Tesla goes round corners, the FG won't. I guess you think
that's where the *fun* comes in.

LOL

[Clocky]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD
Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a straight
line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and spend a
couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and pocket 50
grand in savings.

The FG will fall apart around you. What a stupid comparison.

[MightyMouse]

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It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact,
I could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST
AWD Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a
straight line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and
spend a couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and
pocket 50 grand in savings.

The FG will fall apart around you. What a stupid comparison.

how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative to a
new Tesla

[Noddy]

Post by MightyMouse
how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative to a
new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind of
comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted to do was
accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

Of course none of them will have the wank factor of an electric vehicle,
but then maybe that's what he wants.

[MightyMouse]

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how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative to
a new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind of
comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted to do
was accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

why would you think that was ALL he was wanting to do?

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Of course none of them will have the wank factor of an electric
vehicle, but then maybe that's what he wants.

anyone who buys one is a wanker. it makes more sense to buy a hybrid, or
wait for the prices and battery technology to improve considerably

[Noddy]

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how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative to
a new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind of
comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted to do
was accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

why would you think that was ALL he was wanting to do?

Trevor has often made a big noise about 0-100 performance, and cites it
as "Ferrari like". He's placed great emphasis on acceleration
performance as being important, and a turbocharged 6 cylinder Falcon
will give him that experience for a whole lot less than a Tesla.

[Xeno]

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how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative to
a new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind of
comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted to do
was accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

why would you think that was ALL he was wanting to do?

Trevor has often made a big noise about 0-100 performance, and cites it
as "Ferrari like". He's placed great emphasis on acceleration
performance as being important, and a turbocharged 6 cylinder Falcon
will give him that experience for a whole lot less than a Tesla.

It will give him a *primitive cave-man like experience*

There's a reason the FG is dead and buried Darren. No one wanted them.

[Mighty Mouse]

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how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative
to a new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind
of comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted
to do was accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

why would you think that was ALL he was wanting to do?

Trevor has often made a big noise about 0-100 performance, and cites
it as "Ferrari like". He's placed great emphasis on acceleration
performance as being important, and a turbocharged 6 cylinder Falcon
will give him that experience for a whole lot less than a Tesla.

It will give him a *primitive cave-man like experience*

well, noddy would be familiar with that!  :)

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There's a reason the FG is dead and buried Darren. No one wanted them.

early fords were VERY badly made cars.

[Noddy]

Post by Mighty Mouse
early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

[jonz]

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early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

He*wouldn`t*know, 2008> is *early*Ford according to him!.

[MightyMouse]

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early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily put
together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a Cortina. he
had nothing but trouble with it.

[Noddy]

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Post by Noddy

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early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily put
together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a Cortina. he
had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

[Daryl]

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Post by Mighty Mouse
early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily put
together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a Cortina.
he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

Of all the cars I've owned and sold the one I want back the most is the
Cortina, Mk1 GT to be precise, great little fun car and very reliable
when compared to other cars of the same era.
Cortina was sold in Australia for about 20yrs with lots of different
models so without knowing what model he's talking about its impossible
to say whether or not his mates Cortina model was trouble or not.
Some were, most weren't.

[Noddy]

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Post by MightyMouse
Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily
put together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a Cortina.
he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

Of all the cars I've owned and sold the one I want back the most is the
Cortina, Mk1 GT to be precise, great little fun car and very reliable
when compared to other cars of the same era.
Cortina was sold in Australia for about 20yrs with lots of different
models so without knowing what model he's talking about its impossible
to say whether or not his mates Cortina model was trouble or not.
Some were, most weren't.

Which is exactly what you could say about anything.

I've had a couple of Escorts, ranging from a Mk.1 van to an RS 2000, a
few Cortinas from a Mk.II "Mini XW" to a TD 250 4 speed and a TF 200
auto and I never had an ounce of trouble out of any of them. Only
English Ford of the Era that I really didn't like was the Capri V6. I
*wanted* to like it, as I always thought the Capri was a great looking
car and it still looks awesome today, but the 6 was gutless and
incredibly disappointing. 6 cylinder Lj Torana's crapped all over it in
terms of driving fun.

As for Felix, his current choice of car suggests that he wouldn't know a
good car from a bad one if you took one of each and rammed them up his
pig ignorant arse.

[Moffs]

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Post by MightyMouse
Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily
put together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a
Cortina. he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

Of all the cars I've owned and sold the one I want back the most is
the Cortina, Mk1 GT to be precise, great little fun car and very
reliable when compared to other cars of the same era.
Cortina was sold in Australia for about 20yrs with lots of different
models so without knowing what model he's talking about its impossible
to say whether or not his mates Cortina model was trouble or not.
Some were, most weren't.

Which is exactly what you could say about anything.
I've had a couple of Escorts, ranging from a Mk.1 van to an RS 2000, a
few Cortinas from a Mk.II "Mini XW" to a TD 250 4 speed and a TF 200
auto...

Got any proof of that Fraudster? You do have history of telling big, fat
lies.

Post by Noddy
and I never had an ounce of trouble out of any of them.

Gasp! Who could have possibly guessed that this... 'convenient'
recollection would have fitted his pov as snugly as Richo's head fits
his arse.



alvey
Oh, and as the Capri V6 ceased production in 1972 one wonders about
Fraudsters recollections. Him being 9 at the time. And then there's my
humble opinion on the V6, being that of someone who regularly drove one.
Fraudster is talking rubbish.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily put
together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a Cortina.
he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords were
dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise, rattles,
squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or Repair Daily -
that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps - and left there.

A hint - never ever work in the *warranty department* at a Ford
dealership. Fords, back in the 70s, were a litany of poor design and
unreliability. The best Ford cockup I ever saw was with the flow through
ventilation system on the TC Cortina. As you should know, in normal
cars, the air flows in through the windscreen scuttle vent, through the
heater, into the cabin and out the rear door vents. Except, on the TC,
and the wagon especially so, the flow was reversed. Didn't take long for
the car to fill with dust if the owner needed to traverse gravel roads.
Ask the engineers, I don't know how they managed that, I was just tasked
to deal with the issue. The *factory fix*! Remove exit vent cover (a
plastic POS), mask the vent with gaffa tape, refit vent. Problem solved
- no back flow - but no through flow either. And this was the *factory
fix*??? Oh, I forgot, as unqualified you wouldn't be doing mechanical
work, you would be out in the wash bay prepping new cars and informing
the mechanic where the water leaks were.

A few years later, when first in Melbourne, Melford were advertising for
mechanics. I applied for and succeeded in getting a job. On the way home
from the interview, after being given a start date, I pondered over my
previous Ford dealership experiences, thought "bugger this" and found a
much better job a kilometre down the road that sufficed until I began my
teaching career.

As a *qualified tradie* Darren, I could get a job anywhere and
everywhere. You, on the other hand, as an unqualified lackey, were stuck
with TA jobs.

https://club.shannons.com.au/club/news/classic-garage/ford-cortina-tctd-great-expectations-not-met/

[MightyMouse]

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Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily
put together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a
Cortina. he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords were
dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise, rattles,
squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or Repair Daily
- that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps - and left there.

of course. everyone knows they are, except noddy apparently

Post by Xeno
A hint - never ever work in the *warranty department* at a Ford
dealership. Fords, back in the 70s, were a litany of poor design and
unreliability.

yep. I had so many issues with the Escort Van I lost count. once I
parked it outside in a rainstorm and the floor on the driver and
passenger side filled with water! there were some panels in front that
didn't fit properly and weren't stopped up with gunk like they should
have been that allowed water in.

Post by Xeno
The best Ford cockup I ever saw was with the flow through ventilation
system on the TC Cortina. As you should know, in normal cars, the air
flows in through the windscreen scuttle vent, through the heater, into
the cabin and out the rear door vents. Except, on the TC, and the
wagon especially so, the flow was reversed. Didn't take long for the
car to fill with dust if the owner needed to traverse gravel roads.
Ask the engineers, I don't know how they managed that, I was just
tasked to deal with the issue. The *factory fix*! Remove exit vent
cover (a plastic POS), mask the vent with gaffa tape, refit vent.
Problem solved - no back flow - but no through flow either. And this
was the *factory fix*??? Oh, I forgot, as unqualified you wouldn't be
doing mechanical work, you would be out in the wash bay prepping new
cars and informing the mechanic where the water leaks were.
A few years later, when first in Melbourne, Melford were advertising
for mechanics. I applied for and succeeded in getting a job. On the
way home from the interview, after being given a start date, I
pondered over my previous Ford dealership experiences, thought "bugger
this" and found a much better job a kilometre down the road that
sufficed until I began my teaching career.
As a *qualified tradie* Darren, I could get a job anywhere and
everywhere. You, on the other hand, as an unqualified lackey, were
stuck with TA jobs.
https://club.shannons.com.au/club/news/classic-garage/ford-cortina-tctd-great-expectations-not-met/

[Xeno]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Mighty Mouse
early fords were VERY badly made cars.

Just out of curiosity Felix, how the hell would you know? :)

Well since you asked.. they had a reputation for it. very shoddily
put together. plus the fact that I owned one, an Escort Van. it
systematically fell to bits from the word go. I had it back to the
dealers soooo many times. but even before this, a mate had a
Cortina. he had nothing but trouble with it.

That settles it then. Your sample of one .....

I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords were
dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise, rattles,
squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or Repair Daily
- that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps - and left there.

of course. everyone knows they are, except noddy apparently

Post by Xeno
A hint - never ever work in the *warranty department* at a Ford
dealership. Fords, back in the 70s, were a litany of poor design and
unreliability.

yep. I had so many issues with the Escort Van I lost count. once I
parked it outside in a rainstorm and the floor on the driver and

That wasn't a bug, that was a *feature*.

Post by MightyMouse
passenger side filled with water! there were some panels in front that
didn't fit properly and weren't stopped up with gunk like they should
have been that allowed water in.

Yep, that was a bituminous black stuff with a brand name of nonporite.
Used it by the bucketful to stop up water leaks like those you mentioned.

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Xeno
The best Ford cockup I ever saw was with the flow through ventilation
system on the TC Cortina. As you should know, in normal cars, the air
flows in through the windscreen scuttle vent, through the heater, into
the cabin and out the rear door vents. Except, on the TC, and the
wagon especially so, the flow was reversed. Didn't take long for the
car to fill with dust if the owner needed to traverse gravel roads.
Ask the engineers, I don't know how they managed that, I was just
tasked to deal with the issue. The *factory fix*! Remove exit vent
cover (a plastic POS), mask the vent with gaffa tape, refit vent.
Problem solved - no back flow - but no through flow either. And this
was the *factory fix*??? Oh, I forgot, as unqualified you wouldn't be
doing mechanical work, you would be out in the wash bay prepping new
cars and informing the mechanic where the water leaks were.
A few years later, when first in Melbourne, Melford were advertising
for mechanics. I applied for and succeeded in getting a job. On the
way home from the interview, after being given a start date, I
pondered over my previous Ford dealership experiences, thought "bugger
this" and found a much better job a kilometre down the road that
sufficed until I began my teaching career.
As a *qualified tradie* Darren, I could get a job anywhere and
everywhere. You, on the other hand, as an unqualified lackey, were
stuck with TA jobs.
https://club.shannons.com.au/club/news/classic-garage/ford-cortina-
tctd-great-expectations-not-met/

[Noddy]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Xeno
I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords were
dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise, rattles,
squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or Repair Daily
- that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps - and left there.

of course. everyone knows they are, except noddy apparently

Yeah, right Felix. He worked for "Ford Dealerships" where he apparently
learned all about Thermoquad carburettors two years before Ford ever
used them in this country. If that wasn't funny enough, what about how
he "remembered" idler arm self locking nuts that never existed.

Remember how he claimed this was "factory" on a 1970 Ford Fairlane? An
idler arm complete with a nyloc nut, a neoprene bush and a grease nipple?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/7GgbWF9

Remember how I showed the pic of the real world idler arm from a genuine
March 1970 built unmolested ZC Fairlane that's parked in my spray booth
showing exactly how they left the factory with a castelated nut, split
pin, rubber bush and no grease nipple which is precisely how anyone with
real world experience with these cars remembers them to be?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/9hNm4Y9

Do you remember that Felix?

Do you remember how this screaming attention whore got this completely
fucking *wong* and "remembered" something that never existed? I'm sure
you do, but you don't really care. Do ya? You just ignore it all and
keep sticking your tongue fair up his arse whenever he says anything
without questioning a single thing he says and having no idea if he's
conning you with his perpetual bullshit or not.

You see Felix? *This* is why people think you're unintelligent :)

[MightyMouse]

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Xeno
I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords
were dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise,
rattles, squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or
Repair Daily - that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps -
and left there.

of course. everyone knows they are, except noddy apparently

Yeah, right Felix. He worked for "Ford Dealerships" where he
apparently learned all about Thermoquad carburettors two years before
Ford ever used them in this country. If that wasn't funny enough, what
about how he "remembered" idler arm self locking nuts that never existed.
Remember how he claimed this was "factory" on a 1970 Ford Fairlane? An
idler arm complete with a nyloc nut, a neoprene bush and a grease nipple?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/7GgbWF9

Remember how I showed the pic of the real world idler arm from a
genuine March 1970 built unmolested ZC Fairlane that's parked in my
spray booth showing exactly how they left the factory with a
castelated nut, split pin, rubber bush and no grease nipple which is
precisely how anyone with real world experience with these cars
remembers them to be?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/9hNm4Y9

Do you remember that Felix?
Do you remember how this screaming attention whore got this completely
fucking *wong* and "remembered" something that never existed? I'm sure
you do, but you don't really care. Do ya? You just ignore it all and
keep sticking your tongue fair up his arse whenever he says anything
without questioning a single thing he says and having no idea if he's
conning you with his perpetual bullshit or not.

you assume because I don't say anything that I do

Post by Noddy
You see Felix? *This* is why people think you're unintelligent :)

[Noddy]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Noddy
Do you remember how this screaming attention whore got this completely
fucking *wong* and "remembered" something that never existed? I'm sure
you do, but you don't really care. Do ya? You just ignore it all and
keep sticking your tongue fair up his arse whenever he says anything
without questioning a single thing he says and having no idea if he's
conning you with his perpetual bullshit or not.

you assume because I don't say anything that I do

Of course I do. That would be a reasonable assumption for *anyone* to
make. You're all too keen to be his little sock puppet and rush in with
your "me toos" whenever he says something, but you turn into Harpo Marx
when his bullshit is called into question and never say a word.

Not very intelligent behaviour, is it Felix? :)

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Xeno
I worked in Ford dealerships Darren, samples of thousands. Fords were
dust buckets, Fords leaked water in and oil out. Wind noise, rattles,
squeaks. 6,000 miles - 6,000 rattles, it's a Ford! Fix Or Repair
Daily - that'd be a FORD! A car best Found On Rubbish Dumps - and
left there.

of course. everyone knows they are, except noddy apparently

Yeah, right Felix. He worked for "Ford Dealerships" where he apparently
learned all about Thermoquad carburettors two years before Ford ever

Nope Darren, that was *1980*.

Post by Noddy
used them in this country. If that wasn't funny enough, what about how
he "remembered" idler arm self locking nuts that never existed.

memory....

Post by Noddy
Remember how he claimed this was "factory" on a 1970 Ford Fairlane? An
idler arm complete with a nyloc nut, a neoprene bush and a grease nipple?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/7GgbWF9

Remember how I showed the pic of the real world idler arm from a genuine
March 1970 built unmolested ZC Fairlane that's parked in my spray booth
showing exactly how they left the factory with a castelated nut, split
pin, rubber bush and no grease nipple which is precisely how anyone with
real world experience with these cars remembers them to be?

Post by MightyMouse
https://ibb.co/9hNm4Y9

Do you remember that Felix?
Do you remember how this screaming attention whore got this completely
fucking *wong* and "remembered" something that never existed? I'm sure

A Chinese chap?

Post by Noddy
you do, but you don't really care. Do ya? You just ignore it all and
keep sticking your tongue fair up his arse whenever he says anything
without questioning a single thing he says and having no idea if he's
conning you with his perpetual bullshit or not.
You see Felix? *This* is why people think you're unintelligent :)

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Noddy

Post by MightyMouse
how stupid suggesting an old Falcon as being a viable alternative
to a new Tesla

The only stupidity on display here Felix is your lack of any kind
of comprehension. What I was suggesting was that if all he wanted
to do was accelerate quickly, there are cheaper ways to do it.

why would you think that was ALL he was wanting to do?

Trevor has often made a big noise about 0-100 performance, and cites
it as "Ferrari like". He's placed great emphasis on acceleration
performance as being important, and a turbocharged 6 cylinder Falcon
will give him that experience for a whole lot less than a Tesla.

It will give him a *primitive cave-man like experience*

well, noddy would be familiar with that!  :)

Post by Xeno
There's a reason the FG is dead and buried Darren. No one wanted them.

early fords were VERY badly made cars.

So were the later ones, the FG no exception.

They finally built a decent engine after several decades of duds but
then the rest of the car fell apart around it.

Typical Ford sheltered workshop shit with customer service to match.

[alvey]

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Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
It's not *just* about space,

**Well, no, it's not. I COULD make the Model 3 work for me. In fact, I
could probably make a Mini EV work for me.
  but as someone who's buying criteria in

Post by Noddy
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

**Value involves a complex range of factors. For shits and giggles,
the Tesla is VERY hard to beat (don't forget: I drove the SLOWEST AWD
Model 3).

Hard to beat in what way? Because it accelerates quickly in a straight
line? If that's the case then buy yourself an FG Falcon and spend a
couple of grand on the engine. You'll have way more fun and pocket 50
grand in savings.

Hilarious!!!

[alvey]

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Post by Trevor Wilson

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Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with fuck
all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace.
By your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a 2023
model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated the
lane correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the Subaru
engineers about implementing the system properly.

It's not *just* about space, but as someone who's buying criteria in
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it odd
that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of storage
space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the same price as
my 7 seat wagon.

So "good value" for you, a man in a family of three and no friends, is a
seven seat landing barge. No further questions yerroner.

The witless may step down.


alvey
Picking only one of many.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with
fuck all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace.
By your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a
2023 model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated
the lane correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the
Subaru engineers about implementing the system properly.

It's not *just* about space, but as someone who's buying criteria in
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

So "good value" for you, a man in a family of three and no friends, is
a seven seat landing barge. No further questions yerroner.
The witless may step down.

LOL

Post by alvey
alvey
Picking only one of many.

[jonz]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

Apparently. Fucked if I can see where for a small'ish sedan with
fuck all boot space and no spare.

**If buying a car is just about space, then I'd buy a Toyota Hi Ace.
By your measure, that would represent excellent buying. I drove a
2023 model one last year. Whilst it was a decent enough van, I hated
the lane correction system Toyota use. They need to speak with the
Subaru engineers about implementing the system properly.

It's not *just* about space, but as someone who's buying criteria in
previous times has been focused on wagons and wagons only I find it
odd that you'd think that the sedan with the smallest amount of
storage space on the market would be "good value" when it cost the
same price as my 7 seat wagon.

So "good value" for you, a man in a family of three and no friends, is a
seven seat landing barge. No further questions yerroner.
The witless may step down.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Watch ya don`t trip!.
Jeez, Whomever called you A wit was half right..FFS.

Post by alvey
alvey
Picking only one of many.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Nah, Reckon you could pick yer arse *and* yer nose
simultaneously..(Tho i`m sure it was a *big* learning curve!.)

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She
noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a
lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a
fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the
air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any
day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You
wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with
the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance (4.4
secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs fuck-all
to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks
like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that
one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and
knobs and more internal space.

Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff. One
of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They even
offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff. One
of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They even
offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing damned
good value today. Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around
the driver's seat (like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference,
as I've spoken to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg
seats. I like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build
quality is excellent. In my local showroom, they even have a Tesla
chassis on display. You can closely examine details like suspension and
other stuff rarely seen by consumers.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing damned
good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around
the driver's seat (like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference,
as I've spoken to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg
seats. I like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build
quality is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.

I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two) and they
left me remarkably unimpressed when it came to build quality. Door gaps
were average, plastic trim quality was crap, rubber seals looked like
they were bought at K-mart, etc. These were Australian released "Made in
China" cars which were a couple of years old now, so either they've had
a dramatic turn around in the last 24 months or your idea of "excellent
build quality" is different to mine.

Post by Trevor Wilson
In my local showroom, they even have a Tesla
chassis on display. You can closely examine details like suspension and
other stuff rarely seen by consumers.

Mainstream manufacturers used to do that years ago too, but stopped
presumably because there was little interest from the public. I would
imagine Tesla does it today because EV's are still somewhat niche, and
they're trying to educate the public as much as possible.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's seat
(like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've spoken
to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg seats. I
like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build quality
is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two)

Yep. I'm calling 'bullshit' on that. Got any pix Buffo?

snip unread

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's seat
(like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've spoken
to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg seats. I
like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build quality
is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two) and they

My my, you do have a vivid imagination, don't you? Now you're even
imagining you've been up close and personal to two Teslas. I can recall
when you imagined you were up close and personal to two
*apprenticeships*. Yeah, they were your delusions too. You seem to have
a lot of delusions, thought about getting help?

Post by Noddy
left me remarkably unimpressed when it came to build quality. Door gaps
were average, plastic trim quality was crap, rubber seals looked like
they were bought at K-mart, etc. These were Australian released "Made in
China" cars which were a couple of years old now, so either they've had
a dramatic turn around in the last 24 months or your idea of "excellent
build quality" is different to mine.

Your idea of build quality festers in your imagination.

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
In my local showroom, they even have a Tesla chassis on display. You
can closely examine details like suspension and other stuff rarely
seen by consumers.

Mainstream manufacturers used to do that years ago too, but stopped
presumably because there was little interest from the public. I would
imagine Tesla does it today because EV's are still somewhat niche,  and
they're trying to educate the public as much as possible.

Niche? Teslas are pretty much mainstream as far as BEVs go.

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's seat
(like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've spoken
to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg seats. I
like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build
quality is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two) and they

My my, you do have a vivid imagination, don't you? Now you're even
imagining you've been up close and personal to two Teslas. I can recall
when you imagined you were up close and personal to two
*apprenticeships*. Yeah, they were your delusions too. You seem to have
a lot of delusions, thought about getting help?

Post by Noddy
left me remarkably unimpressed when it came to build quality. Door
gaps were average, plastic trim quality was crap, rubber seals looked
like they were bought at K-mart, etc. These were Australian released
"Made in China" cars which were a couple of years old now, so either
they've had a dramatic turn around in the last 24 months or your idea
of "excellent build quality" is different to mine.

Your idea of build quality festers in your imagination.

Shirley Duzz. What's especially hilarious is that the poor buffoon, he
who bags the build quality of vehicles that he's never seen, actually
recommended an alternative to Trev's Tesla a heap of shit that was
sticky taped together at that world famous centre of shoddiness, Ford
Broadmeadows! In fact, iirc, the model he recommended to Trevor finished
off both the Falcon range *and* the whole factory!

Well played Buffo.


alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's seat
(like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've spoken
to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg seats. I
like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said, build quality
is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two)

Bullshit. At best you walked past one in a carpark.

[MightyMouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's
seat (like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've
spoken to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg
seats. I like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said,
build quality is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two)

Bullshit. At best you walked past one in a carpark.

a dimly lit carpark..

[jonz]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy
I'm not surprised. Their sales are taking a bit of a dive and there
apparently is a glut of the things in the country waiting to be sold.

**Yep. With the dramatic price cuts, the Teslas are representing
damned good value today.

In your opinion Trevor. The fact that their sales are dropping off
suggests that a great many people don't agree with you.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Personally, I'd prefer a bit more bolstering around the driver's
seat (like the Levorg), but that is a personal preference, as I've
spoken to people who don't like the bolstering around the Levorg
seats. I like to be held in place when cornering hard. As I said,
build quality is excellent.

*Again* in your opinion.
I've looked at three Tesla's up close now (passenger in two)

Bullshit. At best you walked past one in a carpark.

a dimly lit carpark..

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

DIMLY LIT...Hmmm, now heres the four (pussy the yes man, tic-toc the
windscreen boi, krypsis the googleist, and alvin the (well, nothing
really) (4) *yery* dimly lit bulbs all jumping on noddy, who had the
bloody *temerity* to claim to have *ridden* (Not even driving!) in a
tesla.. Whodathunkit!. What will this group of failures come up with next.
I reckon their (collective) 28.6 neurones and 5w radiance will come up
with another equally stunning ;0 (collective) utterance by er, the next
blue moon? dunno really.
It`s interesting that noddy and trevor can hold a *reasonably* abuse
free convo, while holding diverse views.
Whilst you lot, couldn`t organize a fuck in a brothel, let alone
discuss *anything!*.
Baaah, sheeple. (Should remove the .6)

[alvey]

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and
knobs and more internal space.

Are you going to have a drive of their i30 N electric? It reads like
bowel loosening fun...


alvey

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and
knobs and more internal space.

Are you going to have a drive of their i30 N electric? It reads like
bowel loosening fun...

**Oh yes, I most certainly will, though it is the next model down that I
am most interested in.

[Daryl]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it
was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very
well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass
(a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel
any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance (4.4
secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs fuck-all
to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks
like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that
one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and
knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff. One
of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They even
offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good value,
I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers but
that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you, that's
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its a
very big car.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it
was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very
well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie
Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance (4.4
secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs fuck-
all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you, the BYD
looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet to test
that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper
buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good value,
I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?

List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.

I will ask you again:

List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers but
that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or any
other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside metro
areas.


that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its a
very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.

FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car makers
that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be checking out
some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai will end up
being my preferred car.

[Clocky]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming
it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is
very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows
MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer
is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph.
The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people
buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet
to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have
proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or any
other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside metro
areas.
 that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its
a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car makers
that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be checking out
some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai will end up
being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

[Xeno]

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have
yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does
have proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

Guaranteed to become a money pit at that age - surpassed only by BMW.

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.
  that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai
will end up being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

[MightyMouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan
370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to
be comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40
minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart,
costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places).
Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value for money (on
paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More
money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs and more internal
space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or
more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I
live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the
sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car
dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.
  that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that
Hyundai will end up being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

[Xeno]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan
370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to
be comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40
minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart,
costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places).
Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value for money (on
paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More
money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs and more internal
space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or
more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I
live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the
sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car
dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine and
the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.
  that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that
Hyundai will end up being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

[Clocky]

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about
it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it
isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the
370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road
South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort
at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox,
Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno
why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed
to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40
minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value
for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is next
up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs and more
internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins
was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or
more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I
live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the
sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car
dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine and
the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything
about it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around
corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she
drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort
at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox,
Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno
why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end
of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value
for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is
next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs
and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins
was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour
or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where
I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from
the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a
car dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine and
the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything
about it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around
corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she
drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the
Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in
comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox,
Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's
about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not
brilliant either. You wonder why I love station wagons so
much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge
suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end
of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value
for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is
next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs
and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40
mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an
hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near
where I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure
from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had
at a car dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I
can't imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

Apparently Lindsay Fox is just a truck driver.

[Moffs]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the
Stagea in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a
modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the
lady who arranged my booking. She noted the Stagea, but
didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie
Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4
seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in
an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested
speed sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that
the Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them
in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just
like the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air
through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was
pretty good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the
sales-lady didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence
the 120kph run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual
gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's
about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not
brilliant either. You wonder why I love station wagons so
much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge
suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons
and switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I
had to stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of
the information displayed. It is most impressive technology.
Much has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the
end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better
value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one.
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons
and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40
mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an
hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near
where I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO
pressure from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant
experiences I had at a car dealership. They even offered to
trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is
good value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic
value for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for
that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

Apparently Lindsay Fox is just a truck driver.

And Elon Musk has nothing to do with Teslas...

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the
Stagea in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a
modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the
lady who arranged my booking. She noted the Stagea, but
didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-
up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass
(a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4
seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in
an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested
speed sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that
the Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them
in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just
like the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air
through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was
pretty good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the
sales-lady didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence
the 120kph run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual
gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's
about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not
brilliant either. You wonder why I love station wagons so
much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge
suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons
and switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I
had to stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of
the information displayed. It is most impressive technology.
Much has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the
end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better
value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one.
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons
and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40
mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an
hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near
where I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO
pressure from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant
experiences I had at a car dealership. They even offered to
trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is
good value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic
value for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for
that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

Apparently Lindsay Fox is just a truck driver.

Yup and, unlike you, successful at it! You see, he knows how to run a
business for the long haul, you obviously didn't - first glitch and
you're gone.

[Keithr0]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the
Stagea in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a
modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the
lady who arranged my booking. She noted the Stagea, but
didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-
up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass
(a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4
seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in
an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested
speed sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that
the Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them
in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just
like the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air
through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was
pretty good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the
sales-lady didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence
the 120kph run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual
gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's
about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not
brilliant either. You wonder why I love station wagons so
much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge
suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons
and switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I
had to stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of
the information displayed. It is most impressive technology.
Much has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the
end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better
value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one.
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons
and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40
mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an
hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near
where I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO
pressure from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant
experiences I had at a car dealership. They even offered to
trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is
good value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic
value for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for
that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

Apparently Lindsay Fox is just a truck driver.

Elon Musk builds Teslas himself.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the
Stagea in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a
modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the
lady who arranged my booking. She noted the Stagea, but
didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set- up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie
Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4
seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in
an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested
speed sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that
the Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate
them in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around
20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just
like the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air
through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything
from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was
pretty good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the
sales-lady didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence
the 120kph run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual
gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was
pretty hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and
that's about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back
is not brilliant either. You wonder why I love station
wagons so much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a
lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons
and switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I
had to stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of
the information displayed. It is most impressive technology.
Much has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk.
I managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the
end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better
value for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one.
Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have proper
buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it
for the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured
40 mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it
for an hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the
lot near where I live. You should go for a drive. There was
ZERO pressure from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant
experiences I had at a car dealership. They even offered to
trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd offer for
the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is
good value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic
value for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for
that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to
fuck that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the
operator of a cleaning company?

Apparently Lindsay Fox is just a truck driver.

Elon Musk builds Teslas himself.

Yep, he wouldn't be seen dead without his trusty soldering iron:-)

[Xeno]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a
Tesla Model 3 (Long Range All-Wheel Drive). Here is my
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything
about it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around
corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she
drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the
Tesla dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in
comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox,
Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20
mins of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the
glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's
about it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not
brilliant either. You wonder why I love station wagons so
much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge
suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end
of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value
for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is
next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs
and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40
mins was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an
hour or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near
where I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure
from the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had
at a car dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I
can't imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.
Even on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely
one safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine
and the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.

Still don't know the difference between a cleaner and and the operator
of a cleaning company?

Yeah, the cleaner self promoted to operator of a cleaning company - and
screwed that up too - promoted himself beyond his level of competence.

[jonz]

Post by Clocky

Post by Xeno

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything
about it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around
corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she
drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort
at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake
pedal. It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came
quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox,
Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno
why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I
managed to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end
of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the
missus didn't like the external door handles), has excellent
performance (4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an
angel's fart, costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla
charging places). Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value
for money (on paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is
next up. More money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs
and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for
the response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins
was plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour
or more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where
I live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from
the sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a
car dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a
money pit at that age.

except Daryl is a mechanic and can do any repairs

Yeah, I used to think that too - until the fracas with Les' engine and
the Lotus Elise hoist affair.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Garn, you`ve never had a *thought*/fixed anything in yer entire
existence to date. <FBG>

Post by Clocky
Succinctly proved why he was a cleaner... and he even managed to fuck
that up too.¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

No shit, talk about leading with yer chin, mr *The windscreen
lamination is on the outside*. !!
Go sit in the corner you fuckin' dunce!.

[jonz]

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have
yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does
have proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Of course you would,*But* only coz Daryls family member owns one!
otherwise there would be *NO* mention at all!.

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.
  that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai
will end up being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

[Noddy]

Post by jonz

Post by Clocky
I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
   Of course you would,*But* only coz Daryls family member owns one!
otherwise there would be *NO* mention at all!.

Utterly ridiculous editorial from a moron with zero experience who
thinks old Commodores are worth owning :)

[Daryl]

Post by jonz

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan
370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to
be comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40
minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart,
costs fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places).
Mind you, the BYD looks like even better value for money (on
paper). I have yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More
money, but it does have proper buttons and knobs and more internal
space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or
more. There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I
live. You should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the
sales-staff. One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car
dealership. They even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't
imagine how much they'd offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value
for money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even
on the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one
safety star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

I'd also add that 21K for any Merc over 10 years old represents
extremely poor value for money given they're likely to become a money
pit at that age.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
   Of course you would,*But* only coz Daryls family member owns one!
otherwise there would be *NO* mention at all!.

Having owned a Benz for 8yrs and there being another 2 belonging to
family members there is no doubt that what he said is ignorant of the
facts, 2 of those cars including mine have been as reliable and cheap to
own as the 2 new Toyota's and 3 new Subaru's we owned.
Apart from tyres and a minor service I've spent nothing on my car in the
last 12mths, only replaced the rear shockers in the previous 12mths at a
cost of less than $300 which at over 200k km and 20yrs old is to be
expected.
Only thing that needs fixing on mine is the led screen in the dash which
fades on a hot day, part costs less than $100 and takes an hour or two
to fit so nothing significant.
Son's 2002 CL203 has done nearly 280k km and not had a single major
repair, its a bit tired but it still drives well.
Son's mate owns a 2016 C200, its also a very reliable car, never had to
do anything to it apart from regular servicing.

Post by jonz

Post by Clocky

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.
  that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that
Hyundai will end up being my preferred car.

I wouldn't touch that commie Chinese shit with a barge pole.

Me either although my son who installs solar says that the BYD solar
batteries are as good as any, cheaper and better than Tesla solar batteries.

[Xeno]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming
it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is
very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows
MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer
is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph.
The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people
buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet
to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have
proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.

It's all the poor bastard's family can afford.

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or any
other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside metro
areas.
 that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its
a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car makers
that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be checking out
some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai will end up
being my preferred car.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think it
represents good value for money?

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think it
represents good value for money?

**Asked and answered.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think it
represents good value for money?

**Asked and answered.

Yeah, I must have missed them. I saw you list a few basic things which,
apart from fast acceleration, would apply to any car and didn't seem to
scream "good value" to me.

<shrug>

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think it
represents good value for money?

**Asked and answered.

Yeah, I must have missed them. I saw you list a few basic things which,
apart from fast acceleration, would apply to any car and didn't seem to
scream "good value" to me.
<shrug>

Indeed you should as "good value" to you appears to buying in Bumhole
(Vic) *and* having a giant shed to do bugger all in.


hth


alvey

[MightyMouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the
Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think
it represents good value for money?

**Asked and answered.

Yeah, I must have missed them. I saw you list a few basic things
which, apart from fast acceleration, would apply to any car and
didn't seem to scream "good value" to me.
<shrug>

Indeed you should as "good value" to you appears to buying in Bumhole
(Vic) *and* having a giant shed to do bugger all in.

LOL

Post by alvey
hth
alvey

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Perhaps it would be easier if you listed the reasons why you think it
represents good value for money?

Given that you've never owned a decent car in your life, and quite
possibly haven't even driven any, what's the point? You're not fit to judge.


hth


alvey

[MightyMouse]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have
yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does
have proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or
any other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside
metro areas.

so if you own a Tesla you can run it for free if you use their charging
stations?

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
that's certainly the case with the only person I know who currently
owns a Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but
its a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car
makers that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be
checking out some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai
will end up being my preferred car.

[jonz]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming
it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is
very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows
MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Why interesting?, Shouldn`t women enjoy twisty roads?.
BTW, You ought to be careful when fanging up or down there!. I
have on a couple of occasions had *very* close calls when jakeing down
there in a fully loaded semi!.. Some PPl coming up, think/assume they
are the only ones on there. Especially on weekends....

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer
is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph.
The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people
buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet
to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have
proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Better talk with the motley crew about *that* option!.

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars. Even on
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
2011 is *yesterday* in car evolution. The Merc. would be safe as most/any.
This *fixation* with Safety stars? what brings that on?..I reckon its
because a lot of geriatrics are getting as slow as treacle on a cold
day!, in thought process, reaction times, and general ability to control
a vehicle.. Don`t even *need* a car when living in the *middle of
Aussies biggest city. Hows them apples?.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,

**I am well aware of that. Luckily, I live in the city and there are
plenty of Tesla chargers nearby. I never suggested that a Tesla (or any
other EV) was necessarily appropriate for people living outside metro
areas.
 that's

Post by Daryl
certainly the case with the only person I know who currently owns a
Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its
a very big car.

**OK. BYD is cheap. VERY cheap. The BYD Seal (base model) sells for
UK43,000 pounds. The same car in Australia is AUS$50k. Bargain.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
From one extreme to the other!. Suddenly *cheap* is *good*,,however,a
*bargain?...(yer showing another geriatric trait now.)

Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: IMO BYD will be one of the very small number of Chinese car makers
that will survive past the end of the decade. I will be checking out
some of the BYD models. I still have a sense that Hyundai will end up
being my preferred car.

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See above ^^^^ <G>

[Daryl]

Post by jonz

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
     Why interesting?, Shouldn`t women enjoy twisty roads?.
       BTW, You ought to be careful when fanging up or down there!. I
have on a couple of occasions had *very* close calls when jakeing down
there in a fully loaded semi!.. Some PPl coming up, think/assume they
are the only ones on there. Especially on weekends....

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck- all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have
yet to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does
have proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.

**Why?
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.

Post by Daryl
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.

**IT'S A SECOND HAND CAR! Fuck me.

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
 Better talk with the motley crew about *that* option!.

Post by Trevor Wilson
List your reasoning that would explain why you think that the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD should be $50k.
Don't forget: we're discussing NEW cars, not second hand cars.

My point was about value for money, nothing was said about new or SH.

Even on

Post by jonz

Post by Trevor Wilson
the most basic level, a 2011 model Merc will have barely one safety
star. The Tesla Model 3 has 5.

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 2011 is *yesterday* in car evolution. The Merc. would be safe as most/

Can't think of anything that it hasn't got that a new car has that makes
it less safe than a new car.
Only feature that it doesn't have that may be relevant is no reverse
camera but it has front and rear sensors that work very well, not as
good as a camera but still very good at detecting things behind the car.
Since most of the safety features on new cars were actually invented by
MB then its a given that a 2011 model has most of them.
My 2002 Benz has all of the significant safety features that new cars
have, the rest is just gadgets.

Post by jonz
any.
This *fixation* with Safety stars? what brings that on?.

A lack of knowledge of what most of it means most likely.
The star system has failed to keep up with the times simply because its
only a 5 star system, it makes no sense that cars that were once rated
as the safest no longer rate because of some very minor new system, eg
lane change monitoring which most people seem to hate and stars simply
because it has a seat belt reminder buzzer instead of just a warning light.
A more sensible system would have a much higher number and give more
weight to basics such as better brakes and high quality tyres instead
flashy gadgets that do very little.

.I reckon its

Post by jonz
because a lot of geriatrics are getting as slow as treacle on a cold
day!, in thought process, reaction times, and general ability to control
a vehicle.. Don`t even *need* a car when living in the *middle of
Aussies biggest city. Hows them apples?.

True if you live near good public transport.

[MightyMouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by Daryl

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming
it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is
very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows
MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*).
Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer
is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph.
The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales- lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people
buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

$70k is good value for money?

**I'd say so. It is VERY nicely screwed together (though the missus
didn't like the external door handles), has excellent performance
(4.4 secs to 100kph), handles well, silent as an angel's fart, costs
fuck-all to run (free charging at Tesla charging places). Mind you,
the BYD looks like even better value for money (on paper). I have yet
to test that one. Hyundai is next up. More money, but it does have
proper buttons and knobs and more internal space.
Go for a test drive. When I asked how long I could drive it for the
response was "How long do you want it for?" I figured 40 mins was
plenty, but they seemed happy to let me take it for an hour or more.
There were half a dozen demo cars in the lot near where I live. You
should go for a drive. There was ZERO pressure from the sales-staff.
One of the more pleasant experiences I had at a car dealership. They
even offered to trade in my Stagea (I can't imagine how much they'd
offer for the old girl).

I still don't get why you think that any car costing $70k is good
value, I might agree if it was $20k cheaper.
I'd call my daughter in laws 2011 C350 Coupe Benz fantastic value for
money, it cost her $21k and its one hell of a car for that money.
Its all well and good to say that charging is free at Tesla chargers
but that doesn't help if there is none conveniently located near you,
that's certainly the case with the only person I know who currently
owns a Tesla, his nearest Tesla charger is 30km away.
One of my new neighbours has a BYD sedan, don't know the model but its
a very big car.

seeing a few BYD's on the roads now

[alvey]

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model 3
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I wandered
inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She noted the
Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a lump of a
thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns
out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty
mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign says
25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is on. The
Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The Levorg can
only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It took
a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good and,
unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist on
coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the air
con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty hopeless.
The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it. Maybe 3 dozen
cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You wonder why I
love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy sedans. I can chuck
a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and switches.
There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop and figure
stuff out. That said, I like some of the information displayed. It is
most impressive technology. Much has been written about the lack of an
indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with the buttons long
before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned good
value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.

The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new car,
but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.


alvey

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She
noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a
lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a
fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the
air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any
day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You
wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with
the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new car,
but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me. However, Tesla has a lot of runs on
the board, so I decided to include the car in my testing anyway. It will
provide a good yardstick to measure other cars by.

[Noddy]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)

Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company. The cars aren't his. The design isn't his. He's
not responsible for the tech. Why would you deny yourself something you
like on the basis of not liking someone you don't know personally who
happens to own the company?

You people are strange..... :)

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company. The cars aren't his. The design isn't his. He's
not responsible for the tech. Why would you deny yourself something you
like on the basis of not liking someone you don't know personally who
happens to own the company?

That you don't understand why that is important to people says a lot
about you as a person.

None of it good.

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company.

LOL!

That's a keeper!
"Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other than owning the company."

Straight into the fool room with that one. Onya Buffo!



alvey

[MightyMouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my
new car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla
other than owning the company.

LOL!
That's a keeper!
"Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other than owning the company."
Straight into the fool room with that one. Onya Buffo!

Albo has FA to do with running the country other than being the PM!

Post by alvey
alvey

[Noddy]

nonsense. so I should sell my ZS because China is ruled by a despot? and
I shouldn't buy an American car because the US supports the war in
Israel? etc.,

Nobody cares what you do with your ZS, as you're the only one around
here dumb enough to buy one. However you shouldn't buy an American car.
Not because of Trump, but because American cars are massive heaps of shit :)

[Keithr0]

Post by Noddy

nonsense. so I should sell my ZS because China is ruled by a despot?
and I shouldn't buy an American car because the US supports the war in
Israel? etc.,

Nobody cares what you do with your ZS, as you're the only one around
here dumb enough to buy one. However you shouldn't buy an American car.
Not because of Trump, but because American cars are massive heaps of shit :)

From my experience pretty true, but I could go a Shelby Cobra.

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

nonsense. so I should sell my ZS because China is ruled by a despot?
and I shouldn't buy an American car because the US supports the war in
Israel? etc.,

Nobody cares what you do with your ZS, as you're the only one around
here dumb enough to buy one. However you shouldn't buy an American car.
Not because of Trump, but because American cars are massive heaps of shit :)

So are Rangers and some Hyundai models.

[jonz]

Post by Noddy

nonsense. so I should sell my ZS because China is ruled by a despot?
and I shouldn't buy an American car because the US supports the war in
Israel? etc.,

Nobody cares what you do with your ZS, as you're the only one around
here dumb enough to buy one. However you shouldn't buy an American car.
Not because of Trump, but because American cars are massive heaps of shit :)

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Speaking of which, there is a live on tik Tok called casey the Hobbly
(about midnight most nights)...He manages to get kicked out of car yards
coz of his attitude. (Showing ppl the shonkiness that goes on etc.
(think he maybe persona non grata at T/T at the mo. as well.) You can
get the gist of it on google tho..Very knowledgeable on older stuff,
Hates a lot of new stuff. Large Yank cars/wagons powered by 4cyl turbo`d
engines.(why wouldn`t ya be.)

[Clocky]

Post by Clocky

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company. The cars aren't his. The design isn't his.
He's not responsible for the tech. Why would you deny yourself
something you like on the basis of not liking someone you don't know
personally who happens to own the company?

That you don't understand why that is important to people says a lot
about you as a person.
None of it good.

nonsense. so I should sell my ZS because China is ruled by a despot? and
I shouldn't buy an American car because the US supports the war in
Israel? etc.,

What you do is your business. What I'm saying is that if he doesn't
understand why other people make decisions taking such matters into
account says a lot about him as a person.

And none of it is good.

[jonz]

Post by Noddy

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by alvey
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

**I agree. Musk's decision to throw his lot in with the Trump/Putin
cabal bothers the Hell out of me.

ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company. The cars aren't his. The design isn't his. He's
not responsible for the tech. Why would you deny yourself something you
like on the basis of not liking someone you don't know personally who
happens to own the company?

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬

Yer talking too much *sense*!!!.
Heh, careful!..Next, there will be voodoo dolls and pins. <G>

Post by Noddy
You people are strange..... :)

YUP!.

[Noddy]

Post by jonz

Post by Noddy
ROTFL :)
Why the fuck would you care? Musk has fuck all to do with Tesla other
than owning the company. The cars aren't his. The design isn't his.
He's not responsible for the tech. Why would you deny yourself
something you like on the basis of not liking someone you don't know
personally who happens to own the company?

¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
  Yer talking too much *sense*!!!.
 Heh, careful!..Next, there will be voodoo dolls and pins. <G>

Some people around here are retarded beyond belief :)

[Clocky]

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking. She
noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it was a
lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very well
set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a
fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats, but
they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe. NO
ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving, the
air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel any
day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either. You
wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable with
the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new car,
but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it
was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very
well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie
Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

OMG. crazy!

[Clocky]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it
was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very
well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie
Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me
steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

OMG. crazy!

Having morals is crazy now? I'm not going to give my money to a dickhead
like Musk or commies when there are much better alternatives.

[MightyMouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

OMG. crazy!

Having morals is crazy now? I'm not going to give my money to a
dickhead like Musk or commies when there are much better alternatives.

having morals is one thing. but taking it to the point where your action
has no effect whatsoever other than to deny yourself the purchase of a
car you might otherwise have wanted, is rather stupid IMO.

[Clocky]

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in
the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z.
I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my
booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it,
assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't'
as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She
knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of
Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at
40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the
23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't
insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like
that the sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of
driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof.
Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why
people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has
been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be
comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute
test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

OMG. crazy!

Having morals is crazy now? I'm not going to give my money to a
dickhead like Musk or commies when there are much better alternatives.

having morals is one thing. but taking it to the point where your action
has no effect whatsoever other than to deny yourself the purchase of a
car you might otherwise have wanted, is rather stupid IMO.

You would say that about many ethical choices that many people make
every day on anything.

That you don't care or understand why people make ethical choices is a
problem with *you*, not those who make ethical decisions.

[MightyMouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by MightyMouse

Post by Clocky

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Clocky

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea
in the shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan
370Z. I wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged
my booking. She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about
it, assuming it was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it
isn't' as it is very well set-up). Turns out she drives the
370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass (a fabulous, twisty mountain road
South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed
sign says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla
dealer is on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort
at 40kph. The Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal.
It took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like
the 23 year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg
seats, but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through
them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty
good and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady
didn't insist on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph
run). I like that the sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan
370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern
Europe. NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins
of driving, the air con had finally managed to cool the glass
roof. Give me steel any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about
it. Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant
either. You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno
why people buy sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to
stop and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the
information displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much
has been written about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed
to be comfortable with the buttons long before the end of my 40
minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was
damned good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my
new car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

Wouldn't even look at one now for that reason.

OMG. crazy!

Having morals is crazy now? I'm not going to give my money to a
dickhead like Musk or commies when there are much better alternatives.

having morals is one thing. but taking it to the point where your
action has no effect whatsoever other than to deny yourself the
purchase of a car you might otherwise have wanted, is rather stupid IMO.

You would say that about many ethical choices that many people make
every day on anything.

I would because it's applicable

Post by Clocky
That you don't care or understand why people make ethical choices is a
problem with *you*, not those who make ethical decisions.

I do understand why, and I have no problem with what you choose to do,
what you do is your business. I'm just more interested in doing what's
best for me.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Trevor Wilson
Well, I bit the bullet today and booked a test drive in a Tesla Model
It's a fucking hot Sydney day today (32+). I parked the Stagea in the
shade beside a Tesla which was beside a modified Nissan 370Z. I
wandered inside to be greeted by the lady who arranged my booking.
She noted the Stagea, but didn't know anything about it, assuming it
was a lump of a thing to go around corners (it isn't' as it is very
well set-up). Turns out she drives the 370Z. She knows MacQuarie Pass
(a fabulous, twisty mountain road South of Sydney*). Interesting.
I arranged to drive the least powerful, AWD Tesla. 4.4 seconds 0-100kph.
Power. Jeez this thing has nice acceleration. 60 - 120kph in an eyeblink.
Quiet.
Handles speed humps really, really nicely. The suggested speed sign
says 25kph on the speed humps on the street that the Tesla dealer is
on. The Model 3 can easily negotiate them in comfort at 40kph. The
Levorg can only manage around 20kph.
Steering. Pretty good. Communicative, nicely weighted.
I kinda liked the idea of driving without using the brake pedal. It
took a few kms to work it out, but learning came quickly.
I like the display of everything around the car at all times.
Mirrors tilt down towards the gutter when reversing (just like the 23
year old Stagea!).
Seats were comfortable, but not as supportive as the Levorg seats,
but they were pretty decent. Air con routes air through them (nice).
Fit and finish. Very, VERY good indeed. As good as anything from Japan.
The Tesla people. I like them. The whole experience was pretty good
and, unlike the Lexus test drive I had, the sales-lady didn't insist
on coming along for the ride (hence the 120kph run). I like that the
sales-lady drives a manual gearbox, Nissan 370Z.
The glass roof. Fuck me. We live in Australia, not Northern Europe.
NO ONE needs a glass roof in the country. After 20 mins of driving,
the air con had finally managed to cool the glass roof. Give me steel
any day.
BTW: The air con was excellent. I like the hidden vents.
Storage. For what is a fair sized car, the storage was pretty
hopeless. The frunk can take two shopping bags and that's about it.
Maybe 3 dozen cans and some ice. The back is not brilliant either.
You wonder why I love station wagons so much. I dunno why people buy
sedans. I can chuck a lounge suite into the Stagea.
The screen. Yeah, I don't much care for it. I like buttons and
switches. There is SO much information on the screen, I had to stop
and figure stuff out. That said, I like some of the information
displayed. It is most impressive technology. Much has been written
about the lack of an indicator stalk. I managed to be comfortable
with the buttons long before the end of my 40 minute test drive.
No spare tyre, but I can buy one.
All in all, I doubt I will buy a Tesla, but I reckon it was damned
good value for money. $70k on the road.

Thanks Trevor. Good wrap.
The Tesla 3 *was* in the Most Likely group of candidates for my new
car, but then Musk went all Trump-shaped so its been removed.

so you won't buy a Tesla just because Elon Musk supports Trump?? LOL!

Post by alvey
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