Chinese software isn't the biggest problem

[Keithr0]

It's the manufacturers software.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

Stupid bugs, but it doesn't allow people to do much other than make
pests of themselves.
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Noddy.

[Xeno]

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Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

Stupid bugs, but it doesn't allow people to do much other than make
pests of themselves.

Uh oh, Darren is a software engineer now! But, just like his imagined
expertise in the automotive field, his lack of insight is just as
visible here as well.

For instance, did you bother to access the *link* within the link above?

This one; https://samcurry.net/web-hackers-vs-the-auto-industry

Findings Summary
Vulnerability Writeups
(1) Full Account Takeover on BMW and Rolls Royce via
Misconfigured SSO
(2) Remote Code Execution and Access to Hundreds of
Internal Tools on Mercedes-Benz and Rolls Royce
via Misconfigured SSO
(3) Full Account Takeover on Ferrari and Arbitrary
Account Creation allows Attacker to Access,
Modify, and Delete All Customer Information and
Access Administrative CMS Functionality to
Manage Ferrari Websites
(4) SQL Injection and Regex Authorization Bypass on
Spireon Systems allows Attacker to Access, Track,
and Send Arbitrary Commands to 15 million
Telematics systems and Additionally Fully Takeover
Fleet Management Systems for Police Departments,
Ambulance Services, Truckers, and Many Business
Fleet Systems
(5) Mass Assignment on Reviver allows an Attacker to
Remotely Track and Overwrite the Virtual License
Plates for All Reviver Customers, Track and
Administrate Reviver Fleets, and Access, Modify,
and Delete All User Information
(6) Full Remote Vehicle Access and Full Account
Takeover affecting Hyundai and Genesis
(7) Full Remote Vehicle Access and Full Account
Takeover affecting Honda, Nissan, Infiniti, Acura
(8) Full Vehicle Takeover on Nissan via Mass Assignment
Credits

Just look at number 4 above Darren!
Fully *Takeover Fleet Management Systems* for Police Departments,
Ambulance Services, Truckers, and Many Business Fleet Systems.

These are *not* nuisance bugs.

You scan but you do not see, you read but you do not understand.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi, for
example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's computer
system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well the
supplier's end is protected.

Sylvia.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi,
for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's
computer system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well
the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

Post by Sylvia Else
Sylvia.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi,
for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's
computer system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well
the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which
can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home,
and have the potential to be accessed by hackers who break into the
systems that the device phones home to.

Indeed smartphones themselves are a vulnerability if they access your
internal WiFi.

Sylvia.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which
can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home,
and have the potential to be accessed by hackers who break into the
systems that the device phones home to.
Indeed smartphones themselves are a vulnerability if they access your
internal WiFi.
Sylvia.

Hmm.. maybe I construed your 'listening' rather narrowly. Sorry about that.

Sylvia.

[Mighty Mouse]

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Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which
can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
sure what info could be got from them.

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else
and have the potential to be accessed by hackers who break into the
systems that the device phones home to.
Indeed smartphones themselves are a vulnerability if they access your
internal WiFi.

I have them set in non listening mode. ie. no 'hey google'. i have to
use the search bar, but I can use voice input in it

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Sylvia Else
Sylvia.

Hmm.. maybe I construed your 'listening' rather narrowly. Sorry about that.

no, not really. I was thinking of Alexa, google, etc,.

Post by Sylvia Else
Sylvia.

[Keithr0]

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Post by Sylvia Else

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Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which
can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously easy to
hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them into a
botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that you get up
to in your house.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face
into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the
rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were
hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)

And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I took
a few extra precautions with online banking security?

This bloke is genuinely not playing with a full deck. No wonder he cross
posts bullshit all over the place :)

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face
into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the
rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were
hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I took
a few extra precautions with online banking security?
This bloke is genuinely not playing with a full deck.

Gasp! Psych profiling by a mouth-breathing, narcissistic sociopath!

However will you sleep at nights now felix?



alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

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Post by Noddy

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Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I
took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

Post by alvey

Post by Noddy
This bloke is genuinely not playing with a full deck.

Gasp! Psych profiling by a mouth-breathing, narcissistic sociopath!
However will you sleep at nights now felix?

it's a worry..

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alvey

[alvey]

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cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I
took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I
took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most ppl
would consider necessary.

[alvey]

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Post by alvey

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I
took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most ppl
would consider necessary.

That's ironic. Fraudster concerned about fraud...

[Keithr0]

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Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because I
took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most ppl
would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than sane
people would consider necessary.

[Mighty Mouse]

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Post by alvey

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Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because
I took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most
ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

you neither know how many there are, or if they're necessary or not, so
your remark, as per usual, is worthless

[Keithr0]

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Post by Noddy

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Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once because
I took a few extra precautions with online banking security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most
ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

you neither know how many there are, or if they're necessary or not, so
your remark, as per usual, is worthless

To quote your own words -
"I have all internal cameras set facing wall surfaces, so even if they
were hacked nothing would be seen."

Note the words "All internal cameras" so you have plural cameras inside
your house. They would only be necessary if -

1) You have something extremely valuable in there. Unlikely since you
buy cheap cars and pick up computers from the curbside collection.

2) You live in a shit area full of thieves and it is very likely that
you will be burgled.

3) You have pissed somebody off so hard that they want to do you bodily
harm.

4) You're paranoid. Which seems the most likely reason.

[Keithr0]

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Post by Keithr0

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Post by alvey

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Post by Noddy

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Post by Mighty Mouse
cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once
because I took a few extra precautions with online banking
security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his
banking info when purchasing online. they were considerably more
than most ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

you neither know how many there are, or if they're necessary or not,
so your remark, as per usual, is worthless

To quote your own words -
 "I have all internal cameras set facing wall surfaces, so even if they
were hacked nothing would be seen."
Note the words "All internal cameras" so you have plural cameras inside
your house. They would only be necessary if -
1) You have something extremely valuable in there. Unlikely since you
buy cheap cars and pick up computers from the curbside collection.
2) You live in a shit area full of thieves and it is very likely that
you will be burgled.
3) You have pissed somebody off so hard that they want to do you bodily
harm.
4) You're paranoid. Which seems the most likely reason.

Sorry, I forgot one

5) You are a drug dealer.

[Noddy]

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Post by Keithr0
Note the words "All internal cameras" so you have plural cameras
inside your house. They would only be necessary if -
1) You have something extremely valuable in there. Unlikely since you
buy cheap cars and pick up computers from the curbside collection.
2) You live in a shit area full of thieves and it is very likely that
you will be burgled.
3) You have pissed somebody off so hard that they want to do you
bodily harm.
4) You're paranoid. Which seems the most likely reason.

Sorry, I forgot one
5) You are a drug dealer.

ROTFL :)
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Noddy.

[Daryl]

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cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once
because I took a few extra precautions with online banking
security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his
banking info when purchasing online. they were considerably more
than most ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

you neither know how many there are, or if they're necessary or not,
so your remark, as per usual, is worthless

To quote your own words -
 "I have all internal cameras set facing wall surfaces, so even if they
were hacked nothing would be seen."
Note the words "All internal cameras" so you have plural cameras inside
your house. They would only be necessary if -
1) You have something extremely valuable in there. Unlikely since you
buy cheap cars and pick up computers from the curbside collection.
2) You live in a shit area full of thieves and it is very likely that
you will be burgled.
3) You have pissed somebody off so hard that they want to do you bodily
harm.
4) You're paranoid. Which seems the most likely reason.

I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

[alvey]

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

Errr. No rain. Lighter (if you make it so). The fact that, unlike your
externals, the crooks probably don't know where, of if, you have
internals. Better motion detection. The indoor cams will probably by
closer to the burglars, therefore getting better facials (see Light).
I'm sure there's more, but that'll do. You'd think.

alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

Errr. No rain. Lighter (if you make it so). The fact that, unlike your
externals, the crooks probably don't know where, of if, you have
internals. Better motion detection. The indoor cams will probably by
closer to the burglars, therefore getting better facials (see Light).
I'm sure there's more, but that'll do. You'd think.

yep

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alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

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cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they
would have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via
smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away for any
length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm
not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

ROTFL :)
And the fucking *idiot* had the gall to criticise me once
because I took a few extra precautions with online banking
security?

extra precautions? extreme precautions!

What? Like his ten monitors?

he described a while back the measures he took to protect his
banking info when purchasing online. they were considerably more
than most ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

you neither know how many there are, or if they're necessary or not,
so your remark, as per usual, is worthless

To quote your own words -
  "I have all internal cameras set facing wall surfaces, so even if
they were hacked nothing would be seen."
Note the words "All internal cameras" so you have plural cameras
inside your house. They would only be necessary if -
1) You have something extremely valuable in there. Unlikely since you
buy cheap cars and pick up computers from the curbside collection.
2) You live in a shit area full of thieves and it is very likely that
you will be burgled.
3) You have pissed somebody off so hard that they want to do you
bodily harm.
4) You're paranoid. Which seems the most likely reason.

I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

peace of mind, watching pets, indoor pool, fire breaking out, burglary
evidence, theft by domestics, etc., etc.,

[Noddy]

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

I have an 8 camera system at home, and 2 of the cameras are inside: One
in the house and one in the workshop.

The reason for that is because regardless of how you configure the
cameras externally you will always have blind spots, especially in a
property like mine that is open from all angles. I'd really need a 16
camera system to see anyone coming from every possible angle, and that's
a bit of overkill. So instead I cover most of the outside with 6
cameras, and the insides with two.

The workshop one is an obvious use as it covers most of the area and I
can see what's happening inside at night when I'm not out there, and the
one in the house is in the common area where anyone walking through the
house will be pinged.

Anyone breaking into your house or shed will spend more time inside than
out, so with indoor cameras you've got a better chance of identifying them.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

I have an 8 camera system at home, and 2 of the cameras are inside: One
in the house and one in the workshop.
The reason for that is because regardless of how you configure the
cameras externally you will always have blind spots, especially in a
property like mine that is open from all angles. I'd really need a 16
camera system to see anyone coming from every possible angle, and that's
a bit of overkill. So instead I cover most of the outside with 6
cameras, and the insides with two.
The workshop one is an obvious use as it covers most of the area and I
can see what's happening inside at night when I'm not out there, and the
one in the house is in the common area where anyone walking through the
house will be pinged.
Anyone breaking into your house or shed will spend more time inside than
out, so with indoor cameras you've got a better chance of identifying them.

Well, given you live in shitsville with lots of thieves about, I expect
you to be paranoid.

[Clocky]

Post by Xeno

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

One in the house and one in the workshop.
The reason for that is because regardless of how you configure the
cameras externally you will always have blind spots, especially in a
property like mine that is open from all angles. I'd really need a 16
camera system to see anyone coming from every possible angle, and
that's a bit of overkill. So instead I cover most of the outside with
6 cameras, and the insides with two.
The workshop one is an obvious use as it covers most of the area and I
can see what's happening inside at night when I'm not out there, and
the one in the house is in the common area where anyone walking
through the house will be pinged.
Anyone breaking into your house or shed will spend more time inside
than out, so with indoor cameras you've got a better chance of
identifying them.

Well, given you live in shitsville with lots of thieves about, I expect
you to be paranoid.

Untrustworthy people don't trust others either, to the point of paranoia.

Case in point, you know who.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky
Untrustworthy people don't trust others either, to the point of paranoia.
Case in point, you know who.

Felix of course with his many cheap Chinese cameras

[Noddy]

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Post by Clocky
Untrustworthy people don't trust others either, to the point of paranoia.
Case in point, you know who.

Felix of course with his many cheap Chinese cameras

I've got a feeling Jerky Birko was directing that comment at me, which
if he wants to be that kind of juvenile moron then he can be my guest.
Still, it *is* amusing to see him make comments like this given that
when I first detailed the camera system I use here he thought it was a
good idea :)


He's such a bitter and twisted cunt these days that you have to wonder
what happened in his life to make him so.

[alvey]

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Post by Keithr0

Post by Clocky
Untrustworthy people don't trust others either, to the point of paranoia.
Case in point, you know who.

Felix of course with his many cheap Chinese cameras

I've got a feeling Jerky Birko was directing that comment at me, which
if he wants to be that kind of juvenile moron then he can be my guest.
Still, it *is* amusing to see him make comments like this given that
when I first detailed the camera system I use here he thought it was a
good idea :)
He's such a bitter and twisted cunt these days that you have to wonder
what happened in his life to make him so.

I doubt that Fraudster will ever realise that a denigration from him
equates to a glowing endorsement from a normal person.



alvey

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Daryl
I can understand having external cameras but don't get the need for
internal.

I have an 8 camera system at home, and 2 of the cameras are inside: One
in the house and one in the workshop.
The reason for that is because regardless of how you configure the
cameras externally you will always have blind spots, especially in a
property like mine that is open from all angles. I'd really need a 16
camera system to see anyone coming from every possible angle, and that's
a bit of overkill. So instead I cover most of the outside with 6
cameras, and the insides with two.
The workshop one is an obvious use as it covers most of the area and I
can see what's happening inside at night when I'm not out there, and the
one in the house is in the common area where anyone walking through the
house will be pinged.
Anyone breaking into your house or shed will spend more time inside than
out, so with indoor cameras you've got a better chance of identifying them.

You'll have a better chance identifying your neighbours you reckon?

What a awful area you must live in.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most ppl
would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than sane
people would consider necessary.

Indeed. I recall the moron complaining about how easy it was to be
scammed online, and when I described a system I use which takes a few
extra seconds and adds a layer of security that makes scamming
incredibly difficult he thought I was being silly :)

We've now all come to realise that he's so stupid that he doesn't
understand how stupid he actually is. I'll bet the rest of the FLC are
cringing right about now about him being their buddy :)
--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most
ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

Indeed. I recall the moron complaining about how easy it was to be
scammed online, and when I described a system I use which takes a few
extra seconds and adds a layer of security that makes scamming
incredibly difficult he thought I was being silly :)
We've now all come to realise that he's so stupid that he doesn't
understand how stupid he actually is. I'll bet the rest of the FLC are
cringing right about now about him being their buddy :)

Being a buddy of yours, the fraud of aus.cars, is cringeworthy!

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
he described a while back the measures he took to protect his
banking info when purchasing online. they were considerably more
than most ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

Indeed. I recall the moron complaining about how easy it was to be
scammed online, and when I described a system I use which takes a few
extra seconds and adds a layer of security that makes scamming
incredibly difficult he thought I was being silly :)
We've now all come to realise that he's so stupid that he doesn't
understand how stupid he actually is. I'll bet the rest of the FLC
are cringing right about now about him being their buddy :)

Being a buddy of yours, the fraud of aus.cars, is cringeworthy!

indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still want
to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they turned a
civil conversation about internet listening devices into a hate fest?
unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect since the
respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are worthless.
they both need to get a life.

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Xeno

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
he described a while back the measures he took to protect his
banking info when purchasing online. they were considerably more
than most ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

Indeed. I recall the moron complaining about how easy it was to be
scammed online, and when I described a system I use which takes a few
extra seconds and adds a layer of security that makes scamming
incredibly difficult he thought I was being silly :)
We've now all come to realise that he's so stupid that he doesn't
understand how stupid he actually is. I'll bet the rest of the FLC
are cringing right about now about him being their buddy :)

Being a buddy of yours, the fraud of aus.cars, is cringeworthy!

indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still want
to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they turned a
civil conversation about internet listening devices into a hate fest?
unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect since the
respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are worthless.
they both need to get a life.

Said he petulantly.

[Noddy]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still
want to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they
turned a civil conversation about internet listening devices into a
hate fest? unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect
since the respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are
worthless. they both need to get a life.

Said he petulantly.

Moronically would have been more appropriate I think. Telling people to
"get a life" when he's been one of the biggest muck rakers in this group
takes the cake. But then the cunt of a thing seems to have little else
to do with his miserable existence other than seek attention.

Until he's had enough and starts playing the victim, of course. Then
he'll start calling people pedophiles.....

[Camela Toe]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still
want to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they
turned a civil conversation about internet listening devices into a
hate fest? unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect
since the respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are
worthless. they both need to get a life.

Said he petulantly.

Moronically would have been more appropriate I think. Telling people to
"get a life" when he's been one of the biggest muck rakers in this group
takes the cake. But then the cunt of a thing seems to have little else
to do with his miserable existence other than seek attention.
Until he's had enough and starts playing the victim, of course. Then
he'll start calling people pedophiles.....

LOL!

What was that about "playing the victim" Fraudster? Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
You're making the other buffoons look Mensaworthy.


alvey

[Xeno]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still
want to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they
turned a civil conversation about internet listening devices into a
hate fest? unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect
since the respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are
worthless. they both need to get a life.

Said he petulantly.

Moronically would have been more appropriate I think. Telling people to
"get a life" when he's been one of the biggest muck rakers in this group

*YOU* have been the biggest muck raker here since your arrival on the
scene, your *history* proves it.

Post by Noddy
takes the cake. But then the cunt of a thing seems to have little else
to do with his miserable existence other than seek attention.

And you're describing yourself *perfectly*.

Post by Noddy
Until he's had enough and starts playing the victim, of course. Then

I seem to recall *YOU* playing the victim card when all your bullshit,
lies and fraudulent behaviour got exposed. So, describing yourself. What
you are now doing is a perfect example of *P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N*.

Post by Noddy
he'll start calling people pedophiles.....

[Clocky]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have or why, but still
want to throw shit. the stupidity is all theirs. and note how they
turned a civil conversation about internet listening devices into a
hate fest? unfortunately (for them) their attacks have zero effect
since the respect i have for them is zero also, so their comments are
worthless. they both need to get a life.

Said he petulantly.

Moronically would have been more appropriate I think. Telling people to
"get a life" when he's been one of the biggest muck rakers in this group
takes the cake. But then the cunt of a thing seems to have little else
to do with his miserable existence other than seek attention.
Until he's had enough and starts playing the victim, of course. Then
he'll start calling people pedophiles.....

....and 'pooof' with that literally hundreds of thousands of his own
posts that consisted of nothing but lies, vile abuse, false attributes
and undeserved character assassination disappeared in a cloud of dust as
if they never happened...

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have

You have at least 3 cheap Chinese cameras

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005002669547869.html

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
indeed. they don't even know what cameras I have

You have at least 3 cheap Chinese cameras
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005002669547869.html

I don't. but why would you say that?

[alvey]

Post by Noddy

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
he described a while back the measures he took to protect his banking
info when purchasing online. they were considerably more than most
ppl would consider necessary.

And having multiple security cameras INSIDE you house is more than
sane people would consider necessary.

Indeed. I recall the moron complaining about how easy it was to be
scammed online, and when I described a system I use which takes a few
extra seconds and adds a layer of security that makes scamming
incredibly difficult he thought I was being silly :)
We've now all come to realise that he's so stupid that he doesn't
understand how stupid he actually is. I'll bet the rest of the FLC are
cringing right about now about him being their buddy :)

Note the similarity in language of this pitiable pair. "...is more than
sane people would...", and "We've now all come to realise that...". I'd
opine that their flogging of the collective pronoun is the result of
their *never* having any experience in a serious managerial or
supervisory position. If you can't bring yourself to say, "I think
you're an idiot" and instead hide behind a collective, "We all
think...", *especially* when it's a lie, well, you're substantially
lacking in self-confidence. At least that's what we all think...


alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your firewall,
and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or
which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by
phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face
into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the
rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were
hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously easy
to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them into a
botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that you get
up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything worthwhile
to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your firewall,
and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated
automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or
which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by
phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face
into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the
rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were
hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously easy
to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them into a
botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that you get
up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything worthwhile
to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet. Now aus.cars and aus.computers are
polluted with a stupid argument between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

[alvey]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...

Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?


alvey

[Petzl]

Post by alvey

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...

Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?
alvey

You don't get much do you?
Elon Musk achievements here is just a small one of a graet many

SpaceX Nails Landing of Reusable Rocket on Land
__
Petzl
Anthony Albanese at age of 18 got a job for nine months in
commonwealth bank
<https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vern-hughes-92341119_it-is-not-true-that-anthony-albanese-has-activity-7068765502021517312-jwAC>
https://t.ly/5jJjE
It is not true that Anthony Albanese has never held a real job. He
worked in the Commonwealth Bank for 9 months when he was 18.

Albo's replacement at Commonwealth Bank

just push"F5" to remove advert

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Petzl

Post by alvey

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...

Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?
alvey

You don't get much do you?
Elon Musk achievements here is just a small one of a graet many
http://youtu.be/Aq7rDQx9jns
SpaceX Nails Landing of Reusable Rocket on Land

the richest man in the world, and likely to be the world's first
trillionaire

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/17/business/elon-musk-richest-person-trillionaire/index.html

Post by Petzl
__
Petzl
Anthony Albanese at age of 18 got a job for nine months in
commonwealth bank
<https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vern-hughes-92341119_it-is-not-true-that-anthony-albanese-has-activity-7068765502021517312-jwAC>
https://t.ly/5jJjE
It is not true that Anthony Albanese has never held a real job. He
worked in the Commonwealth Bank for 9 months when he was 18.
Albo's replacement at Commonwealth Bank
http://youtu.be/hWemeervqhA
just push"F5" to remove advert

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just be
interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics" in
their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating
them into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting
things that you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a
stupid Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just be
interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics" in
their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

well, considering the high opinion you have of yourself, it doesn't
really surprise me that you think you speak for everyone else, but that
aside, in case you haven't noticed, what happens in the USA affects us.
if the US goes down, so do we.

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

public newsgroup numbnuts

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating
them into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting
things that you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a
stupid Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just be
interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics" in
their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

well, considering the high opinion you have of yourself, it doesn't
really surprise me that you think you speak for everyone else, but that
aside, in case you haven't noticed, what happens in the USA affects us.
if the US goes down, so do we.

Hmmm, I'd say if *China* goes down, we go down commensurately. The USA?
Any effect from that direction will be way less. The government here has
allowed the country to do a *Daryl* on the economy - too many eggs in
the Chinese basket.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

public newsgroup numbnuts

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of
things" device in your home. If they are on your internal
LAN (by accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're
providing a tunnel from the supplier's computer system
through your firewall, and you have no idea how well the
supplier's end is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be,
or not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will
usually work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating
them into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting
things that you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a
stupid Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps
you should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If
you had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might
just be interested - hint: there are news groups with the word
"Politics" in their title where people discuss such things. You
could try alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you
might even be welcome there.

well, considering the high opinion you have of yourself, it doesn't
really surprise me that you think you speak for everyone else, but
that aside, in case you haven't noticed, what happens in the USA
affects us. if the US goes down, so do we.

Hmmm, I'd say if *China* goes down, we go down commensurately. The
USA? Any effect from that direction will be way less. The government
here has allowed the country to do a *Daryl* on the economy - too many
eggs in the Chinese basket.

the free world depends on the US for security, including us of course.
that's the main reason I have concern for what happens there.

Post by Xeno

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

public newsgroup numbnuts

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse
aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most
childish post in this NG?

[Clocky]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just be
interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics" in
their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

You just hands down won that competition all by yourself.

[Keithr0]

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but
I would know if they were hacked because they would have turned
to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to
monitor the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays.
but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from
them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating
them into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting
things that you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a
stupid Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just be
interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics" in
their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

You just hands down won that competition all by yourself.

I'll say this for you clocky, you never say anything unexpected, what a
boring fellow you are.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Clocky

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-
let- researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end
is protected.

I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in

No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
work by phoning home,

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing
wall surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be
seen. but I would know if they were hacked because they would
have turned to face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone
control to monitor the rooms if away for any length of time,
like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not sure what info
could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating
them into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting
things that you get up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a
stupid Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you
should address what's said instead of just complaining

And you're hell of a lot dumber since you can't work out that nobody
around here is in the least interested in your pro-Trump shit. If you
had any clue at all you'd post it somewhere where people might just
be interested - hint: there are news groups with the word "Politics"
in their title where people discuss such things. You could try
alt.politics.usa or alt.politics.trump, who knows you might even be
welcome there.

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0
Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument
between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

Are you in some sort of competition with clocky for the most childish
post in this NG?

You just hands down won that competition all by yourself.

I had thought so too, but just didn't say it. :) btw.. you were right
about Linux. It's not as good as I thought it would be. already I have
had problems with it. quite a disappointment really, as I was hoping it
would be a viable problem free alternative to windows.

[Keithr0]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi, for
example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's computer
system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well the
supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-camera-audio/104414020

I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

[Daryl]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi,
for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's
computer system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well
the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

I was wondering the same thing, its not as it needs to identify objects,
all they need are sensors.

[Xeno]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

I was wondering the same thing, its not as it needs to identify objects,
all they need are sensors.

Just look at where it's made and the CCP's surveillance tactics and motives.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

I was wondering the same thing, its not as it needs to identify
objects, all they need are sensors.

the more sophisticated ones use cameras also

https://www.ecovacs.com/au/blog/robot-vacuum-camera

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Daryl

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

I was wondering the same thing, its not as it needs to identify
objects, all they need are sensors.

the more sophisticated ones use cameras also
https://www.ecovacs.com/au/blog/robot-vacuum-camera

And LIDAR

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump into
things

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump into
things

Duh!

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump
into things

Duh!

yes, you must be stupid if you already knew the answer but still questioned

[Keithr0]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump
into things

Duh!

yes, you must be stupid if you already knew the answer but still questioned

Yes some "High end" I.E. expensive vacuums have cameras, but they serve
no purpose. Just look at the pictures in the article that I linked to,
it's just an upward looking wide angle view, zero use to the vacuum.
They are not used to guide the vacuum.

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your firewall,
and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump
into things

Duh!

yes, you must be stupid if you already knew the answer but still questioned

Yes some "High end" I.E. expensive vacuums have cameras, but they
serve no purpose.

duh! why would they be there if they serve no purpose? but in fact they
do serve a purpose as per this link I gave in an earlier post ..
https://www.ecovacs.com/au/blog/robot-vacuum-camera

Post by Keithr0
Just look at the pictures in the article that I linked to, it's just
an upward looking wide angle view, zero use to the vacuum. They are
not used to guide the vacuum.

yes they are, see above.

for someone who considers himself to be very smart, you don't appear to
be very smart.

[Xeno]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your firewall,
and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump
into things

Duh!

yes, you must be stupid if you already knew the answer but still questioned

Yes some "High end" I.E. expensive vacuums have cameras, but they
serve no purpose.

duh! why would they be there if they serve no purpose? but in fact they
do serve a purpose as per this link I gave in an earlier post ..
https://www.ecovacs.com/au/blog/robot-vacuum-camera

Post by Keithr0
Just look at the pictures in the article that I linked to, it's just
an upward looking wide angle view, zero use to the vacuum. They are
not used to guide the vacuum.

yes they are, see above.
for someone who considers himself to be very smart, you don't appear to
be very smart.

And, from your link, it would appear that the upmarket models would be
the units most likely to use cameras in tandem with other technology for
*guidance*.

[jonz]

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Mighty Mouse

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

really? isn't it obvious; so it can 'see' where to go and not bump
into things

Duh!

yes, you must be stupid if you already knew the answer but still questioned

Yes some "High end" I.E. expensive vacuums have cameras, but they
serve no purpose.

duh! why would they be there if they serve no purpose?

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 In answer to that, *you* (and others) are present in this group!!.

Post by Mighty Mouse
but in fact they do serve a purpose as per this link I gave in an
earlier post .. https://www.ecovacs.com/au/blog/robot-vacuum-camera

Post by Keithr0
Just look at the pictures in the article that I linked to, it's just
an upward looking wide angle view, zero use to the vacuum. They are
not used to guide the vacuum.

yes they are, see above.
for someone who considers himself to be very smart, you don't appear
to be very smart.

[Xeno]

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device in
your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your WiFi,
for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the supplier's
computer system through your firewall, and you have no idea how well
the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

Let me work up a likely scenario for you. The product is made in China -
that's the first red flag. China has CCTV cameras all over to monitor
its people and they include facial recognition - the second red flag. A
lot of Chinese dissidents have fled to the west and remain in hiding -
the arm of the CCP is long. The CCP want these dissidents to return to
China to face "justice" CCP style. To this end, they can only go so far
threatening relatives in China - and they do that already. The hacking
of devices like robovacs gives the CCP the ability to photograph and
identify dissidents in their homes through facial recognition. It
doesn't even need to be a robovac in a dissident's own home - it can be
at a place he/she visits - for whatever reason. Once the dissident's
whereabouts are known, pressure can be brought to bear *directly*. The
story below gives some detail, the robovac being just one *potential*
tool in the CCP arsenal.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-13/china-secret-police-operations-revealed-by-spy-four-corners/103826622

[alvey]

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

Let me work up a likely scenario for you. The product is made in China -
that's the first red flag. China has CCTV cameras all over to monitor
its people and they include facial recognition - the second red flag. A
lot of Chinese dissidents have fled to the west and remain in hiding -
the arm of the CCP is long. The CCP want these dissidents to return to
China to face "justice" CCP style. To this end, they can only go so far
threatening relatives in China - and they do that already. The hacking
of devices like robovacs gives the CCP the ability to photograph and
identify dissidents in their homes through facial recognition. It
doesn't even need to be a robovac in a dissident's own home - it can be
at a place he/she visits - for whatever reason. Once the dissident's
whereabouts are known, pressure can be brought to bear *directly*. The
story below gives some detail, the robovac being just one *potential*
tool in the CCP arsenal.

And one that will soon be added is amazing, but seriously disturbing.

"The second, related development came from a pair of US college students
who developed a way to combine Meta’s Ray-Ban glasses with facial
recognition technology. Tech outlet 404 Media reported that they had
hacked together a system that allowed them to use the glasses’ camera to
take a photo of someone, identify them using facial recognition service
PimEyes, and pull information from the web about the person.

They were able to look at a stranger and almost instantaneously know
their name, occupation, where they lived and sometimes even what their
phone numbers were. For all intents and purposes, the adoption of this
technology eliminates any semblance of privacy. Thankfully, the pair of
students haven’t released it publicly but it’s only a matter of time
until someone does the same thing."

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/10/04/mark-zuckerberg-meta-facial-recognition-privacy/

alvey

[Lindsay]

Post by alvey
They were able to look at a stranger and almost instantaneously know
their name, occupation, where they lived and sometimes even what their
phone numbers were. For all intents and purposes, the adoption of this
technology eliminates any semblance of privacy. Thankfully, the pair of
students haven’t released it publicly but it’s only a matter of time
until someone does the same thing."

I'd imagine the chinese have already stolen the data..

Now, when the x-ray glasses in the comic books come out...

[alvey]

Post by Lindsay

Post by alvey
They were able to look at a stranger and almost instantaneously know
their name, occupation, where they lived and sometimes even what their
phone numbers were. For all intents and purposes, the adoption of this
technology eliminates any semblance of privacy. Thankfully, the pair
of students haven’t released it publicly but it’s only a matter of
time until someone does the same thing."

I'd imagine the chinese have already stolen the data..

Perhaps the Israelis should put an unbeatable tender in for their
construction? They look like an ideal application for their pager
technology...


alvey

[Mighty Mouse]

Post by alvey

Post by Xeno

Post by Keithr0

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Keithr0
It's the manufacturers software.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
researchers-track-hack-cars/

The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device
in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your
WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the
supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no
idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
Sylvia.

Here is an excellent example
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-04/robot-vacuum-hacked-photos-
camera-audio/104414020
I do fail to understand why a vacuum cleaner needs a camera.

Let me work up a likely scenario for you. The product is made in
China - that's the first red flag. China has CCTV cameras all over to
monitor its people and they include facial recognition - the second
red flag. A lot of Chinese dissidents have fled to the west and
remain in hiding - the arm of the CCP is long. The CCP want these
dissidents to return to China to face "justice" CCP style. To this
end, they can only go so far threatening relatives in China - and
they do that already. The hacking of devices like robovacs gives the
CCP the ability to photograph and identify dissidents in their homes
through facial recognition. It doesn't even need to be a robovac in a
dissident's own home - it can be at a place he/she visits - for
whatever reason. Once the dissident's whereabouts are known, pressure
can be brought to bear *directly*. The story below gives some detail,
the robovac being just one *potential* tool in the CCP arsenal.

And one that will soon be added is amazing, but seriously disturbing.
"The second, related development came from a pair of US college
students who developed a way to combine Meta’s Ray-Ban glasses with
facial recognition technology. Tech outlet 404 Media reported that
they had hacked together a system that allowed them to use the
glasses’ camera to take a photo of someone, identify them using facial
recognition service PimEyes, and pull information from the web about
the person.
They were able to look at a stranger and almost instantaneously know
their name, occupation, where they lived and sometimes even what their
phone numbers were.

I assume only if that information is publicly available on the web

Post by alvey
For all intents and purposes, the adoption of this technology
eliminates any semblance of privacy. Thankfully, the pair of students
haven’t released it publicly but it’s only a matter of time until
someone does the same thing."

or until glasses are produced specifically to do it, and with access to
all government data bases if developed for government agencies, eg.,
CIA, FBI, etc., or the military

Post by alvey
https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/10/04/mark-zuckerberg-meta-facial-recognition-privacy/
alvey