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Keithr0
2025-02-06 10:12:06 UTC
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/58-billion-honda-nissan-merger-is-in-deep-trouble/

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/tesla-sales-plummet-in-the-uk-france-and-germany/

Driving up the Bruce on Tuesday, I passed two small car transporters, 3
vehicles each all BYDs. What surprised me was that 4 of the 6 were utes,
I've never seen one on the road.
Daryl
2025-02-06 10:29:52 UTC
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/58-billion-honda-nissan-merger-is-
in-deep-trouble/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/tesla-sales-plummet-in-the-uk-
france-and-germany/
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
Post by Keithr0
Driving up the Bruce on Tuesday, I passed two small car transporters, 3
vehicles each all BYDs. What surprised me was that 4 of the 6 were utes,
I've never seen one on the road.
I've not seen one either but my mate's son in Qld has ordered one, don't
think its been delivered yet but no doubt I will get a review when he
gets it.
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-06 18:22:27 UTC
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/58-billion-honda-nissan-merger-
is- in-deep-trouble/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/tesla-sales-plummet-in-the-uk-
france-and-germany/
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
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Post by Keithr0
Driving up the Bruce on Tuesday, I passed two small car transporters,
3 vehicles each all BYDs. What surprised me was that 4 of the 6 were
utes, I've never seen one on the road.
I've not seen one either but my mate's son in Qld has ordered one, don't
think its been delivered yet but no doubt I will get a review when he
gets it.
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Noddy
2025-02-06 20:44:24 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)

Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.

The novelty is starting to wear off.
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-06 20:55:14 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?

Focus on the highlighted words:

"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally realizing
that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
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Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
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Daryl
2025-02-07 04:36:59 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally realizing
that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
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Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars themselves
are the issue but other factors mostly public charging cost, overall
they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to believe especially
if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-07 06:04:06 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally realizing
that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
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Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars themselves
are the issue but other factors mostly public charging cost, overall
they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to believe especially
if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.

https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-tesla-australia/

Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
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Daryl
2025-02-07 06:36:14 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to
increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact that
Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally
realizing that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
Post by Noddy
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
I was referring to public chargers, not charging at home, in the UK they
did a survey on how many people had access to charging at home on off
peak power and it was about 50% so 50% don't have access and have to use
public chargers.
Don't know if anyone has done a similar survey here but since a lot of
people live in flats/units/apartments I wouldn't be surprised if the
numbers were similar.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore, some locations offer free charging but its not universal
and not just for Tesla.
https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/are-tesla-charging-stations-free
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-07 08:23:41 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made
out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to
increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact that
Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally
realizing that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
Post by Noddy
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
I was referring to public chargers, not charging at home, in the UK they
did a survey on how many people had access to charging at home on off
peak power and it was about 50% so 50% don't have access and have to use
public chargers.
**Read my cite. Apart from a shoebox sized Diesel, no car can attain the
cost per km that a Tesla can. AND, as I stated, many Tesla owners can
charge their cars for free from Tesla chargers.
Post by Daryl
Don't know if anyone has done a similar survey here but since a lot of
people live in flats/units/apartments I wouldn't be surprised if the
numbers were similar.
**I provided you with some hard data. Read it.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.

some locations offer free charging but its not universal
Post by Daryl
and not just for Tesla.
https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/are-tesla-charging-stations-free
**You just cited a US one. Try Australia next time.

https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-tesla-australia/

To fully charge the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD (the model I drove)
will cost $33.75 (average cost for a public charger). That would get me
at least 500km (claimed range is 629km) of driving. Can you find a
petrol car that would provide 500km for $33.75 worth of 91RON? Maybe a
shoebox and certainly not one that would make your Porsche look like a
pedal car.

Read the comparison in 'fuel' costs between the Tesla and a Toyota Camry
(4.7L/100km). If you use anything but a Tesla Supercharger, the Tesla is
WAY cheaper to drive.
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Noddy
2025-02-07 09:12:54 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople. They're
full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look like
Mother Theresa.
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https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
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Xeno
2025-02-07 09:52:24 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople. They're
full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look like
Mother Theresa.
What? They make you look like Mother Theresa? Nah, she had bigger balls
than you!
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https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
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Xeno
2025-02-07 12:54:23 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople. They're
full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look like
Mother Theresa.
Might be better if *you* do the research.

For instance;

The phrase “in the meantime” means “in the intervening time.”
The standalone adverb meantime is a synonym for “meanwhile.”
Mean time (two words) is a scientific measurement of time
(e.g., Greenwich Mean Time)

https://quillbot.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/meantime-or-mean-time/

If nothing else, you might make yourself look a little less illiterate.
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Daryl
2025-02-07 22:30:55 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople. They're
full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look like
Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you are
me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect a
cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand with
cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the initial
outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
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Noddy
2025-02-08 10:02:49 UTC
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Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look
like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you are
me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect a
cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand with
cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the initial
outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
That's the thing. Some people ignore the hardware costs when doing their
overall calculations. Charging your EV during the day by solar *isn't*
free if it cost you 20 grand to install the solar system and wall
charger that enables you to do it.
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Daryl
2025-02-08 11:10:49 UTC
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Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the
initial outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
That's the thing. Some people ignore the hardware costs when doing their
overall calculations. Charging your EV during the day by solar *isn't*
free if it cost you 20 grand to install the solar system and wall
charger that enables you to do it.
People feel the need to justify purchasing an EV they seem to love to
tell everyone how cheap they are to run whilst ignoring the high initial
purchase price and the cost of installing solar etc, even home chargers
aren't cheap.
True cost of EV ownership will only be known over a long period of time.
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MightyMouse
2025-02-09 01:28:15 UTC
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Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with
a battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components
expect a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few
thousand with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the
initial outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
That's the thing. Some people ignore the hardware costs when doing
their overall calculations. Charging your EV during the day by solar
*isn't* free if it cost you 20 grand to install the solar system and
wall charger that enables you to do it.
People feel the need to justify purchasing an EV they seem to love to
tell everyone how cheap they are to run whilst ignoring the high
initial purchase price and the cost of installing solar etc, even home
chargers aren't cheap.
ppl don't have to install solar to charge an EV, but if they already
have solar then it makes the cost of charging cheaper.
Post by Daryl
True cost of EV ownership will only be known over a long period of time.
yep
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-08 23:24:11 UTC
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Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look
like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you are
me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect a
cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand with
cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the initial
outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2 ~
5 years. After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years. At
least.
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Daryl
2025-02-09 05:02:05 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me
that charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a
Tesla, I will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the
initial outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2 ~
5 years. After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years. At
least.
I doubt that too many systems would pay themselves off in 2yrs, 5yrs
sounds about right but if you add a battery you can add a few years to that.
I've had solar for about 15yrs plus I used to install solar so I do have
some idea of how it works.
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Noddy
2025-02-09 08:36:41 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2
~ 5 years. After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years.
At least.
I doubt that too many systems would pay themselves off in 2yrs, 5yrs
sounds about right but if you add a battery you can add a few years to that.
I've had solar for about 15yrs plus I used to install solar so I do have
some idea of how it works.
I paid my system off in just over 2 years, but that's because I was
getting the premium feed in tariff. If it weren't for that it would take
*way* longer.
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Keithr0
2025-02-09 05:12:59 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me
that charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a
Tesla, I will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the
initial outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2 ~
5 years. After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years. At
least.
By my calculations from my most recent power bill and Daryl's estimate
of $15K for a 6 Kw system with battery, we use about 10Kwh per day at
44.11c/Kwh that's about 13.9 years for it to pay off. A bit different to
2-5 years.
Noddy
2025-02-09 08:37:10 UTC
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**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2
~ 5 years. After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years.
At least.
By my calculations from my most recent power bill and Daryl's estimate
of $15K for a 6 Kw system with battery, we use about 10Kwh per day at
44.11c/Kwh that's about 13.9 years for it to pay off. A bit different to
2-5 years.
Very.
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Noddy
2025-02-09 08:35:31 UTC
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I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the
initial outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
**Payback period for a typical Sydney Solar installation is between 2 ~
5 years.
ROTFL :) And how exactly do you work that out? :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
After that, the electricity is free for the next 25 years. At
least.
Assuming the equipment lasts that long.
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Noddy.
Keithr0
2025-02-09 05:04:25 UTC
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Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case look
like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you are
me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect a
cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand with
cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
According to my most recent power bill, it would take about 14 years to
recover such an investment.
Post by Daryl
Over time the system will pay for itself but you still have the initial
outlay so charging an EV is not free no matter how you do it.
Daryl
2025-02-09 05:13:43 UTC
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Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me
that charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a
Tesla, I will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
According to my most recent power bill, it would take about 14 years to
recover such an investment.
Take away the battery and the time would come down considerably, at this
point in time batteries really aren't worth the money for most people.
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Keithr0
2025-02-09 07:34:19 UTC
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Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me
that charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a
Tesla, I will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with a
battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components expect
a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few thousand
with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
According to my most recent power bill, it would take about 14 years
to recover such an investment.
Take away the battery and the time would come down considerably, at this
point in time batteries really aren't worth the money for most people.
Take away the battery, and it's not worth it at all at 6c/Kwh feed in
tariff.
Noddy
2025-02-09 08:38:42 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Take away the battery and the time would come down considerably, at
this point in time batteries really aren't worth the money for most
people.
Take away the battery, and it's not worth it at all at 6c/Kwh feed in
tariff.
It depends on what you're running during the day. For some it's a huge
benefit. For others not so much.
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Daryl
2025-02-09 10:02:37 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me
that charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a
Tesla, I will get it in writing.
Trevor, you *really* need to stop listening to car salespeople.
They're full of shit to the point where they make the Mental Case
look like Mother Theresa.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://zecar.com/resources/cost-to-charge-a-tesla
I posted a link yesterday that said the same thing, charging is not
free, even if you have solar at home its still not free (unless you
are me who has a very generous son who installed my solar for free).
As recently as last night I asked my son how much a 6kw system with
a battery costs, he said that if you use good quality components
expect a cost of around $15k, you can reduce that price by a few
thousand with cheap components but he doesn't recommend doing that.
According to my most recent power bill, it would take about 14 years
to recover such an investment.
Take away the battery and the time would come down considerably, at
this point in time batteries really aren't worth the money for most
people.
Take away the battery, and it's not worth it at all at 6c/Kwh feed in
tariff.
Depends how much you are paying for power now.
With solar you learn to use big power consuming appliances like clothes
washing machines and dishwashers in the daytime when the sun is shining
so you don't import much from the grid.
Every light in my house is LED which use bugger all power.
I don't have a battery yet my electricity bill is approx $500 in credit
although that is partly due to the Fed Govt power subsidy but even
without it I would still be in credit.
Solar without a battery will reduce your power bill significantly and
the savings pay back the cost of the solar installation, there are a lot
of variables but its still worth having without a battery.
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Daryl
2025-02-07 22:53:26 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made
out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good
indeed. The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due
to increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact
that Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally
realizing that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
Post by Noddy
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
I was referring to public chargers, not charging at home, in the UK
they did a survey on how many people had access to charging at home on
off peak power and it was about 50% so 50% don't have access and have
to use public chargers.
**Read my cite. Apart from a shoebox sized Diesel, no car can attain the
cost per km that a Tesla can. AND, as I stated, many Tesla owners can
charge their cars for free from Tesla chargers.
Post by Daryl
Don't know if anyone has done a similar survey here but since a lot of
people live in flats/units/apartments I wouldn't be surprised if the
numbers were similar.
**I provided you with some hard data. Read it.
Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
 some locations offer free charging but its not universal
Post by Daryl
and not just for Tesla.
https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/are-tesla-charging-stations-
free
**You just cited a US one. Try Australia next time.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
To fully charge the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD (the model I drove)
will cost $33.75 (average cost for a public charger). That would get me
at least 500km (claimed range is 629km) of driving. Can you find a
petrol car that would provide 500km for $33.75 worth of 91RON? Maybe a
shoebox and certainly not one that would make your Porsche look like a
pedal car.
So not free then.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Read the comparison in 'fuel' costs between the Tesla and a Toyota Camry
(4.7L/100km). If you use anything but a Tesla Supercharger, the Tesla is
WAY cheaper to drive.
Anyone who has ever owned a car will know that "fuel" is just one of the
many cost of car ownership.
A genuine comparison of total ownership costs can only be done over a
long period say 10yrs.
EV batteries are lasting longer than many predicted but they still don't
last forever, I watched a video last night about a high mileage Model S
in the UK, the main battery failed and replacement cost was 18 thousand
UK pounds which is roughly $36k AU so the car was written off and he
then bought another cheap Model S.
He is also very critical of the build quality which he describes as
"appalling" and that is from someone who owns many Ferrari.

I know its an early car but it certainly hasn't aged well, my daughter
in laws 2011 MB C350 Coupe is in mint condition compared to that Tesla.
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MightyMouse
2025-02-09 01:20:33 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are
made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good
indeed. The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due
to increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact
that Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally
realizing that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
Post by Noddy
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about
range anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main
concerns amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
I was referring to public chargers, not charging at home, in the UK
they did a survey on how many people had access to charging at home
on off peak power and it was about 50% so 50% don't have access and
have to use public chargers.
**Read my cite. Apart from a shoebox sized Diesel, no car can attain
the cost per km that a Tesla can. AND, as I stated, many Tesla owners
can charge their cars for free from Tesla chargers.
Post by Daryl
Don't know if anyone has done a similar survey here but since a lot
of people live in flats/units/apartments I wouldn't be surprised if
the numbers were similar.
**I provided you with some hard data. Read it.
Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
  some locations offer free charging but its not universal
Post by Daryl
and not just for Tesla.
https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/are-tesla-charging-stations-
free
**You just cited a US one. Try Australia next time.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
To fully charge the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD (the model I drove)
will cost $33.75 (average cost for a public charger). That would get
me at least 500km (claimed range is 629km) of driving. Can you find a
petrol car that would provide 500km for $33.75 worth of 91RON? Maybe
a shoebox and certainly not one that would make your Porsche look
like a pedal car.
So not free then.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Read the comparison in 'fuel' costs between the Tesla and a Toyota
Camry (4.7L/100km). If you use anything but a Tesla Supercharger, the
Tesla is WAY cheaper to drive.
Anyone who has ever owned a car will know that "fuel" is just one of
the many cost of car ownership.
A genuine comparison of total ownership costs can only be done over a
long period say 10yrs.
EV batteries are lasting longer than many predicted but they still
don't last forever, I watched a video last night about a high mileage
Model S in the UK, the main battery failed and replacement cost was 18
thousand UK pounds which is roughly $36k AU so the car was written off
and he then bought another cheap Model S.
He is also very critical of the build quality which he describes as
"appalling" and that is from someone who owns many Ferrari.
http://youtu.be/Q7m-rZ_eZYE
I know its an early car but it certainly hasn't aged well, my daughter
in laws 2011 MB C350 Coupe is in mint condition compared to that Tesla.
taxis in China have 'changeover batteries'. when the battery is low,
just drive in to the service centre and swap out the battery with a
fully charged one in a few minutes. no down time charging.
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Xeno
2025-02-09 02:06:30 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are
made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good
indeed. The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due
to increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact
that Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
**I read EVERY word that Dazza wrote. Did you?
"I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are finally
realizing that _EV's are not as good as they are made out to be_."
Post by Noddy
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about
range anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main
concerns amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-
charge- tesla-australia/
I was referring to public chargers, not charging at home, in the UK
they did a survey on how many people had access to charging at home
on off peak power and it was about 50% so 50% don't have access and
have to use public chargers.
**Read my cite. Apart from a shoebox sized Diesel, no car can attain
the cost per km that a Tesla can. AND, as I stated, many Tesla owners
can charge their cars for free from Tesla chargers.
Post by Daryl
Don't know if anyone has done a similar survey here but since a lot
of people live in flats/units/apartments I wouldn't be surprised if
the numbers were similar.
**I provided you with some hard data. Read it.
Post by Daryl
Post by Trevor Wilson
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
Not anymore,
**As of when? I tested a Tesla two weeks ago and they assured me that
charging was free from many Tesla chargers. IF I purchase a Tesla, I
will get it in writing.
  some locations offer free charging but its not universal
Post by Daryl
and not just for Tesla.
https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-articles/are-tesla-charging-
stations- free
**You just cited a US one. Try Australia next time.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
To fully charge the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD (the model I drove)
will cost $33.75 (average cost for a public charger). That would get
me at least 500km (claimed range is 629km) of driving. Can you find a
petrol car that would provide 500km for $33.75 worth of 91RON? Maybe
a shoebox and certainly not one that would make your Porsche look
like a pedal car.
So not free then.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Read the comparison in 'fuel' costs between the Tesla and a Toyota
Camry (4.7L/100km). If you use anything but a Tesla Supercharger, the
Tesla is WAY cheaper to drive.
Anyone who has ever owned a car will know that "fuel" is just one of
the many cost of car ownership.
A genuine comparison of total ownership costs can only be done over a
long period say 10yrs.
EV batteries are lasting longer than many predicted but they still
don't last forever, I watched a video last night about a high mileage
Model S in the UK, the main battery failed and replacement cost was 18
thousand UK pounds which is roughly $36k AU so the car was written off
and he then bought another cheap Model S.
He is also very critical of the build quality which he describes as
"appalling" and that is from someone who owns many Ferrari.
http://youtu.be/Q7m-rZ_eZYE
I know its an early car but it certainly hasn't aged well, my daughter
in laws 2011 MB C350 Coupe is in mint condition compared to that Tesla.
taxis in China have 'changeover batteries'. when the battery is low,
just drive in to the service centre and swap out the battery with a
fully charged one in a few minutes. no down time charging.
That brings into question just who owns the batteries. If you own a
fleet of BEVs, you can manage a battery swap arrangement easily since
you can own a surplus of batteries and the vehicles. It becomes a tad
fraught when you have a BEV but do not own the batteries. That involves
some battery leasing arrangements and they have been tried before with
little success.
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
Noddy
2025-02-07 09:08:15 UTC
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I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-07 09:30:13 UTC
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Post by Daryl
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it is
cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car. Taking
luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
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Noddy
2025-02-07 13:52:16 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it is
cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car. Taking
luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
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Noddy.
Trevor Wilson
2025-02-07 20:42:24 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?

For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD that
I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to it. It
is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
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2025-02-07 21:52:45 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?
There is nothing "weird" about that. I've never driven an MG, but I can
tell you that I don't want one.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD that
I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to it. It
is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
And it's comments like this that lead me to conclude that you have
absolutely no idea what 75 grand buys you in a car today.

Take our Kia Sorento GT Line for example. It seats 7, has real leather,
has heated and cooled seats, has a panoramic glass roof with a large
sunroof and electric curtain, an awesome Bose sound system, every
convenience and assistance program of the Telsa and then some, is
stupidly frugal on fuel getting over a thousand km's per tank and is a
great drive. In short, it offers *way* more than the Tesla 3 long range
for a couple of grand less out the door.

If you think "nothing comes close" then you are genuinely ignorant of
alternatives.
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Noddy.
alvey
2025-02-08 02:19:31 UTC
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Post by Noddy
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?
There is nothing "weird" about that. I've never driven an MG, but I can
tell you that I don't want one.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD
that I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to
it. It is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
And it's comments like this that lead me to conclude that you have
absolutely no idea what 75 grand buys you in a car today.
Take our Kia Sorento GT Line for example. It seats 7, has real leather,
has heated and cooled seats, has a panoramic glass roof with a large
sunroof and electric curtain, an awesome Bose sound system, every
convenience and assistance program of the Telsa and then some, is
stupidly frugal on fuel getting over a thousand km's per tank and is a
great drive. In short, it offers *way* more than the Tesla 3 long range
for a couple of grand less out the door.
If you think "nothing comes close" then you are genuinely ignorant of
alternatives.
With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed to
notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in his
drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty sedan
to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.

Onya Buffo!
MightyMouse
2025-02-09 01:21:23 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?
There is nothing "weird" about that. I've never driven an MG, but I
can tell you that I don't want one.
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For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD
that I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to
it. It is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
And it's comments like this that lead me to conclude that you have
absolutely no idea what 75 grand buys you in a car today.
Take our Kia Sorento GT Line for example. It seats 7, has real
leather, has heated and cooled seats, has a panoramic glass roof with
a large sunroof and electric curtain, an awesome Bose sound system,
every convenience and assistance program of the Telsa and then some,
is stupidly frugal on fuel getting over a thousand km's per tank and
is a great drive. In short, it offers *way* more than the Tesla 3
long range for a couple of grand less out the door.
If you think "nothing comes close" then you are genuinely ignorant of
alternatives.
With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed to
notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in his
drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
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2025-02-09 08:40:49 UTC
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drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
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2025-02-09 08:51:23 UTC
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sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest.
A lot more sports sedan than the stage coach you're comparing it to, fool.

They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
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old Fairlane :)
The Tesla would absolutely smoke that ugly old Faillane.
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his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest.
A lot more sports sedan than the stage coach you're comparing it to, fool.
They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
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old Fairlane :)
The Tesla would absolutely smoke that ugly old Faillane.
**A V6 Camry would smoke his Failane. My 23 year old, 2.5L Nissan would
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed
to notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in
his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest.
A lot more sports sedan than the stage coach you're comparing it to, fool.
They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
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old Fairlane :)
The Tesla would absolutely smoke that ugly old Faillane.
The last time I saw his Failaine it was an unregistered, rusting and
engine-less hulk. Come to think of it, that same description equally
applies to its owner.

Anyhoo, if he ever put the girders and iron back into it then it'd
probably go like a startled cheetah. Who could forget the Failaine he
claimed to have had yet another blameless accident in? You know, "doing
130mph in the pissing rain", where the factory top speed of that model
was listed as 113.

Onya Buffo!



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2025-02-09 09:06:56 UTC
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drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
old Fairlane :)
That rolscanardly pile of rust? You're kidding, right?
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2025-02-09 10:06:33 UTC
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed to
notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in his
drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
old Fairlane :)
Funny that my friends that own a Model 3 also own a Hybrid Camry which
is the 2 cars Trev compared.
Guess which car they take when they go on a long drive?
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2025-02-09 11:25:18 UTC
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Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Funny that my friends that own a Model 3 also own a Hybrid Camry which
is the 2 cars Trev compared.
Guess which car they take when they go on a long drive?
Hint its not the Tesla simply because charging away from home is a PITA.
For the life of me I cannot see what Trevor regards as "luxury" in the
Tesla. I find the opposite to be true. They're extremely spartan inside,
have pretty average seats with vinyl trim, lumbar support only on the
driver's seat and a complete lack of grab handles makes them a *cunt* of
a thing to get in and out of.

Whatever he can see in the things, I'm just not getting it.
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2025-02-09 12:45:42 UTC
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Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Funny that my friends that own a Model 3 also own a Hybrid Camry which
is the 2 cars Trev compared.
Guess which car they take when they go on a long drive?
Hint its not the Tesla simply because charging away from home is a PITA.
For the life of me I cannot see what Trevor regards as "luxury" in the
Tesla. I find the opposite to be true. They're extremely spartan inside,
have pretty average seats with vinyl trim, lumbar support only on the
driver's seat and a complete lack of grab handles makes them a *cunt* of
a thing to get in and out of.
Only for cripples like you Darren.
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alvey
2025-02-09 21:36:18 UTC
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Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Funny that my friends that own a Model 3 also own a Hybrid Camry which
is the 2 cars Trev compared.
Guess which car they take when they go on a long drive?
Hint its not the Tesla simply because charging away from home is a PITA.
For the life of me I cannot see what Trevor regards as "luxury" in the
Tesla. I find the opposite to be true. They're extremely spartan inside,
have pretty average seats with vinyl trim, lumbar support only on the
driver's seat and a complete lack of grab handles makes them a *cunt* of
a thing to get in and out of.
Whatever he can see in the things, I'm just not getting it.
And that's a big plus for Trevor's opinion...

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2025-02-09 21:34:43 UTC
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed
to notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in
his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Funny that my friends that own a Model 3 also own a Hybrid Camry which
is the 2 cars Trev compared.
Guess which car they take when they go on a long drive?
Hint its not the Tesla simply because charging away from home is a PITA.
I wish that someone would explain to Deryl that his endless examples
mentioning *one* friend or family member does not a compelling argument
make.
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2025-02-09 10:20:36 UTC
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notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in his
drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
old Fairlane :)
Poor old Fraudster. So shit-scared of losing his one area of expertise
that he has to resort to this steaming pile of errors and lies to try
and hold back the tide.



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2025-02-09 11:22:39 UTC
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed
to notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in
his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Poor old Fraudster. So shit-scared of losing his one area of expertise
that he has to resort to this steaming pile of errors and lies to try
and hold back the tide.
he has an area of expertise??
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2025-02-09 12:45:03 UTC
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed
to notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in
his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
Poor old Fraudster. So shit-scared of losing his one area of expertise
that he has to resort to this steaming pile of errors and lies to try
and hold back the tide.
he has an area of expertise??
Yeah, bullshit! It has to be said though that bullshit artists need a
good memory and his is crap - he can't remember previous lies he's told
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2025-02-09 12:41:05 UTC
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With your entirely self-centered 'outlook' you've obviously failed
to notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in
his drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely
sporty sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50
year old Fairlane :)
It's quite obvious that the fraudster has no idea whatsoever of
handling, what it means and how it is achieved in modern vehicles. His
50 year old relic is a hangover from the days when handling was designed
around *cross ply tyres*. Just about *anything* produced in the last ten
years would shit all over his fairlane in performance, handling and
braking. In fact, his Fairlane was the epitome of cars that went well in
a straight line *in the 70s*.
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Poor old Fraudster. So shit-scared of losing his one area of expertise
that he has to resort to this steaming pile of errors and lies to try
and hold back the tide.
Yep, his one and only area of expertise - spinning bullshit!
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notice that Trevor is partial to a bit of speed and handling in his
drive. Consequently you're comparing a reasonably/extremely sporty
sedan to this centuries equivalent to a Cobb & Co stagecoach.
yes, lol
Lol indeed. There is n othing "sports sedan" about a Tesla in the
slightest. They go well in a straight line. Big deal. So does my 50 year
old Fairlane :)
**When did you last drive a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD?

I drove one a few weeks back. It is every bit the definition of a
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2025-02-08 06:18:18 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?
There is nothing "weird" about that. I've never driven an MG, but I can
tell you that I don't want one.
Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD
that I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to
it. It is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
And it's comments like this that lead me to conclude that you have
absolutely no idea what 75 grand buys you in a car today.
Take our Kia Sorento GT Line for example. It seats 7, has real leather,
has heated and cooled seats, has a panoramic glass roof with a large
sunroof and electric curtain, an awesome Bose sound system, every
convenience and assistance program of the Telsa and then some, is
stupidly frugal on fuel getting over a thousand km's per tank and is a
great drive. In short, it offers *way* more than the Tesla 3 long range
for a couple of grand less out the door.
If you think "nothing comes close" then you are genuinely ignorant of
alternatives.
You forgot that fragile engine and the fact that it's Korean shit.
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2025-02-09 01:24:00 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oddly enough, it's the people (like Dazza) who have never driven a
Tesla, are their most strident critics. Weird huh?
There is nothing "weird" about that. I've never driven an MG, but I
can tell you that I don't want one.
maybe you don't, but I'm very happy with the ZS. except I have to get
the steering problem fixed.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
For my part, there are aspects of the Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD
that I don't much care for. However, for $75k NOTHING comes close to
it. It is a lot of car for reasonable dough.
And it's comments like this that lead me to conclude that you have
absolutely no idea what 75 grand buys you in a car today.
Take our Kia Sorento GT Line for example. It seats 7, has real
leather, has heated and cooled seats, has a panoramic glass roof with
a large sunroof and electric curtain, an awesome Bose sound system,
every convenience and assistance program of the Telsa and then some,
is stupidly frugal on fuel getting over a thousand km's per tank and
is a great drive. In short, it offers *way* more than the Tesla 3
long range for a couple of grand less out the door.
If you think "nothing comes close" then you are genuinely ignorant of
alternatives.
You forgot that fragile engine and the fact that it's Korean shit.
and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
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2025-02-09 08:41:49 UTC
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
That sure is obvious, I've not driven either a late model Camry or a
Model 3 but all reports say they both drive very well, the Camry in
particular is a very good car and there is no doubt that its much better
value for money than any Tesla.
For some unknown reason Telsa fanboys rant about acceleration when the
reality is that acceleration or 0-100 times are irrelevant in daily
driving, they also ignore the fact that hard acceleration used
frequently dramatically reduces battery range so its nothing more than a
party trick.
I also note that so far Trev has ignored the link I posted where a Tesla
model S owner talks about his car comparing running cost saving vs time
spent charging, the Tesla was slightly cheaper to run (in the UK) but if
you factor in the time spent charging he didn't think the savings were
really worth much.
He also mentioned the appalling build quality, his is an early car and
no doubt they have improved but it was pretty bad and that was coming
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2025-02-09 11:20:36 UTC
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
comparing a Kia Sorrento to a Tesla sedan *IS* like comparing chalk with
cheese, you stupid dumbass lying fuckwit!
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That sure is obvious,
only to someone as stupid as you
Post by Daryl
I've not driven either a late model Camry or a Model 3 but all reports
say they both drive very well, the Camry in particular is a very good
car and there is no doubt that its much better value for money than
any Tesla.
For some unknown reason Telsa fanboys rant about acceleration when the
reality is that acceleration or 0-100 times are irrelevant in daily
driving, they also ignore the fact that hard acceleration used
frequently dramatically reduces battery range so its nothing more than
a party trick.
I also note that so far Trev has ignored the link I posted where a
Tesla model S owner talks about his car comparing running cost saving
vs time spent charging, the Tesla was slightly cheaper to run (in the
UK) but if you factor in the time spent charging he didn't think the
savings were really worth much.
He also mentioned the appalling build quality, his is an early car and
no doubt they have improved but it was pretty bad and that was coming
from a Ferrari owner who is very used to crap build quality.
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2025-02-09 11:48:30 UTC
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Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
comparing a Kia Sorrento to a Tesla sedan *IS* like comparing chalk with
cheese, you stupid dumbass lying fuckwit!
You really are fucking retarded. Trevor mentioned that as far as the
Tesla 3 is concerned nothing else comes close for the money. The Sorento
GT Line offers a whole lot more for about 5 grand less.

Had Trevor narrowed the selection criteria down to small 4 door sedans
capable of 0-100 in 4 seconds *then* he may have had a point. But he
didn't, therefore he didn't.
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2025-02-09 12:28:07 UTC
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Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
comparing a Kia Sorrento to a Tesla sedan *IS* like comparing chalk
with cheese, you stupid dumbass lying fuckwit!
You really are fucking retarded. Trevor mentioned that as far as the
Tesla 3 is concerned nothing else comes close for the money. The Sorento
GT Line offers a whole lot more for about 5 grand less.
Ok, lets simplify this. I enjoy driving 'enthusiatically', so why would
I get a minibus?

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2025-02-09 11:44:10 UTC
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
That sure is obvious, I've not driven either a late model Camry or a
Model 3 but all reports say they both drive very well, the Camry in
particular is a very good car and there is no doubt that its much better
value for money than any Tesla.
By light-years. The Camry Hybrid is an excellent car, and if I had to
have a sedan then that's what it would be.
Post by Daryl
For some unknown reason Telsa fanboys rant about acceleration when the
reality is that acceleration or 0-100 times are irrelevant in daily
driving, they also ignore the fact that hard acceleration used
frequently dramatically reduces battery range so its nothing more than a
party trick.
Pretty much.

I know Trevor likes to brag about "Ferrari like performance" and
excellent range out of the things, but he usually neglects to mention
that they're mutually exclusive in that you can have one *or* the other
but not both simultaneously, *and* that there is a grand canyon of
difference in the performance spec spread across the model 3 range.

The top of the line AWD dual motor long range "Performance" variant will
hit 100km/h in 4 seconds which fucking fast, but the base model single
motor 2WD will hit the ton in 6 seconds, which is a whole lot less
quick. It's also not cheap, with the "Performance" model costing 80
grand out the door.
Post by Daryl
I also note that so far Trev has ignored the link I posted where a Tesla
model S owner talks about his car comparing running cost saving vs time
spent charging, the Tesla was slightly cheaper to run (in the UK) but if
you factor in the time spent charging he didn't think the savings were
really worth much.
I don't think too many people who are prepared to spend 80 grand on a
car the size of a Toyota Corolla are going to be all that concerned
about running costs to be honest, and it's more a case of having
something to talk up as there seems to be fuck all else about the things
to get excited about.
Post by Daryl
He also mentioned the appalling build quality, his is an early car and
no doubt they have improved but it was pretty bad and that was coming
from a Ferrari owner who is very used to crap build quality.
The Chinese built ones are apparently a whole lot better than the US
ones, but those I've seen up close have been made in China and the build
quality didn't strike me as anything fantastic. Not bad, but kind of
late model Ford equivalent. Certainly not as nice as anything Japanese
or Korean, but not anywhere near as bad as anything made by Holden :)
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2025-02-09 12:50:02 UTC
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
That sure is obvious, I've not driven either a late model Camry or a
Model 3 but all reports say they both drive very well, the Camry in
particular is a very good car and there is no doubt that its much
better value for money than any Tesla.
By light-years. The Camry Hybrid is an excellent car, and if I had to
have a sedan then that's what it would be.
Post by Daryl
For some unknown reason Telsa fanboys rant about acceleration when the
reality is that acceleration or 0-100 times are irrelevant in daily
driving, they also ignore the fact that hard acceleration used
frequently dramatically reduces battery range so its nothing more than
a party trick.
Pretty much.
I know Trevor likes to brag about "Ferrari like performance" and
excellent range out of the things, but he usually neglects to mention
that they're mutually exclusive in that you can have one *or* the other
but not both simultaneously, *and* that there is a grand canyon of
difference in the performance spec spread across the model 3 range.
The top of the line AWD dual motor long range "Performance" variant will
hit 100km/h in 4 seconds which fucking fast, but the base model single
motor 2WD will hit the ton in 6 seconds, which is a whole lot less
quick. It's also not cheap, with the "Performance" model costing 80
grand out the door.
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I also note that so far Trev has ignored the link I posted where a
Tesla model S owner talks about his car comparing running cost saving
vs time spent charging, the Tesla was slightly cheaper to run (in the
UK) but if you factor in the time spent charging he didn't think the
savings were really worth much.
I don't think too many people who are prepared to spend 80 grand on a
car the size of a Toyota Corolla are going to be all that concerned
Lying again Darren? Corolla = compact sedan, Tesla Model 3 = mid sized
sedan.
Post by Noddy
about running costs to be honest, and it's more a case of having
something to talk up as there seems to be fuck all else about the things
to get excited about.
Post by Daryl
He also mentioned the appalling build quality, his is an early car and
no doubt they have improved but it was pretty bad and that was coming
from a Ferrari owner who is very used to crap build quality.
The Chinese built ones are apparently a whole lot better than the US
ones, but those I've seen up close have been made in China and the build
Seen parked in the street when you've been driving by.
Post by Noddy
quality didn't strike me as anything fantastic. Not bad, but kind of
late model Ford equivalent. Certainly not as nice as anything Japanese
or Korean, but not anywhere near as bad as anything made by Holden :)
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Clocky
2025-02-09 20:03:20 UTC
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and the fact that he's comparing chalk and cheese
Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
what you're talking about.
That sure is obvious, I've not driven either a late model Camry or a
Model 3 but all reports say they both drive very well, the Camry in
particular is a very good car and there is no doubt that its much
better value for money than any Tesla.
By light-years. The Camry Hybrid is an excellent car, and if I had to
have a sedan then that's what it would be.
Post by Daryl
For some unknown reason Telsa fanboys rant about acceleration when the
reality is that acceleration or 0-100 times are irrelevant in daily
driving, they also ignore the fact that hard acceleration used
frequently dramatically reduces battery range so its nothing more than
a party trick.
Pretty much.
I know Trevor likes to brag about "Ferrari like performance" and
excellent range out of the things, but he usually neglects to mention
that they're mutually exclusive in that you can have one *or* the other
but not both simultaneously, *and* that there is a grand canyon of
difference in the performance spec spread across the model 3 range.
The top of the line AWD dual motor long range "Performance" variant will
hit 100km/h in 4 seconds which fucking fast, but the base model single
motor 2WD will hit the ton in 6 seconds, which is a whole lot less
quick. It's also not cheap, with the "Performance" model costing 80
grand out the door.
Post by Daryl
I also note that so far Trev has ignored the link I posted where a
Tesla model S owner talks about his car comparing running cost saving
vs time spent charging, the Tesla was slightly cheaper to run (in the
UK) but if you factor in the time spent charging he didn't think the
savings were really worth much.
I don't think too many people who are prepared to spend 80 grand on a
car the size of a Toyota Corolla are going to be all that concerned
about running costs to be honest, and it's more a case of having
something to talk up as there seems to be fuck all else about the things
to get excited about.
Post by Daryl
He also mentioned the appalling build quality, his is an early car and
no doubt they have improved but it was pretty bad and that was coming
from a Ferrari owner who is very used to crap build quality.
The Chinese built ones are apparently a whole lot better than the US
ones, but those I've seen up close have been made in China and the build
quality didn't strike me as anything fantastic. Not bad, but kind of
late model Ford equivalent. Certainly not as nice as anything Japanese
or Korean, but not anywhere near as bad as anything made by Holden :)
Proof that I'm living in your head rent free :-)
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2025-02-09 10:37:21 UTC
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Felix, you *really* should just shut up, as you have no fucking idea
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2025-02-07 22:03:35 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased a
(new) Ford Ranger a few years back. He called me, very excitedly, soon
after he bought it, claiming that it was the best thing since sliced
bread. Pat is a bit of a driver. His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which
he spent considerable time and money on. So, the revelation that he
loved the Ranger so much was a bit of a surprise to me.

Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the Ranger
and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all over his
ranger. So, there's that. He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is
cheaper and does everything he wants and more.

FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD as
much as he has.
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2025-02-08 10:15:45 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased a
(new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon
after he bought it, claiming that it was the best thing since sliced
bread. Pat is a bit of a driver. His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which
he spent considerable time and money on. So, the revelation that he
loved the Ranger so much was a bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd be
blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the Ranger
and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all over his
ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of meat.
They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.

However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet to
prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something that
gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories out
there are absolutely shocking :)
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is
cheaper and does everything he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD as
much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.

I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there is
a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from. Some of
it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-09 00:21:38 UTC
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Post by Noddy
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased a
(new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming that
it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a driver.
His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent considerable time and
money on. So, the revelation that he loved the Ranger so much was a
bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd be
blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
**OK.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all over
his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of meat.
They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet to
prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something that
gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories out
there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things. That does not mean all
Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese built Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed together. One of my clients
have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a Chinese built one. The Chinese
one is way better built than the US one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does everything
he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence to
support that claim.

Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD
as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there is
a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from. Some of
it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
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2025-02-09 01:40:35 UTC
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased
a (new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming that
it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a driver.
His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent considerable time
and money on. So, the revelation that he loved the Ranger so much
was a bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd
be blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
**OK.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all
over his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of
meat. They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things.
Trevor likes to keep reminding us of his irrational hatred of MG's, just
because he drove an old model that didn't perform to his high standards

https://mgmotor.com.au/
Post by Trevor Wilson
That does not mean all Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese
built Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed
together. One of my clients have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a
Chinese built one. The Chinese one is way better built than the US one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does
everything he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence
to support that claim.
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD
as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from.
Some of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
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2025-02-09 02:25:10 UTC
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Post by Noddy
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased
a (new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming that
it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a driver.
His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent considerable time
and money on. So, the revelation that he loved the Ranger so much
was a bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd
be blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
**OK.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all
over his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of
meat. They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things.
Trevor likes to keep reminding us of his irrational hatred of MG's, just
because he drove an old model that didn't perform to his high standards
https://mgmotor.com.au/
**Just a reminder: I drove the same roads, at similar times of day a
little earlier in a Suzuki Swift. And yes, the Swift is smaller, but is
also cheaper. It is also a MUCH more satisfying drive, has WAY better
headlights and is vastly more economical. As is my SEVEN YEAR OLD Subaru
Levorg. Despite the fact that my Levorg is almost 300kg lighter than the
MG, it delivers WAY better performance and superior economy. MG has a
long way to go.
Post by MightyMouse
Post by Trevor Wilson
That does not mean all Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese
built Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed
together. One of my clients have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a
Chinese built one. The Chinese one is way better built than the US one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does
everything he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence
to support that claim.
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD
as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from.
Some of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
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2025-02-09 02:55:41 UTC
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Post by Noddy
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in
Australia, it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost
any petrol car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the
Tesla wins comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine
purchased a (new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming
that it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a
driver. His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent
considerable time and money on. So, the revelation that he loved
the Ranger so much was a bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a
few years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period
he'd be blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different
vehicle.
**OK.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all
over his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of
meat. They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are
yet to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found
something that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of
the stories out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things.
Trevor likes to keep reminding us of his irrational hatred of MG's,
just because he drove an old model that didn't perform to his high
standards
https://mgmotor.com.au/
**Just a reminder: I drove the same roads, at similar times of day a
little earlier in a Suzuki Swift. And yes, the Swift is smaller, but
is also cheaper. It is also a MUCH more satisfying drive, has WAY
better headlights and is vastly more economical. As is my SEVEN YEAR
OLD Subaru Levorg. Despite the fact that my Levorg is almost 300kg
lighter than the MG, it delivers WAY better performance and superior
economy. MG has a long way to go.
but that doesn't mean the MG is bad just because other cars are better
in some ways. and you're not comparing current models. the current MG3
for example is much better than the one I owned.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by MightyMouse
Post by Trevor Wilson
That does not mean all Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese
built Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed
together. One of my clients have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and
a Chinese built one. The Chinese one is way better built than the US
one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does
everything he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence
to support that claim.
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact,
cite ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the
BYD as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an
opinion one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k.
It does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k
cheaper. On paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as
there is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought
from. Some of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like
utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
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Noddy
2025-02-09 08:49:41 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things.
Trevor likes to keep reminding us of his irrational hatred of MG's, just
because he drove an old model that didn't perform to his high standards
He doesn't need to remind anyone. Everyone here knows that they're a
cheap-arsed heap of shit that they wouldn't want to own in a pink fit.

Apart from you, that is :)
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2025-02-09 02:02:57 UTC
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Post by Noddy
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased a
(new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming that
it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a driver.
His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent considerable time and
money on. So, the revelation that he loved the Ranger so much was a
bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd be
blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
**OK.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all over
his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of
meat. They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things. That does not mean all
Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese built Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed together. One of my clients
have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a Chinese built one. The Chinese
one is way better built than the US one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does everything
he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence to
support that claim.
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD
as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from. Some
of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
And about as reliable as Sydney apartment block builds.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-17/nsw-macquarie-park-buildings-concrete-collapse-threat/103351328#
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What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia,
it is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol
car. Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins
comprehensively.
According to you. Not everyone agrees.
**Oh and apropro of nothing in particular, a mate of mine purchased a
(new) Ford Ranger a few years back.
I'm happy for him.
Post by Trevor Wilson
He called me, very excitedly, soon after he bought it, claiming that
it was the best thing since sliced bread. Pat is a bit of a driver.
His 'toy' car is an old Audi S4, which he spent considerable time and
money on. So, the revelation that he loved the Ranger so much was a
bit of a surprise to me.
Horses for courses and all that, but depending on how long ago "a few
years back" actually was if he liked the Ranger of that period he'd be
blown away by the current model. They're a *very* different vehicle.
**OK.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Times change. Divorces happen and toys must go. He is selling the
Ranger and buying a BYD. He's driven it and reckons it shits all over
his ranger. So, there's that.
I'm not sure what "that" actually is, but I'm pleased he's found
something he likes. I need a ute, and the BYD ute isn't my cup of
meat. They certainly seem to offer a fair bit for the money though.
**He is not looking at the BYD ute.
Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things. That does not mean all
Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese built Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed together. One of my clients
have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a Chinese built one. The Chinese
one is way better built than the US one.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
He would consider a Tesla, but the BYD is cheaper and does everything
he wants and more.
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence to
support that claim.
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
FWIW: He expressed some surprise that he would enjoy driving the BYD
as much as he has.
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from. Some
of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
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Noddy
2025-02-09 08:47:58 UTC
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However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things. That does not mean all
Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese built Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed together. One of my clients
have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a Chinese built one. The Chinese
one is way better built than the US one.
The Tesla isn't a Chinese car. It's an American car made in China. There
is a world of difference between that and a car made by a wholly owned
Chinese company.

Think Bosch and Ozito. Both make tools in China.
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Post by Noddy
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence to
support that claim.
Just like you have failed to do so in claiming that they're a value for
money buy where nothing comes close.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
I already did. You must have missed it.
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Post by Noddy
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
That's nice.
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Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from. Some
of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
Have you actually *looked* at a Tesla up close? :)
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Trevor Wilson
2025-02-09 20:47:12 UTC
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Post by Noddy
However, they're Chinese and like *all* Chinese vehicles they are yet
to prove themselves over the long haul. I hope he's found something
that gives him years of hassle free motoring, but some of the stories
out there are absolutely shocking :)
**Sure. Like MGs. They are shitful things. That does not mean all
Chinese cars are shit. I've driven a Chinese built Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD and it was very nicely screwed together. One of my clients
have owned a US built Tesla Model 3 and a Chinese built one. The
Chinese one is way better built than the US one.
The Tesla isn't a Chinese car. It's an American car made in China. There
is a world of difference between that and a car made by a wholly owned
Chinese company.
Think Bosch and Ozito. Both make tools in China.
**I own an Ozito rotary hammer drill. I can't break it. I also own a
full suite of Bosch 18V power tools. Every one is a delight to use. I
was disappointed with two of those tools. The 6" circular saw and the
100mm angle grinder. The I started looking at the country of origin of
all the tools. There were:

Rotary hammer drill: Germany
Recipro saw: Hungary
Hammer drill: Malaysia
Rattle gun thingy: Malaysia
Circular saw: China
Angle grinder: China
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Tesla's are *massively* over priced for what they are.
**So you keep saying, but you neglect to provide a shred of evidence
to support that claim.
Just like you have failed to do so in claiming that they're a value for
money buy where nothing comes close.
**I provided a full list of the features and performance of the Tesla
Model 3 Long Range AWD model.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Tell you what: Cite a another EV that has all the features and
performance of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD for $75k. In fact, cite
ANY vehicle that can deliver what the Tesla does.
I already did. You must have missed it.
**I must have. List it again. Once more: The Tesla Model 3 Long Range is
not a people mover. It is a fast, capable SEDAN.
Post by Noddy
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
Without knowing exactly what BYD he has, it's hard to have an opinion
one way or the other.
**He told me but I don't recall, shot of knowing that it cost $65k. It
does everything that the Tesla Model Y RWD does, but $10k cheaper. On
paper.
That's nice.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Noddy
I looked at a few last year when we were buying the Sorento, as there
is a BYD dealer right next door to the Kia dealer we bought from.
Some of it looked kinda okay, and some of it looked like utter crap.
**OK. To my eyes, the Sorento is about attractive as a block of home units.
Have you actually *looked* at a Tesla up close? :)
**Remember? I've driven one. Have you?
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2025-02-07 22:20:41 UTC
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I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it is
cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car. Taking
luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
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2025-02-08 23:26:23 UTC
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I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-
tesla-australia/
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
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2025-02-09 05:08:51 UTC
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Post by Daryl
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars
themselves are the issue but other factors mostly public charging
cost, overall they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to
believe especially if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths
because charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
**Bullshit.
https://solarcalculator.com.au/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-
charge- tesla-australia/
Not only that, but many Tesla charging stations are free for Tesla owners.
What were you saying about reading? "Mates brother in the US....."
**I missed that. However, we are in Australia. And, in Australia, it
is cheaper to run a Tesla (fuel-wise) than almost any petrol car.
Taking luxury, performance and gadgets, the Tesla wins comprehensively.
Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
If you look at the purchase price of the 2 vehicles you compared and
factored that in from an economic point of view the Camry owner would be
ahead financially by a country mile.
Model 3 LR $70,599 drive away, Camry between $44,593-$59181 drive away
so even if you but the top of the range Camry you start with an $11k
price advantage which pays for lots of petrol.
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2025-02-09 08:33:02 UTC
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Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
Where are those free Tesla chargers again?
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2025-02-09 10:40:31 UTC
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Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
Where are those free Tesla chargers again?
Where are all your quals?
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2025-02-09 11:21:47 UTC
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Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long
Range AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when
using the average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on
typical home electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via
free Tesla chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
Where are those free Tesla chargers again?
Where are all your quals?
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2025-02-09 12:43:04 UTC
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Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
Where are those free Tesla chargers again?
Where are all your quals?
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2025-02-09 20:58:04 UTC
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Only of it can be charged at home using off peak or solar.
**Wrong. I posted the figures proving that a Tesla Model 3 Long Range
AWD is cheaper to operate than a Toyota Camry Hybrid, when using the
average public charger. It's even cheaper if charged on typical home
electricity chargers. And WAY cheaper, if charged via free Tesla
chargers and/or via home Solar systems.
Where are those free Tesla chargers again?
**This is the nearest one to me:

https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/service/miranda

12 minutes away.
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2025-02-07 09:06:50 UTC
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**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
I think that its more than that, I don't think that the cars themselves
are the issue but other factors mostly public charging cost, overall
they are not as cheap to run as people were lead to believe especially
if they have to use public chargers.
Mates brother in the US bought a Model 3, sold it after 3mths because
charging it (public chargers) was more expensive than petrol.
And it's going to get worse.

A story on the news tonight is that the government has lost around 4% of
it's consolidated revenue balance due to the public take up of EV's and
the losses in fuel taxes and duties. The tip is for a mileage tax to be
introduced which will make the cost of running an EV more expensive again.

Fun times :)
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Noddy
2025-02-07 09:03:45 UTC
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Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
**Nah, it's the MAGA thing.
Lol :)

The MAGA thing has nothing whatsoever to do with any EV that isn't made
by Tesla :)
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Keithr0
2025-02-06 22:02:24 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
A couple of guys moved in down the street some months ago (Their next
door neighbour told me that he has 2 husbands living on one side and two
wives living on the other). They had a Mercedes, a Lexus, and a
Landcruiser, but walking the dog past last night, I noticed that the
Merc has been replaced with a Tesla.
Daryl
2025-02-07 04:38:29 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
A couple of guys moved in down the street some months ago (Their next
door neighbour told me that he has 2 husbands living on one side and two
wives living on the other). They had a Mercedes, a Lexus, and a
Landcruiser, but walking the dog past last night, I noticed that the
Merc has been replaced with a Tesla.
They are certainly popular amongst gay people:-)
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2025-02-07 09:14:23 UTC
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The novelty is starting to wear off.
A couple of guys moved in down the street some months ago (Their next
door neighbour told me that he has 2 husbands living on one side and two
wives living on the other). They had a Mercedes, a Lexus, and a
Landcruiser, but walking the dog past last night, I noticed that the
Merc has been replaced with a Tesla.
According to various sources, EV Sales are down around 20% on the same
time last year, while conventional ICE sales are up.
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Frank
2025-02-08 02:22:23 UTC
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The novelty is starting to wear off.
A couple of guys moved in down the street some months ago (Their next
door neighbour told me that he has 2 husbands living on one side and
two wives living on the other). They had a Mercedes, a Lexus, and a
Landcruiser, but walking the dog past last night, I noticed that the
Merc has been replaced with a Tesla.
According to various sources, EV Sales are down around 20% on the same
time last year, while conventional ICE sales are up.
Cite please!


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2025-02-08 23:43:46 UTC
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The novelty is starting to wear off.
A couple of guys moved in down the street some months ago (Their next
door neighbour told me that he has 2 husbands living on one side and
two wives living on the other). They had a Mercedes, a Lexus, and a
Landcruiser, but walking the dog past last night, I noticed that the
Merc has been replaced with a Tesla.
According to various sources, EV Sales are down around 20% on the same
time last year, while conventional ICE sales are up.
What "various sources"?

It could be true but since you're a habitual liar so you're going to
have to cite your sources for that information.
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2025-02-06 23:16:27 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim. (I suspect a partially read anti-ev piece from a biased
site like 'Drive')

https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn



alvey
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2025-02-07 00:00:01 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim. (I suspect a partially read anti-ev piece from a biased
site like 'Drive')
https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn
More proof (if it was really needed) that Darren is an illiterate clown.
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MightyMouse
2025-02-07 01:33:54 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
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(I suspect a partially read anti-ev piece from a biased site like
'Drive')
https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn
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2025-02-07 01:53:52 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
Errrr #1 The spreadsheet in my link was actually for all months of 2024.

Errrr #2 As Fraudsters claim was *only* pertaining to "EV sales", why
are ICE sales relevant?



alvey
MightyMouse
2025-02-07 02:43:17 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made
out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to
increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact that
Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
Errrr #1 The spreadsheet in my link was actually for all months of 2024.
that was not obvious from the way the browser opened (truncated). but
you're correct
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Errrr #2 As Fraudsters claim was *only* pertaining to "EV sales", why
are ICE sales relevant?
because if ICE sales are increasing relative to EV sales, it supports
his argument. here's a graph of total EV sales from your cite..

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if you ignore Feb/Mar and May/June sales, I suppose you could argue an
upward trend exists
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2025-02-07 02:55:10 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
It *was* a listing of EV sales month to month for a year. No need for
ICE trends, the discussion was about EV sales.
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(I suspect a partially read anti-ev piece from a biased site like
'Drive')
https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn
alvey
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MightyMouse
2025-02-07 08:12:40 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made
out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to
increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact that
Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
It *was* a listing of EV sales month to month for a year. No need for
ICE trends, the discussion was about EV sales.
yes the discussion was about EV sales, but as you well know, discussions
morph, evolve, and diverge. ppl have to drive something, so if they're
not driving EV's, they must be driving ICE's or hybrids. therefore
information about ICE/hybrid sales is entirely relevant, as a upward
trend in sales of those vehicles, combined with a downward trend in EV
sales, would give a strong indication that the love affair with EV's is
waning.
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(I suspect a partially read anti-ev piece from a biased site like
'Drive')
https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn
alvey
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Xeno
2025-02-07 08:38:31 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people
are finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made
out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed.
The real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to
increased competition from companies like BYD and the fact that
Musk is now a fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped
across the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range
anxiety, purchase price and resale value being the main concerns
amongst potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Really?
Here's some stats that contradict your citeless "slumped across the
board" claim.
nup. you'd need a listing of EV and ICE sales month to month for at
least a year to determine a trend
It *was* a listing of EV sales month to month for a year. No need for
ICE trends, the discussion was about EV sales.
yes the discussion was about EV sales, but as you well know, discussions
morph, evolve, and diverge. ppl have to drive something, so if they're
not driving EV's, they must be driving ICE's or hybrids. therefore
True, an EV buyer *was* a potential ICE buyer, and vice versa. Ergo,
total numbers of vehicle sales shouldn't vary all that much, just the
makeup.
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information about ICE/hybrid sales is entirely relevant, as a upward
trend in sales of those vehicles, combined with a downward trend in EV
sales, would give a strong indication that the love affair with EV's is
waning.
Well, the data would suggest any waning in EV sales is miniscule to say
the least. TBH, EV sales over a 2 or 3 year period, or even 5, would be
more telling. As well, one needs to look at extraneous events that can
have a short term effect on EV sales.

Another little factoid that can have an effect, if not now then
definitely in the future, is the sluggish rollout of the support
infrastructure. This is not surprising given what is required in the way
of an electricity supply to feed into a busy 6 bay Tesla Supercharger. I
glance at the local Supercharger regularly and I have seen that rise
from nearly always empty to always well of 50% usage. Even seen 6 out of
6 bays in use at times. Need to remember this is a supercharger so cars
hang around only for an hour usually so throughput would be quite high
especially noting its location midway on the Sydney/Brisbane main
highway. Other charging stations in this district aren't so blessed so I
can personally see charging facilities soon reaching a degree of
saturation. That might put a damper on EV sales soon but I haven't yet
seen it. In fact I see more and more EVs around town, and not just Teslas.
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https://tinyurl.com/4bf5nmyn
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Clocky
2025-02-07 02:43:21 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Sales data proves otherwise.
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Daryl
2025-02-07 04:32:55 UTC
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Not surprised, I wonder if its the Musk/Trump factor or people are
finally realizing that EV's are not as good as they are made out to be.
**Nope. Have you driven a Tesla? I have. They're very good indeed. The
real reason why Tesla sales have plummetted, is due to increased
competition from companies like BYD and the fact that Musk is now a
fully fledged MAGA member.
Do you not read so good? The "Musk factor" is what Daryl said :)
Either way, it's academic as EV Sales in Australia have slumped across
the board in Australia, with consumer concerns about range anxiety,
purchase price and resale value being the main concerns amongst
potential buyers.
The novelty is starting to wear off.
Its not so much the cars themselves that people are getting annoyed with
but charging especially public chargers.
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Noddy
2025-02-06 11:12:39 UTC
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/58-billion-honda-nissan-merger-is-
in-deep-trouble/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/02/tesla-sales-plummet-in-the-uk-
france-and-germany/
Driving up the Bruce on Tuesday, I passed two small car transporters, 3
vehicles each all BYDs. What surprised me was that 4 of the 6 were utes,
I've never seen one on the road.
I expect you will before long. They apparently won Drive's car of the
year award.
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